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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:56 am    Post subject:

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I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


no tangible evidence, but my gut leads me to believe they know that Luke is mostly trying to please his bosses.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:56 am    Post subject:

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I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:01 am    Post subject:

Dude this two max player thing better work. JC is arguably our best player. If we get boogie and George though then it would be cool 😀

Boogie
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If we don’t get them though. Oh boy!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:03 am    Post subject:

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Dude this two max player thing better work. JC is arguably our best player. If we get boogie and George though then it would be cool 😀

Boogie
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If we don’t get them though. Oh boy!


Well that's what is going to have to happen JC, and JR are own the chopping block.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:07 am    Post subject:

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adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:10 am    Post subject:

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ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


If it's LeBron then they both have to go. Hell I'll trade them both because after Cousins and George we can use the rest of the money to sign a better piece that fits better.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


Not intimately familiar with our cap situation, but didn’t Maginka say the DLo trade allows us to bring in 2 superstars?

Why would they say that if it doesn’t?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:16 am    Post subject:

fontana3d wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


If it's LeBron then they both have to go. Hell I'll trade them both because after Cousins and George we can use the rest of the money to sign a better piece that fits better.

Nope. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

How much space would they be short of in acquiring James, George, and Randle?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


if you simply stretch Deng ($7.2 Million cap hit), then they would both need to go to sign LBJ and another max....it would require the max players to take a discount, or signing Randle to less than his cap hold first...and that is on top of moving Clarkson for nothing in return, and renouncing/releasing every player that is not under guaranteed contract.

Obviously, if Deng can be moved or bought out for less, that helps.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:22 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


If it's LeBron then they both have to go. Hell I'll trade them both because after Cousins and George we can use the rest of the money to sign a better piece that fits better.

Nope. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

How much space would they be short of in acquiring James, George, and Randle?


If you move Clarkson for nothing in return. Do not pick up options on Bryant, Zubac and Ennis, simply stretch Deng, renounce the cap holds associated with Lopez and KCP to allow them to walk.....then sign PG-13 to a max, and keep Randles cap hold.....I think your about $3-$4 Million short of offering James a max contract.

I would assume Deng would eat a few million to get bought out and released....but even if he ate $6 Million....only saves about $1.2 Million a year.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


Not intimately familiar with our cap situation, but didn’t Maginka say the DLo trade allows us to bring in 2 superstars?

Why would they say that if it doesn’t?

65 mill (George and James)
20 mill (Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Nance, Hart, Bryant, Caruso)
13 mill (Randle caphold)
roughly 100 mill in payroll with a 5 mill room exception to boot.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject:

Awesome! Another rumor to to undermine the confidence and chemistry of a young team. Can only hope this speculation is BS and the FO is re-assuring the players behind the scenes.

Unfortunately it is more likely that Magic will son have an interview hyping the 2 max plan next year to distract the fans and media from this season.

So trading JC opens up more time for who? Ball? Ennis? Ingram at PG again?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


Not intimately familiar with our cap situation, but didn’t Maginka say the DLo trade allows us to bring in 2 superstars?


Why would they say that if it doesn’t?

65 mill (George and James)
20 mill (Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Nance, Hart, Bryant, Caruso)
13 mill (Randle caphold)
roughly 100 mill in payroll with a 5 mill room exception to boot.


Deng?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:28 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


If it's LeBron then they both have to go. Hell I'll trade them both because after Cousins and George we can use the rest of the money to sign a better piece that fits better.

Nope. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

How much space would they be short of in acquiring James, George, and Randle?


If you move Clarkson for nothing in return. Do not pick up options on Bryant, Zubac and Ennis, simply stretch Deng, renounce the cap holds associated with Lopez and KCP to allow them to walk.....then sign PG-13 to a max, and keep Randles cap hold.....I think your about $3-$4 Million short of offering James a max contract.

I would assume Deng would eat a few million to get bought out and released....but even if he ate $6 Million....only saves about $1.2 Million a year.

Stretch Deng? Why?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:28 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


Not intimately familiar with our cap situation, but didn’t Maginka say the DLo trade allows us to bring in 2 superstars?


Why would they say that if it doesn’t?

65 mill (George and James)
20 mill (Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Nance, Hart, Bryant, Caruso)
13 mill (Randle caphold)
roughly 100 mill in payroll with a 5 mill room exception to boot.


Deng?

Traded.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject:

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Stretch Deng? Why?


cause he has an $18 Million cap hit
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


Not intimately familiar with our cap situation, but didn’t Maginka say the DLo trade allows us to bring in 2 superstars?


Why would they say that if it doesn’t?

65 mill (George and James)
20 mill (Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Nance, Hart, Bryant, Caruso)
13 mill (Randle caphold)
roughly 100 mill in payroll with a 5 mill room exception to boot.


Deng?

Traded.



sorry.... ....
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:31 am    Post subject:

fwiw, I assume guys like Bryant and Caruso can simply be waived and resigned to minimum exception deals if no other team offered them more.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:31 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


Well heres the thing Randle and Clarkson has to go if the Lakers want 2 max slots open, and Deng too.

Not true. Randle or Clarkson.


Not intimately familiar with our cap situation, but didn’t Maginka say the DLo trade allows us to bring in 2 superstars?


Why would they say that if it doesn’t?

65 mill (George and James)
20 mill (Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Nance, Hart, Bryant, Caruso)
13 mill (Randle caphold)
roughly 100 mill in payroll with a 5 mill room exception to boot.


Deng?

Traded.



sorry.... ....

Yeah, you obviously have a mental wall erected in your mind’s eye.

When you want to get rid of a player, you CAN trade him to accomplish said end.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:34 am    Post subject:

Why is it a foregone conclusion that Deng cannot be traded?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:34 am    Post subject:

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Yeah, you obviously have a mental wall erected in your mind’s eye.

When you want to get rid of a player, you CAN trade him to accomplish said end.


tried to be clear I was just giving you a hard time....if I failed....that was the goal. so what do you think it would take to move Deng without nothing coming back?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject:

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Yeah, you obviously have a mental wall erected in your mind’s eye.

When you want to get rid of a player, you CAN trade him to accomplish said end.


tried to be clear I was just giving you a hard time....if I failed....that was the goal. so what do you think it would take to move Deng without nothing coming back?

Multiple drat picks.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:37 am    Post subject:

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I think JC and Randle would welcome a trade. If I was either of them, I would want far away from this FO and coaching staff.


Don’t think they’d welcome a trade. Think they’d welcome the trade of our coach more.


no tangible evidence, but my gut leads me to believe they know that Luke is mostly trying to please his bosses.


Thank goodness your gut is wrong about them having ill feelings towards the FO.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:41 am    Post subject:

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Joe Pesci wrote:
Yeah, you obviously have a mental wall erected in your mind’s eye.

When you want to get rid of a player, you CAN trade him to accomplish said end.


tried to be clear I was just giving you a hard time....if I failed....that was the goal. so what do you think it would take to move Deng without nothing coming back?

Multiple drat picks.


maybe, but I do not agree....GM's knowing your moving him to sign 2 max players are not going to eat that salary for what them would be expected to be late (20-30) 2019 1st and a late (20-30) 2021 1st. Then on top of that, it would have to be a team that has enough unwanted expiring salary. I do not think that situation currently exists. If they truly want to move Deng, I expect they will have to part with Ball, Kuzma or Ingram. Those late 1st are not very valuable.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:43 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
Yeah, you obviously have a mental wall erected in your mind’s eye.

When you want to get rid of a player, you CAN trade him to accomplish said end.


tried to be clear I was just giving you a hard time....if I failed....that was the goal. so what do you think it would take to move Deng without nothing coming back?

Multiple drat picks.


maybe, but I do not agree....GM's knowing your moving him to sign 2 max players are not going to eat that salary for what them would be expected to be late (20-30) 2019 1st and a late (20-30) 2021 1st. Then on top of that, it would have to be a team that has enough unwanted expiring salary. I do not think that situation currently exists. If they truly want to move Deng, I expect they will have to part with Ball, Kuzma or Ingram. Those late 1st are not very valuable.

So right, then so wrong here.
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