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Would you trade LO for Rashard Lewis? |
Yes: Lewis is the STRONG second scoring option and consistent 3 point shooter who will make the difference for the Lakers |
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No: LO's all around game, especially his role as point-forward, distributor, and main rebounder are too important to give up |
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cooguh Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: [POLL] LO or Rashard Lewis? |
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Our most enticing trade pieces (besides Kobe) are LO and Bynum. Bynum has shown too many positive flashes of potential, that giving up on him now could be giving up our future. Odom, while vital to this team, has never lived up to the potential everyone thought he had. He hasn't grown much as a laker, and considering this unproductive season (for both, Lamar, as well as the team), it may be time to make a "big" change.
Do you think the sharp-shooting, Sonic's co-captain, Rashard Lewis would be a good trade for Odom? His name has been thrown around today in trade rumors.
What other contracts would be necessary to make this move possible? |
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DocK36 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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At this point why not. I would say a trade of LO plus others for Lewis and Danny Fortson would be interesting. Lewis will bring the consisitant scoring and Fortson, for all his fault, is a very good rebounder, which is something we need once we get rid of LO and his 10 rpg. _________________ Ringo "You retired too?"
Doc "Not me, I'm in my prime." |
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loyola66 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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omfg no...
Seriously getting rashad would be nice, but not worth it if we gave up odom, let's face it: lamar is an inconsistent 2nd option, our goal should be to accept him as a consistent 3RD OPTION, which i think is reasonable, and id like to see him have more time develop his "facilator role"
repeat after me: if you wanna improve this yr, you improve the perimeter d...not by getting more points... |
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KobeButler Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Why do you guys keep suggesting people who arent even on the trading block? Sonics have no reason to trade Lewis atleast right now. Seattle fans would rather trade Ray Allen bfore they trade Lewis. _________________ Pain is temporary, at the end of pain is success... |
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Charles Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Lamar Odom won't be traded. |
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RG73 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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KobeButler wrote: | Why do you guys keep suggesting people who arent even on the trading block? Sonics have no reason to trade Lewis atleast right now. Seattle fans would rather trade Ray Allen bfore they trade Lewis. |
Ummm, Lewis was quoted today as saying that he believes he and/or Allen are on the trading block and that he wouldn't at all be surprised if he were traded soon.
He also, coincidentally, played a stinker of a game tonight.
So if the guy thinks he's on the block, he may well be onto something. |
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Michlake Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'll take Lewis over Odom for this Laker team. Lewis game fits better with Kobe's game. Odom not having a jump shot kills the lake show. |
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tgf5 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Michlake wrote: | I'll take Lewis over Odom for this Laker team. Lewis game fits better with Kobe's game. Odom not having a jump shot kills the lake show. |
Just what we need. More jumpshots and 3s. |
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daniel80111 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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tgf5 wrote: | Michlake wrote: | I'll take Lewis over Odom for this Laker team. Lewis game fits better with Kobe's game. Odom not having a jump shot kills the lake show. |
Just what we need. More jumpshots and 3s. |
No what we need is a second option and also another post prescence...RLew gives us that. A better shooter and better post player than LO would help this team a lot. Another guy that you can't double off. Then we'd have 2 of them, Lewis and Cook, talk about spreading the floor. |
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shnjb Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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tgf5 wrote: | Michlake wrote: | I'll take Lewis over Odom for this Laker team. Lewis game fits better with Kobe's game. Odom not having a jump shot kills the lake show. |
Just what we need. More jumpshots and 3s. |
Yes.
More makes; not attempts.
That's what Lewis would bring. |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Odom = bad 2nd option.
Odom = good 3rd option.
Lews = good 3rd option.
If we move Odom, it should be for a legit 2nd-option.
Otherwise, over the next year or two round out the roster with a couple
of bargain shooters and a 2nd-option - giving us more time if we do move
LO to make a better choice, or to simply bring in a 2nd option while
keeping Lamar. |
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daniel80111 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: |
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sodapoppenski wrote: | Odom = bad 2nd option.
Odom = good 3rd option.
Lews = good 3rd option.
If we move Odom, it should be for a legit 2nd-option.
Otherwise, over the next year or two round out the roster with a couple
of bargain shooters and a 2nd-option - giving us more time if we do move
LO to make a better choice, or to simply bring in a 2nd option while
keeping Lamar. |
What do you think of Lews as a second option then? |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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daniel80111 wrote: | sodapoppenski wrote: | Odom = bad 2nd option.
Odom = good 3rd option.
Lews = good 3rd option.
If we move Odom, it should be for a legit 2nd-option.
Otherwise, over the next year or two round out the roster with a couple
of bargain shooters and a 2nd-option - giving us more time if we do move
LO to make a better choice, or to simply bring in a 2nd option while
keeping Lamar. |
What do you think of Lews as a second option then? |
Was that not implicit enough for ya? |
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daniel80111 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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My bad...my brain is fried from reading about the economies of the middle east...PH D's are a bizznitch |
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Smel Counts Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: |
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IMO Lewis is a second option. He's an aggressive scorer who can spread the defense. We need true shooters. I'd rather take Ray Allen for Odom and filler picks for the same reasons (Move Kobe to SF). Our offense improves exponentially w/ every shooter/scorer we have on the floor.
Odom is a third option but he gets paid like a first option. This can't be worked around. He MUST go because of his salary/inadequacies.
And don't give me the rebounding argument. Jamal Sampson gets 24 rebounds/48 minutes. His ass barely sees the floor. Anybody can rebound, not everyone can score/shoot. |
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tgf5 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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I honestly think we can package a better deal than for Lewis with Odom even though Odom stinks lately. If people watch Seattle games, you would know that Lewis has inconsistent nights too where his shots just aren't there. Lewis is also a very weak rebounder at 6-10 with only 5.5rpg and from seeing games like tonight, rebounding can sometimes be a serious issue. Lewis also is also not a very good defender, also another serious issue. |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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daniel80111 wrote: | My bad...my brain is fried from reading about the economies of the middle east...PH D's are a bizznitch |
Haha I feel ya. I'm only working on a bachelors right now and that's
frying mine pretty good too |
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KA_2 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Yes, move Odom for Lewis. Better contract, vastly superior shooter. Better and certainly more consistent scorer. Lakers will need to pick up another big to make up for the boards they'd miss with Odom's absense, and they'd need to pick up a guard that can handle the rock and dish. Too bad Profit is gone, he was a real good distributor and passer. I would have loved to have seen him start in the backcourt at PG with Kobe at SG, have Lewis on the wings hitting open jumpers. That would be a much better team. Defense would be better too, though not by much.
Never underestimate the value of a money shooter in spreading defenses for a dominant scorer like Kobe Bryant. _________________ Westside |
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Drifts Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Lewis as 2nd option is better than Lamar as 3rd option.
That said, I'd take Lewis to go with a true point. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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venicebeach Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:35 am Post subject: |
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I think Lewis is better than Lamar for the second option but in TPO Lamar is better than Lewis |
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LakersInFour Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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I'm not in favor of trading Odom at this moment, but I'd like to enter the discussion the point of his rebounds. I don't really think that we'd lose too much in terms of rebounding if we traded Odom. Kwame and Mihm and very capable rebounders, and Odom gets a lot of rebounds because he crashes the boards.
IMHO, he would be much more valuable to the team if he thought less about crashing the boards for defensive rebounds. Mihm and Brown can clean up the boards, and Odom should be more concerned with getting the offense into transition, or semi-transition. I think Mihm would easily average close to 10 boards a game if Odom wasn't crashing the defensive glass all the time. And Odom is pretty useless as an offensive rebounder. _________________ "It’s like going to the Getty and standing in front of Van Gogh’s Irises while some schmuck next to you critiques individual brush strokes. Just shut up already. The more you talk, the more you embarrass yourself." |
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RG73 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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sodapoppenski wrote: | Odom = bad 2nd option.
Odom = good 3rd option.
Lews = good 3rd option.
If we move Odom, it should be for a legit 2nd-option.
Otherwise, over the next year or two round out the roster with a couple
of bargain shooters and a 2nd-option - giving us more time if we do move
LO to make a better choice, or to simply bring in a 2nd option while
keeping Lamar. |
Lewis, 17th in the league in scoring at 21.3 on 15.3 shots. Plays with a guy named Ray Allen who averages 24.8 points per game. I dunno, but that looks like a 2nd option to me. Almost every guy ahead of Lewis in scoring is an All-star. Scores more than Marion, Duncan, Gasol, Bibby, Joe Johnson, Jamison, Webber, Ricky Davis, Richard Jefferson, Nash, Billups, Tony Parker, Baron Davis, etc. See where I'm going with this?
I'm not sure who/what you consider a real second option but Lewis is obviously among the best scorers in the game. |
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Sage_10 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:33 am Post subject: |
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I think we give up too much with Odom. One of his functions is to get others involved. I don't really see Rashard doing that consistently. I'll take Lamar over Rashard. |
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Sage_10 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I think we give up too much with Odom. One of his functions is to get others involved. I don't really see Rashard doing that consistently. I'll take Lamar over Rashard. |
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RG73 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Sage_10 wrote: | I think we give up too much with Odom. One of his functions is to get others involved. I don't really see Rashard doing that consistently. I'll take Lamar over Rashard. |
But he doesn't get others involved--or at least not consistently.
This month: 2, 7, 2, 7, 8, 3. Meanwhile, Kobe has been having to focus more and more on getting people involved because Lamar isn't doing it consistently enough.
But this is a typical reason for not wanting to trade Lamar. Oh, but how do we replace his rebounding? Oh, but how do we replace his assists?
You don't do everything in one move. Lewis addresses two needs--consistent #2 option, and consistent outside shooting. Then you worry about a point guard. And then you worry about rebounding.
The perception around here sometimes is that Lamar is Oscar Robertson--that he's doing everything out on the court and so he can't be moved because he does so many things. But he's not. He's not even Fat Lever. If we were talking about a guy like that, sure. If we were talking Jason Kidd, yeah. But we're not.
So instead of having the skill sets of several positions roled into one mediocre package, we can actually get specialists, like most normal teams do successfully, and build a normal team on normal skill sets--scoring and outside shooting from the 2 and 3, running the offense from the 1, rebounding from the 4 and 5.
Lewis would be the first step towards building a normal, balanced team. |
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