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Capt.Skyhook
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So because B Shaw wasn't a good head catch he can't recognize when someone is not preparing themselves properly, either mentally or physically?
When does it become DLO's fault that he was a immature kid with a questionable work ethic? Maybe he has grown out of that. But that is who he was as a Laker. It's just interesting that 2 separate coaching staffs felt that way about him, and we never heard those criticisms of Nance, Randle or Clarkson. |
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Runway8
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I think B. Shaw is trash talking, kicking a man while he's done. It's as much a reflection on D'Lo as it is on the coaching staff. How does a coaching staff let a a player bull--- around all the time? If I was the coach, you know what I would have done to make sure the players know it's not acceptable? I would say, "D'Lo go home. Get the eff outta here. Come back when you're ready to work." How does a coaching staff allow someone to mess around all the time? Kick him out, suspend him if it's a big deal.
So either B. Shaw is saying:
A. His staff both Byron and Walton's first year were a bunch of wussies, who don't take charge of their practices.
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B. Like I said, B. Shaw piling on like a lot of people are doing. |
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epak
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I'd only think b. if Shaw knew the mics were on.
Not sure he did. Don't think he would say it publicly. |
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TheBlackMamba
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He's not a Laker anymore. We don't have to find ways to discredit any negative information about him. It's amazing how hard people still defend or criticize him even when he's no longer here nor has any impact on the franchise.
There's a middle ground. How is it so hard to accept that he was a bit immature during his time with us? He was a 19/20-year-old kid, I don't even really blame him or find it to be something I should get terribly upset about. And just like it's completely possible (and likely) that he wasn't the best professional as a Laker, it's also probable that he's matured a little after the trade and will continue to do so because that's the natural process of growing up and becoming an adult. |
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SocalDevin
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| Seems to me like he was a little jerk, that was unprofessional.. But as I stated before, and which was just mentioned.. Why would the coaching staff allow him to show up for practice and half ass it? I just can't understand that. |
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55
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| Runway8 wrote: | I think B. Shaw is trash talking, kicking a man while he's done. It's as much a reflection on D'Lo as it is on the coaching staff. How does a coaching staff let a a player bull--- around all the time? If I was the coach, you know what I would have done to make sure the players know it's not acceptable? I would say, "D'Lo go home. Get the eff outta here. Come back when you're ready to work." How does a coaching staff allow someone to mess around all the time? Kick him out, suspend him if it's a big deal.
So either B. Shaw is saying:
A. His staff both Byron and Walton's first year were a bunch of wussies, who don't take charge of their practices.
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B. Like I said, B. Shaw piling on like a lot of people are doing. |
You're over exaggerating the situation in order to take the blame away from Dlo. It's not like he showed up drunk to practices, he just didn't give 100% effort and was BS'ing around. Teams don't suspend players for not giving their all, but they do bench them which happened twice with this kid. |
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Judah
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| 55 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | I think B. Shaw is trash talking, kicking a man while he's done. It's as much a reflection on D'Lo as it is on the coaching staff. How does a coaching staff let a a player bull--- around all the time? If I was the coach, you know what I would have done to make sure the players know it's not acceptable? I would say, "D'Lo go home. Get the eff outta here. Come back when you're ready to work." How does a coaching staff allow someone to mess around all the time? Kick him out, suspend him if it's a big deal.
So either B. Shaw is saying:
A. His staff both Byron and Walton's first year were a bunch of wussies, who don't take charge of their practices.
or
B. Like I said, B. Shaw piling on like a lot of people are doing. |
You're over exaggerating the situation in order to take the blame away from Dlo. It's not like he showed up drunk to practices, he just didn't give 100% effort and was BS'ing around. Teams don't suspend players for not giving their all, but they do bench them which happened twice with this kid. |
Right  Two different coaching staffs and two different regimes who have all had eerily similar criticisms of him, but, amazingly, it's still everyone else's fault but his. Incredible.
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Runway8
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| 55 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | I think B. Shaw is trash talking, kicking a man while he's done. It's as much a reflection on D'Lo as it is on the coaching staff. How does a coaching staff let a a player bull--- around all the time? If I was the coach, you know what I would have done to make sure the players know it's not acceptable? I would say, "D'Lo go home. Get the eff outta here. Come back when you're ready to work." How does a coaching staff allow someone to mess around all the time? Kick him out, suspend him if it's a big deal.
So either B. Shaw is saying:
A. His staff both Byron and Walton's first year were a bunch of wussies, who don't take charge of their practices.
or
B. Like I said, B. Shaw piling on like a lot of people are doing. |
You're over exaggerating the situation in order to take the blame away from Dlo. It's not like he showed up drunk to practices, he just didn't give 100% effort and was BS'ing around. Teams don't suspend players for not giving their all, but they do bench them which happened twice with this kid. |
Don't get me wrong, the truth is somewhere in the middle. D'Lo was immature, I get that, and he's part to blame. But exaggeration is the correct word. There is exaggeration on the Lakers part too because they need to justify the trade. If Mitch and Jim were here, D'Lo would still be here. So would that make them the first regime in the history of the league to give a 20 year old some rope? Nope. It's the norm. Plenty of immature kids in this league. D'Lo's situation was amplified because of the circumstances around the Lakers. |
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You Look Like AC Green
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| epak wrote: | I'd only think b. if Shaw knew the mics were on.
Not sure he did. Don't think he would say it publicly. |
You don't just casually drop "that guy was (bleep)" to NBA TV when you know the mics are on. He was definitely speaking candidly and unaware the mic was hot.
| Judah wrote: | | Right Two different coaching staffs and two different regimes who have all had eerily similar criticisms of him, but, amazingly, it's still everyone else's fault but his. Incredible. |
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55
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| Runway8 wrote: | | 55 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | I think B. Shaw is trash talking, kicking a man while he's done. It's as much a reflection on D'Lo as it is on the coaching staff. How does a coaching staff let a a player bull--- around all the time? If I was the coach, you know what I would have done to make sure the players know it's not acceptable? I would say, "D'Lo go home. Get the eff outta here. Come back when you're ready to work." How does a coaching staff allow someone to mess around all the time? Kick him out, suspend him if it's a big deal.
So either B. Shaw is saying:
A. His staff both Byron and Walton's first year were a bunch of wussies, who don't take charge of their practices.
or
B. Like I said, B. Shaw piling on like a lot of people are doing. |
You're over exaggerating the situation in order to take the blame away from Dlo. It's not like he showed up drunk to practices, he just didn't give 100% effort and was BS'ing around. Teams don't suspend players for not giving their all, but they do bench them which happened twice with this kid. |
Don't get me wrong, the truth is somewhere in the middle. D'Lo was immature, I get that, and he's part to blame. But exaggeration is the correct word. There is exaggeration on the Lakers part too because they need to justify the trade. If Mitch and Jim were here, D'Lo would still be here. So would that make them the first regime in the history of the league to give a 20 year old some rope? Nope. It's the norm. Plenty of immature kids in this league. D'Lo's situation was amplified because of the circumstances around the Lakers. |
Who do they need to justify the trade to except for the select few who still hold strong feelings for Dlo?
Again, when we start with the "circumstances" it shifts the blame away from the kid. You can look at the other young players who the circumstances didn't affect.
Noticeably, all the "clown" types are gone. This team is built of hard working young guys and we can see the results on the court. Not necessarily by wins but by effort/defense.
Could they have given him more rope? Sure, but he's not in their long term plan. |
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yinoma2001
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Yay the “Stop talking about DLo” folks are again “talking about DLo.”
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Yay the “Stop talking about DLo” folks are again “talking about DLo.” |
I retract my "stop talking about dlo"  |
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55
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Yay the “Stop talking about DLo” folks are again “talking about DLo.” |
For someone who spent so much time praising and defending Dlo (as any good defense attorney would), you don't seem too fond of this topic any longer. How about we let posters discuss whatever it is they want, even if the topic is sensitive to some.
| yinoma2001 wrote: | “Stop talking or bringing up DLO in a Lakers forum.”
(Posts a thread about Dlo in a Lakers forum). |
| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Y’all really need to let him go. (so they tell me). |
| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I just find it hilarious that some of the more ardent “Stop talking about DLo” posters are...always talking about DLo. |
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| 55 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Yay the “Stop talking about DLo” folks are again “talking about DLo.” |
For someone who spent so much time praising and defending Dlo (as any good defense attorney would), you don't seem too fond of this topic any longer. How about we let posters discuss whatever it is they want, even if the topic is sensitive to some.
| yinoma2001 wrote: | “Stop talking or bringing up DLO in a Lakers forum.”
(Posts a thread about Dlo in a Lakers forum). |
| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Y’all really need to let him go. (so they tell me). |
| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I just find it hilarious that some of the more ardent “Stop talking about DLo” posters are...always talking about DLo. |
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You don’t find It asinine and hypocritical for folks who vehemently tell others to stop talking about him to continually talk about him? Be consistent at the least. I swear some of these folks miss Dlo more than I do.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Depends.
Mourning the loss of DLo and wishing he were here vs being glad he's gone.
Hmm. |
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