Surprise! Lakers are Winless 0-13 when Trailing after 1st Quarter
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:53 pm    Post subject: Surprise! Lakers are Winless 0-13 when Trailing after 1st Quarter

Seeing how Lakers lately have been having poor 1st quarters, I decided to look at some data and how our starters poor 1st quarter starts have a cause and effect relation to our wins and loses. Well, it seems that having slow 1st quarter starts so far have guaranteed losses and vice-versa:

A) Lakers are 0-13 winless when trailing in the 1st quarter of a game aka a big fat 0% chance of winning so far this season.

B) Lakers have been outscored a total of 104 points in those loses by opposing teams in the 1st quarter; Lakers have been trailing in the 1st quarter by an average of 7.4 points. Ouch!

C) On the opposite side, Lakers are surprisingly 8-1 (89%) when actually ending the 1st quarter with a lead. Basically all our 8 wins came when we were up in the 1st.

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DEN 34-29 L
GSW 30-20 L
LAC 34-32 L
SAC 31-19 L
CHI 23-27 W
DEN 26-32 W
PHX 29-28 L
PHI 29-26 L
PHX 20-21 W
MIL 24-17 L
WAS 37-34 L
BOS 33-16 L
MEM 24-27 W
BKN 29-30 W
POR 41-25 L
DET 22-25 W
UTA 31-16 L
TOR 19-26 L
WAS 18-23 W
NOH 34-22 L
PHO 36-40 W
LAC 27-19 L

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject:

Start Kuzma
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject:

very telling stat

do I think that if kooz and randle were starting that would change everything? no, but I think we would get off to better starts for sure and this stat suggests that might help
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject:

That's a good stat.
Are they also undefeated when leading after 1st?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject:

During the preseason I made a thread that the starting rotations and benched weee so unbalanced. I mean you can clearly see it. Our starters have a hard time scoring and lays an egg for the bench to carry the scoring load. Doesnít make sense Luke.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
That's a good stat.
Are they also undefeated when leading after 1st?


Lakers are a much better 8-1 W/L when leading after the 1st.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject:

Not surprising. Lukeís favorite go to lineup digs too big of holes; itís actually amazing the bench units erease those big deficits.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
Start Kuzma


Lakers need another firepower in there for sure. Only so much you can do with Ingram/KCP taking majority of all the starters shots.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject:

Jordan-esque wrote:
epak wrote:
That's a good stat.
Are they also undefeated when leading after 1st?


Lakers are a much better 8-1 W/L when leading after the 1st.


Nice. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:12 pm    Post subject:

Jordan-esque wrote:
epak wrote:
That's a good stat.
Are they also undefeated when leading after 1st?


Lakers are a much better 8-1 W/L when leading after the 1st.


And we're 8-0 when leading after the 4th.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject:

The God Particle wrote:
Jordan-esque wrote:
epak wrote:
That's a good stat.
Are they also undefeated when leading after 1st?


Lakers are a much better 8-1 W/L when leading after the 1st.


And we're 8-0 when leading after the 4th.


I believe that is correct but I'll have to check
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
The God Particle wrote:
Jordan-esque wrote:
epak wrote:
That's a good stat.
Are they also undefeated when leading after 1st?


Lakers are a much better 8-1 W/L when leading after the 1st.


And we're 8-0 when leading after the 4th.


I believe that is correct but I'll have to check


lol

I guess the point that I was trying to make is that a look at some advanced stats (heck even just +/-) of all Lakers in the 1Q would be telling.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject:

Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:31 pm    Post subject:

this is kind of a fireable stat if it holds up
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:41 pm    Post subject:

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Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:50 pm    Post subject:

change your title to say "after 1st quarter"

you current phrase implies that even if we go down 0-2 after first bucket from other time that we will lose the game.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:57 pm    Post subject:

Great stat mang
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:58 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject:

BigBallerBrand wrote:
change your title to say "after 1st quarter"

you current phrase implies that even if we go down 0-2 after first bucket from other time that we will lose the game.


Yes
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:10 pm    Post subject:

Sure is a good thing that our second most played lineup and our current starting lineup is one that has gigantic issues offensively. =/
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fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


We donít have enough 2 way play to justify nance at starting PF.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:32 pm    Post subject:

Nance is not a starter with the way our roster is setup. He can be like the Roberson of a starting lineup but that's it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject:

fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


Arenít we top 10?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


We donít have enough 2 way play to justify nance at starting PF.


There's an unfounded fear in this forum that we would immediately suck at defense the moment Nance goes to the bench. There is no evidence at least so far that would even suggest that this could happen. We actually climbed to 4th in defensive rating when he was out. Our defensive rating with Kuz in the starting lineup is actually slightly higher than with Nance in there contrary to what people think. And our offensive rating is way way better with Kuz as starting PF.
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