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| I guess it's a bust. 2 weeks in, at $600M in revenue. Those alt-righters sure put a number over on Disney. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Cochese wrote: |
Totally agree about Snoke and Phasma. Complete waste. |
I wonder if the original trilogy came out in the internet age how people would have responded to it. Would Boba Fett have been considered a waste? How much did we know about the Emperor at the end of ROTJ? |
Fett and Palpatine were non-derivative OT brainchildren whose purposes and and relationships to the mains were expressed even without extensive character exposition and screen time. They have a ton of visual/aesthetic appeal which was no accident. Same thing goes for Darth Maul. If released today, of course there'd be some nitpickers. But Phasma is a chrome-suited Stormtrooper. Stormtroopers are a joke...they're inept, they're comical, they're bungling, they're disposable, so there is a definite ceiling for coolness for any character that comes from a Stormtrooper stock. If the idea was that Phasma was to have an on-screen effect similar to Boba Fett's, that is tangible lost ground for the franchise. Like when Jack in the Box went from sesame seed to split-top buns, except 100x worse. To seal the deal on the character's built-in weaknesses, they didn't give her a real investment in the story, her performance was token, and her role wasn't menacing at all. But, hey, they painted her suit chrome and gave her a cape! RIP
Say what you will about McDiarmid's acting ability but he delivered the (bleep) out of the Emperor in the OT, so his performance was memorable if nothing else. Snoke is a somewhat lazy Palpatine offshoot, but despite that, his backstory was one of the 2 or 3 intriguing elements built into the arc. And, as bad cover bands do, they butchered a standard.
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Cochese wrote: |
Totally agree about Snoke and Phasma. Complete waste. |
I wonder if the original trilogy came out in the internet age how people would have responded to it. Would Boba Fett have been considered a waste? How much did we know about the Emperor at the end of ROTJ? |
Fett and Palpatine were non-derivative OT brainchildren whose purposes and and relationships to the mains were expressed even without extensive character exposition and screen time. They have a ton of visual/aesthetic appeal which was no accident. Same thing goes for Darth Maul. If released today, of course there'd be some nitpickers. But Phasma is a chrome-suited Stormtrooper. Stormtroopers are a joke...they're inept, they're comical, they're bungling, they're disposable, so there is a definite ceiling for coolness for any character that comes from a Stormtrooper stock. If the idea was that Phasma was to have an on-screen effect similar to Boba Fett's, that is tangible lost ground for the franchise. Like when Jack in the Box went from sesame seed to split-top buns, except 100x worse. To seal the deal on the character's built-in weaknesses, they didn't give her a real investment in the story, her performance was token, and her role wasn't menacing at all. But, hey, they painted her suit chrome and gave her a cape! RIP
Say what you will about McDiarmid's acting ability but he delivered the (bleep) out of the Emperor in the OT, so his performance was memorable if nothing else. Snoke is a somewhat lazy Palpatine offshoot, but despite that, his backstory was one of the 2 or 3 intriguing elements built into the arc. And, as bad cover bands do, they butchered a standard. |
As a total non-SW die hard, am I supposed to know who Phasma was? She just seemed like some random antagonist who showed up out of nowhere. One of the many reasons Finn's story sucked. Maybe she was introduced in TFA and I forgot? |
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Yeah, she was in TFA, although it wasn't a big part, like this one. |
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As a total non-SW die hard, am I supposed to know who Phasma was? She just seemed like some random antagonist who showed up out of nowhere. One of the many reasons Finn's story sucked. Maybe she was introduced in TFA and I forgot? |
Nobody knows who Phasma was because she wasn't really a character...more like a prop.
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Cochese wrote: |
Totally agree about Snoke and Phasma. Complete waste. |
I wonder if the original trilogy came out in the internet age how people would have responded to it. Would Boba Fett have been considered a waste? How much did we know about the Emperor at the end of ROTJ? |
Fett and Palpatine were non-derivative OT brainchildren whose purposes and and relationships to the mains were expressed even without extensive character exposition and screen time. They have a ton of visual/aesthetic appeal which was no accident. Same thing goes for Darth Maul. If released today, of course there'd be some nitpickers. But Phasma is a chrome-suited Stormtrooper. Stormtroopers are a joke...they're inept, they're comical, they're bungling, they're disposable, so there is a definite ceiling for coolness for any character that comes from a Stormtrooper stock. If the idea was that Phasma was to have an on-screen effect similar to Boba Fett's, that is tangible lost ground for the franchise. Like when Jack in the Box went from sesame seed to split-top buns, except 100x worse. To seal the deal on the character's built-in weaknesses, they didn't give her a real investment in the story, her performance was token, and her role wasn't menacing at all. But, hey, they painted her suit chrome and gave her a cape! RIP
Say what you will about McDiarmid's acting ability but he delivered the (bleep) out of the Emperor in the OT, so his performance was memorable if nothing else. Snoke is a somewhat lazy Palpatine offshoot, but despite that, his backstory was one of the 2 or 3 intriguing elements built into the arc. And, as bad cover bands do, they butchered a standard. |
It's cool if it didn't work for you. Ya like what ya like. I do think Star Wars has always been populated with characters that operate on the periphery. The OT was no different in this regard, and they didn't make a full meal out of every character either.
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**Spoiler talk below**
I like what they did with Rey's lineage. She's what Luke Skywalker could've (and maybe should've) been. In the original Star Wars movie. Luke started off as an insignificant dot in the universe. He was a random farmer kid on a small desert planet. And by the end of the movie he was a hero of the rebellion. A nobody, from nowhere turned into one of the most important people in the galaxy.
Sure in retrospect, Luke's lineage was a fantastic plot device for the trilogy as a whole. But the original trilogy kinda abandoned their initial message. It went from "anybody can be a hero" to "you are born a hero".
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Gosh, people are so divisive nowadays. If you like the movie, you're a SJW, if you don't you're a alt-right Trump voter. This silly back-and-forth started with politics and has expanded to sour everything in our culture.
Good or bad, it's really nice to have all these Star Wars films coming out as an alternative to the over-saturation of comic book heroes in spandex these last ten years.
I'll watch Last Jedi when it hits bluray. I just can't sit in a movie theater for three hours anymore. I don't even like sitting down for three hours to watch a Lakers game anymore.
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Just saw the movie and not sure where I stand on it yet, definitely negative but not sure how negative
The biggest problem with the new trilogy is that it just lacks ingenuity and creativity. Sure george lucas had his problems but at least what he made had some ingenuity.
The most original and interesting parts in this movie were things we saw for maybe 10 seconds. The weird cow creatures, the inside of the crystal cave.
But there was just so much wrong with the movie. And so many reasons why it's not star wars. The entire casino arc is the worst in the entire franchise. They forget what universe they're in. It's not earth, it's the star wars universe. What george lucas did with Coruscant at least still felt like it was alien, and because of that it was interesting. In this movie we have this bland casino, coupled with the most generic "rich people profit from war" background story. It was completely out of universe. You can't just film a las vegas casino, put a couple of people in alien costumes in the background and call it star was. That's not star wars. What the heck.
And the lightsaber combat in this movie was rey and kylo ren against a bunch of samurai 
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this is amazing 
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TFA and TLJ felt like they were written and directed by fans. Not creative minds ingrained in the universe. What someone like you or me would write in the time between releases because we think they're taking too long making new movies. Fan fiction.
They suffer from the same thing Marvel movies suffer from. Sure you laugh and have a good time in the theater, and probably leave thinking you just saw a good movie. But then if you manage or care to think about it after the fact, your opinion of the movie slowly but surely goes down. You think of the forced, misplaced humor. You think of the lack of sense to the plot. You think of what could've been if they were focused more on making a fine film and not following a box office gold formula. Make em laugh, don't get too serious(and if it's getting too serious, throw a joke in there), meaningless action, entertainment at the expense of quality, poor villain. All these things plague Marvel movies, and you can see how Disney has found its way to Star Wars too.
You just wish they would take a chance.
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from reddit
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| It is the Iron Man 3 of the Star Wars movies. |
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This movie exceeded my expectations. These films are so much better than the second trilogy that it isn’t funny.
I was not happy with the Luke Skywalker narrative. I agree with Hamill on that score. I liked Rose, but I thought her plot line was a waste. I wanted more from Phasma. I was trying to decide whether the Del Toro character was going to be Lando Calrissian or Boba Fett, and it isn’t clear which he was. The Laura Dern character was wasted, as was the chick with the huge nose.
But despite all of those gripes, I thought it was a great film. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Cochese wrote: |
Totally agree about Snoke and Phasma. Complete waste. |
I wonder if the original trilogy came out in the internet age how people would have responded to it. Would Boba Fett have been considered a waste? How much did we know about the Emperor at the end of ROTJ? |
Fett and Palpatine were non-derivative OT brainchildren whose purposes and and relationships to the mains were expressed even without extensive character exposition and screen time. They have a ton of visual/aesthetic appeal which was no accident. Same thing goes for Darth Maul. If released today, of course there'd be some nitpickers. But Phasma is a chrome-suited Stormtrooper. Stormtroopers are a joke...they're inept, they're comical, they're bungling, they're disposable, so there is a definite ceiling for coolness for any character that comes from a Stormtrooper stock. If the idea was that Phasma was to have an on-screen effect similar to Boba Fett's, that is tangible lost ground for the franchise. Like when Jack in the Box went from sesame seed to split-top buns, except 100x worse. To seal the deal on the character's built-in weaknesses, they didn't give her a real investment in the story, her performance was token, and her role wasn't menacing at all. But, hey, they painted her suit chrome and gave her a cape! RIP
Say what you will about McDiarmid's acting ability but he delivered the (bleep) out of the Emperor in the OT, so his performance was memorable if nothing else. Snoke is a somewhat lazy Palpatine offshoot, but despite that, his backstory was one of the 2 or 3 intriguing elements built into the arc. And, as bad cover bands do, they butchered a standard. |
It's cool if it didn't work for you. Ya like what ya like. I do think Star Wars has always been populated with characters that operate on the periphery. The OT was no different in this regard, and they didn't make a full meal out of every character either. |
I appreciate your perspective and am happy you and others enjoyed it.
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| Chronicle wrote: | from reddit
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | This movie exceeded my expectations. These films are so much better than the second trilogy that it isn’t funny.
I was not happy with the Luke Skywalker narrative. I agree with Hamill on that score. I liked Rose, but I thought her plot line was a waste. I wanted more from Phasma. I was trying to decide whether the Del Toro character was going to be Lando Calrissian or Boba Fett, and it isn’t clear which he was. The Laura Dern character was wasted, as was the chick with the huge nose.
But despite all of those gripes, I thought it was a great film. |
Didn't realize Hamill disliked the narrative. Curious he sees that inherent optimism as unyielding. That was definitely my favorite part of the movie, but I admittedly didn't have a strong attachment to Luke Skywalker as a character. |
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| tox wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | This movie exceeded my expectations. These films are so much better than the second trilogy that it isn’t funny.
I was not happy with the Luke Skywalker narrative. I agree with Hamill on that score. I liked Rose, but I thought her plot line was a waste. I wanted more from Phasma. I was trying to decide whether the Del Toro character was going to be Lando Calrissian or Boba Fett, and it isn’t clear which he was. The Laura Dern character was wasted, as was the chick with the huge nose.
But despite all of those gripes, I thought it was a great film. |
Didn't realize Hamill disliked the narrative. Curious he sees that inherent optimism as unyielding. That was definitely my favorite part of the movie, but I admittedly didn't have a strong attachment to Luke Skywalker as a character. |
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-hamill-last-jedi-luke-skywalker_us_5a3cf644e4b025f99e16864d
In my words (not his), I didn't care for Luke Skywalker as something of an anti-hero. But, as Hamill says, it's just a movie. What you see in discussions like this is that a lot of people have trouble accepting that the movie makers are not making the movie that they, personally, wanted. This comes up with Star Wars, Star Trek, and some of the comic book movies. I can list things that I didn't like, but I still enjoyed the movie. This was not my personal vision of an aging Luke Skywalker, but I got over it. |
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| GonzagaAlum wrote: | Spoilers
You fix the entire movie if you do two things.
Force an editor to shorten the Finn storyline at least by ten minutes.
Second and this one is unforgivable. Leave Leah on the dang starship and have her hit that puppy at hyper speed. An epic death and then movie 8 becomes how both Skywalkers die in order to save the rebellion. |
This was literally the first thing I said to my family when we left the theater.
Not only would it have worked perfectly in the storyline, but it was a ridiculously easy out following Carrie Fisher’s death. I can’t beleive they didn’t take it. |
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| Hammett wrote: | | Good or bad, it's really nice to have all these Star Wars films coming out as an alternative to the over-saturation of comic book heroes in spandex these last ten years. |
This film was basically a marvel movie with a star wars theme
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| Jus saw it. I give it a 6/10. The last 1/4 of the movie was eh. |
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