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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:16 am Post subject: Why is San Antonio considered a small market but Boston and DC are not?
San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US whereas DC is 21st and Boston is 22nd. Nobody ever refers to Boston and DC as small markets.
I even hear people refer to Houston, the 4th largest city in the US, as a small market too. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
And that is a key component. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
yeah, in regards to sports and entertainment.....it is all about the TV market. City lines can be redrawn to manipulate population count, but TV market is pretty accurate/consistent.
For example...Jacksonville is considered the largest city in Florida by population....almost twice that of Miami. If anyone has been to Jacksonville, they know it is actually a fairly small city from the "eye test", while Miami actually appears to be a major US city. Years ago, the City of Jacksonville and Duval County merged for government service efficiencies, etc....so now Jacksonville city limits extends throughout the entirety of Duval County, and Jacksonville is largest city by area in the contiguous United States.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:41 am Post subject:
That makes sense. I guess it's not just Boston that supports the Celtics, but likely all of New England as well. (Since I don't think New England has any other NBA teams.) It never occurred to me that people in Connecticut and Rhode Island are likely also Celtics fans until just now. Just never thought about it. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
That makes sense. I guess it's not just Boston that supports the Celtics, but likely all of New England as well. (Since I don't think New England has any other NBA teams.) It never occurred to me that people in Connecticut and Rhode Island are likely also Celtics fans until just now. Just never thought about it.
If you live in Rhode Island, you might be closer to the Celtics arena than someone who lives in San Bernadino is to Staples.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:01 pm Post subject:
activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
That makes sense. I guess it's not just Boston that supports the Celtics, but likely all of New England as well. (Since I don't think New England has any other NBA teams.) It never occurred to me that people in Connecticut and Rhode Island are likely also Celtics fans until just now. Just never thought about it.
If you live in Rhode Island, you might be closer to the Celtics arena than someone who lives in San Bernadino is to Staples.
Yeah. I think San Antonio in particular is affected by the fact that there are two other major NBA teams in the same state. If the Spurs were the only team in Texas then I guess it would be considered a big market team. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
The actual city of Boston is smaller than Disney World.
Source?
Have you ever been to Boston? Ever walked The Freedom Trail? The downtown area is miniscule compared to any other major city in the country. You wan walk the entire area in less than a day. He doesn't need a source if he's ever been.
To answer your OP - economics and TV market. Both are much healthier than the likes of San Antonio. I would never pay their prices for real estate. But, Boston's economy has been booming for many years with no signs of dying off any time soon.
That makes sense. I guess it's not just Boston that supports the Celtics, but likely all of New England as well. (Since I don't think New England has any other NBA teams.) It never occurred to me that people in Connecticut and Rhode Island are likely also Celtics fans until just now. Just never thought about it.
If you live in Rhode Island, you might be closer to the Celtics arena than someone who lives in San Bernadino is to Staples.
Yeah. I think San Antonio in particular is affected by the fact that there are two other major NBA teams in the same state. If the Spurs were the only team in Texas then I guess it would be considered a big market team.
Not really. If the Kings were the only team in California, they would still be a small market team. Physical distance matters. When I was a kid in Dallas, there was a baseball team in Houston, but most of the baseball fans followed the Yankees or the Cardinals. After the Chaparrals packed up and moved to San Antonio, people like me became fans of the Lakers or some other team.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:50 am Post subject:
Rek wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Shecky wrote:
The actual city of Boston is smaller than Disney World.
Source?
Have you ever been to Boston? Ever walked The Freedom Trail? The downtown area is miniscule compared to any other major city in the country. You wan walk the entire area in less than a day. He doesn't need a source if he's ever been.
To answer your OP - economics and TV market. Both are much healthier than the likes of San Antonio. I would never pay their prices for real estate. But, Boston's economy has been booming for many years with no signs of dying off any time soon.
I've been to Boston several times and while it's very walkable I'm finding it hard to wrap my head around it being smaller than Disney World. Just the drive from Logan to my hotel seems to negate that idea. Unless you just mean downtown Boston by itself (not including the stuff across the bridge or closer to Fenway) in which case yeah it probably is smaller.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:52 pm Post subject:
Is Miami considered a big market? The city itself has less than 500,000 people, but the Miami metro area has ten times as many people, and Miami itself has one of the biggest concentrations of big corporations and large banks in the world. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
Is Miami considered a big market? The city itself has less than 500,000 people, but the Miami metro area has ten times as many people, and Miami itself has one of the biggest concentrations of big corporations and large banks in the world.
Here’s a rough guide to the top media markets. Miami is sort of ... middle tier.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:01 pm Post subject:
San Antonio ranks 25th of the thirty NBA teams in TV market size. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
The actual city of Boston is smaller than Disney World.
Source?
Have you ever been to Boston? Ever walked The Freedom Trail? The downtown area is miniscule compared to any other major city in the country. You wan walk the entire area in less than a day. He doesn't need a source if he's ever been.
To answer your OP - economics and TV market. Both are much healthier than the likes of San Antonio. I would never pay their prices for real estate. But, Boston's economy has been booming for many years with no signs of dying off any time soon.
I've been to Boston several times and while it's very walkable I'm finding it hard to wrap my head around it being smaller than Disney World. Just the drive from Logan to my hotel seems to negate that idea. Unless you just mean downtown Boston by itself (not including the stuff across the bridge or closer to Fenway) in which case yeah it probably is smaller.
Now you have me second guessing myself. I was thinking this only referred to the downtown area - which I think is pretty safe to say is smaller than DW. But, when I look up maps for Boston city limits, I get both versions for just that area as well as ones that cover a lot more ground. I'll back off to neutral on this one since I dunno for sure which was intended..
Is Miami considered a big market? The city itself has less than 500,000 people, but the Miami metro area has ten times as many people, and Miami itself has one of the biggest concentrations of big corporations and large banks in the world.
In some respects, Miami punches above its weight class because of its demographics. There is a lot of wealth there.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:27 am Post subject:
Rek wrote:
Don Draper wrote:
Rek wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Shecky wrote:
The actual city of Boston is smaller than Disney World.
Source?
Have you ever been to Boston? Ever walked The Freedom Trail? The downtown area is miniscule compared to any other major city in the country. You wan walk the entire area in less than a day. He doesn't need a source if he's ever been.
To answer your OP - economics and TV market. Both are much healthier than the likes of San Antonio. I would never pay their prices for real estate. But, Boston's economy has been booming for many years with no signs of dying off any time soon.
I've been to Boston several times and while it's very walkable I'm finding it hard to wrap my head around it being smaller than Disney World. Just the drive from Logan to my hotel seems to negate that idea. Unless you just mean downtown Boston by itself (not including the stuff across the bridge or closer to Fenway) in which case yeah it probably is smaller.
Now you have me second guessing myself. I was thinking this only referred to the downtown area - which I think is pretty safe to say is smaller than DW. But, when I look up maps for Boston city limits, I get both versions for just that area as well as ones that cover a lot more ground. I'll back off to neutral on this one since I dunno for sure which was intended..
Boston has an area of 89.63 square miles, while Disney world is approximately forty, including the nature preserve. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Per a quick google search, Boston is 89.63 square miles, Disney world is 40 square miles.
Here are the designated market area TV household figures the league used in 2011 when implementing the luxury tax plan (in millions of households):
YJN 7.39
NYK 7.39
LAC 5.57
LAL 5.57
CHI 3.49
PHI 2.99
TOR 2.71
DAL 2.57
GSW 2.51
BOS 2.38
WAS 2.36
ATL 2.29
HOU 2.19
DET 1.84
PHO 1.81
MIN 1.72
MIA 1.58
DEN 1.55
CLE 1.51
ORL 1.47
SAC 1.39
POR 1.19
CHA 1.14
IND 1.11
UTA 0.93
MIL 0.91
SAN 0.88
OKC 0.71
MEM 0.67
NOR 0.64
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:38 am Post subject:
not related....but an interesting fact related to sports and population.....on Saturday's when WVU fills up Mountaineer Field / Milan Puskar Stadium (60,000)...the stadium itself could be considered the largest city in the state of WV! No city within state lines exceeds a population of 50,000.
not related....but an interesting fact related to sports and population.....on Saturday's when WVU fills up Mountaineer Field / Milan Puskar Stadium (60,000)...the stadium itself could be considered the largest city in the state of WV! No city within state lines exceeds a population of 50,000.
Thats pretty much the nature of college football....
I'm sure you can find a lot of other big time college football schools which gathers most of the population in-state and treats college football like religion. Most of these places don't have any pro sports teams to root for so college football is a way of life.
The closest pro sports team I can think of that captures that level of fanaticism is the Green Bay Packers.
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