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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject:

Damn. Our starting lineup really sucks.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


We donít have enough 2 way play to justify nance at starting PF.


Or Kuz. The point is that we are still going to lose regardless who starts.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


Arenít we top 10?


Hell no we are 26th allowed in points.
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fontana3d wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


Arenít we top 10?


Hell no we are 26th allowed in points.


that is irrelevant by itself
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject:

3baller wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


We donít have enough 2 way play to justify nance at starting PF.


There's an unfounded fear in this forum that we would immediately suck at defense the moment Nance goes to the bench. There is no evidence at least so far that would even suggest that this could happen. We actually climbed to 4th in defensive rating when he was out. Our defensive rating with Kuz in the starting lineup is actually slightly higher than with Nance in there contrary to what people think. And our offensive rating is way way better with Kuz as starting PF.


Ah no I said that we will suck defensively regardless who starts at PF, and another reason why we lose is that we don't get points in the clutch because we lack a closer.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:01 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


Arenít we top 10?


Hell no we are 26th allowed in points.


that is irrelevant by itself


Then go look up the stat of total defense instead of complaining to me about it.
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fontana3d wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


Arenít we top 10?


Hell no we are 26th allowed in points.


that is irrelevant by itself


Then go look up the stat of total defense instead of complaining to me about it.


8th
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:06 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


Arenít we top 10?


Hell no we are 26th allowed in points.


that is irrelevant by itself


Then go look up the stat of total defense instead of complaining to me about it.


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We would be top 5 if we give up fewer points.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Surprise! Lakers are Winless 0-13 when Trailing after 1st Quarter

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Seeing how Lakers lately have been having poor 1st quarters, I decided to look at some data and how our starters poor 1st quarter starts have a cause and effect relation to our wins and loses. Well, it seems that having slow 1st quarter starts so far have guaranteed losses and vice-versa:

A) Lakers are 0-13 winless when trailing in the 1st quarter of a game aka a big fat 0% chance of winning so far this season.

B) Lakers have been outscored a total of 104 points in those loses by opposing teams in the 1st quarter; Lakers have been trailing in the 1st quarter by an average of 7.4 points. Ouch!

C) On the opposite side, Lakers are surprisingly 8-1 (89%) when actually ending the 1st quarter with a lead. Basically all our 8 wins came when we were up in the 1st.


Access Sportsnet just brought up a similar stat tonight saying that the Lakers have been outscored in the 1st quarter. McGee asked the question if itíll be time for Luke to change the starting line-up. Worthy chimed in saying probably not, not unless Lakers losing streak keeps growing.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject:

3baller wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


We donít have enough 2 way play to justify nance at starting PF.


There's an unfounded fear in this forum that we would immediately suck at defense the moment Nance goes to the bench. There is no evidence at least so far that would even suggest that this could happen.

We actually climbed to 4th in defensive rating when he was out. Our defensive rating with Kuz in the starting lineup is actually slightly higher than with Nance in there contrary to what people think. And our offensive rating is way way better with Kuz as starting PF.




Hereís another one:

Kuzma starting, Lakers are 5-6.

Nance starting, Lakers are 3-8.


People worried about what rank our defensive rating this season will be are hilarious!

Who cares!?

We are -6 games under .500, thatís all the reason you need.

Being in the top 10 in defensive rating means NOTHING when youíre LOSING.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:47 pm    Post subject:

Itís readily apparent that Kuz needs to start. The offensive boost we get is significant, while the defensive drop off is minimal (if any). Itís also better long term as no matter who we get in FA, we will need shooting at that PF spot.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject:

PRLakeShow wrote:
Damn. Our starting lineup really sucks.


It probably doesn't help that they start every game trying to get Brook going and Ball is a ghost, but yeah.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject:

Nash Vegas wrote:
3baller wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


We donít have enough 2 way play to justify nance at starting PF.


There's an unfounded fear in this forum that we would immediately suck at defense the moment Nance goes to the bench. There is no evidence at least so far that would even suggest that this could happen.

We actually climbed to 4th in defensive rating when he was out. Our defensive rating with Kuz in the starting lineup is actually slightly higher than with Nance in there contrary to what people think. And our offensive rating is way way better with Kuz as starting PF.




Hereís another one:

Kuzma starting, Lakers are 5-6.

Nance starting, Lakers are 3-8.


People worried about what rank our defensive rating this season will be are hilarious!

Who cares!?

We are -6 games under .500, thatís all the reason you need.

Being in the top 10 in defensive rating means NOTHING when youíre LOSING.


Our defense was also better with Kuzma and Randle having an increased role instead of Nance.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject:

Nash Vegas wrote:
People worried about what rank our defensive rating this season will be are hilarious!

Who cares!?

We are -6 games under .500, thatís all the reason you need.

Being in the top 10 in defensive rating means NOTHING when youíre LOSING.


It's what's giving them a chance in these games. What's really costing them is the boneheaded mistakes throughout and especially down the stretch.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Nash Vegas wrote:
3baller wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


We donít have enough 2 way play to justify nance at starting PF.


There's an unfounded fear in this forum that we would immediately suck at defense the moment Nance goes to the bench. There is no evidence at least so far that would even suggest that this could happen.

We actually climbed to 4th in defensive rating when he was out. Our defensive rating with Kuz in the starting lineup is actually slightly higher than with Nance in there contrary to what people think. And our offensive rating is way way better with Kuz as starting PF.




Hereís another one:

Kuzma starting, Lakers are 5-6.

Nance starting, Lakers are 3-8.


People worried about what rank our defensive rating this season will be are hilarious!

Who cares!?

We are -6 games under .500, thatís all the reason you need.

Being in the top 10 in defensive rating means NOTHING when youíre LOSING.


Our defense was also better with Kuzma and Randle having an increased role instead of Nance.


Yeah that .5 DRTG really tells the story.

Does anyone want to breakdown the SOS during these spans?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
Start Kuzma

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
MJST wrote:
Nash Vegas wrote:
3baller wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
Start Kuzma. Letís see how Nance comes off the bench. Maybe he can get his offense going against second units. We already know Kuz can get his either way.


Kuz and Jules should be playing most of the minutes. I really like nance but heís a role player at best. Not a starter. With Lonzo/nance we are playing 3 on 5 offensive scoring wise.


Yeah, but defensively we'll still be awful.


We donít have enough 2 way play to justify nance at starting PF.


There's an unfounded fear in this forum that we would immediately suck at defense the moment Nance goes to the bench. There is no evidence at least so far that would even suggest that this could happen.

We actually climbed to 4th in defensive rating when he was out. Our defensive rating with Kuz in the starting lineup is actually slightly higher than with Nance in there contrary to what people think. And our offensive rating is way way better with Kuz as starting PF.




Hereís another one:

Kuzma starting, Lakers are 5-6.

Nance starting, Lakers are 3-8.


People worried about what rank our defensive rating this season will be are hilarious!

Who cares!?

We are -6 games under .500, thatís all the reason you need.

Being in the top 10 in defensive rating means NOTHING when youíre LOSING.


Our defense was also better with Kuzma and Randle having an increased role instead of Nance.


Yeah that .5 DRTG really tells the story.

Does anyone want to breakdown the SOS during these spans?


We had a better record, and were a better offensive and defensive team when Larry wasn't even in the games and Kuzma and Randle got bigger roles.

You can try to diminish it all you want, but the Lakers were a better team when Larry was out than they were with the inflated role Luke gave him.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:58 pm    Post subject:

But those are 13 character building losses...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject:

Lakers are 5-6 when Kuzma had started.

Lakers are now 3-9 when Nance has started.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject:

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Not surprising. Lukeís favorite go to lineup digs too big of holes; itís actually amazing the bench units erease those big deficits.


Doesn't this type of stat or research fall under analytics? Didn't they upgrade that department? Not that any of us here on LG needed an analytics department to tell us we shouldn't LOAD the freaking bench. Luke and his idiotic bench-centric coaching. Been complaining about this ever since he took the helm.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:39 pm    Post subject:

Lakers should hire a real experience coach, and create a new position called the Bench Coach. Luke would probably be thrilled with that demotion.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:44 pm    Post subject:

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LakerSD wrote:
Not surprising. Lukeís favorite go to lineup digs too big of holes; itís actually amazing the bench units erease those big deficits.


Doesn't this type of stat or research fall under analytics? Didn't they upgrade that department? Not that any of us here on LG needed an analytics department to tell us we shouldn't LOAD the freaking bench. Luke and his idiotic bench-centric coaching. Been complaining about this ever since he took the helm.

It does. I always link people to this:
http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30227/carlisle-pushed-all-of-the-right-buttons
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Runway8 wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Not surprising. Lukeís favorite go to lineup digs too big of holes; itís actually amazing the bench units erease those big deficits.


Doesn't this type of stat or research fall under analytics? Didn't they upgrade that department? Not that any of us here on LG needed an analytics department to tell us we shouldn't LOAD the freaking bench. Luke and his idiotic bench-centric coaching. Been complaining about this ever since he took the helm.


yeah we majorly upgraded that department. Luke just doesn't listen. He 'takes into consideration' but ultimately is always going to do what he wants instead of admitting he may be wrong and trying what the data has said to try. Worst thing that could happen in his mind is that he'll be wrong. So we see what he prioritizes.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:01 am    Post subject:

It doesn't matter who starts because Houston will still had kicked our asses anyways.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
very telling stat

do I think that if kooz and randle were starting that would change everything? no, but I think we would get off to better starts for sure and this stat suggests that might help


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