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RestEasyBlackMamba
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| I can’t wait till he says he should be the coach. |
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2019
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Lavar is the only one with balls to stop tip toeing around the issue. Hes statng the obvious. There is no life in their play as a team. They’ve quit. Lukes been getting a free pass since he’s been here simply because he’s young. |
Serious question.. what did you expect from this roster? Before the season, we didn't even know we had our best player in Kuzma.
The roster is absolutely trash and Magic and Rob did terrible job putting help around these kids.
Tyreke Evans, Jarrett Jack, Vince Carter, Jeff Green, Ilyasova, Aaron Baynes
All guys on one year deals that we could have had at a combined price of KCP. A bunch of us on this forum we screaming for them to sign Evans. But those are the type of vets that can help win games and mentor kids.
Instead, we trotted out 4 rookies, 2 sophomores, 1 3rd year player, 2 fourth year guys and some misfit group of veterans.. That is 9 guys who have not even sniffed their primes yet.
Luke has not been perfect by any means, and I think he needs major coaching help, but he's not exactly been given much to work with. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:07 am Post subject: |
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The reason certain people have quit on this team is that they are convinced they will not be Lakers next year, and the playoffs are no longer reachable.
Magic needs to shut up about future plans instead of making Randle, Clarkson, Lopez and KCP feel like unwanted luggage. It's clear the latter 3 are going through the motions lately. Randle is still aggressive on-court, but his demeanor makes it pretty clear he's no longer invested in this team as a part of his future. As for Lopez, KCP, and Clarkson - awful right now. Yes they've quit.
Lonzo, Kuzma, Ingram - I don't think they've given up at all.
As for Luke, he does have things to learn. Don't give KCP an unlimited leash while sitting Randle for anything and everything. Don't consider KCP your clutch scorer, and please stop playing Larry Nance against full sized centers ffs.
As for Lavar's rant - I think there's merit to the comment that his real beef was Lonzo's playing time. Doesn't help that the press just loves a moron with a megaphone. |
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2019
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Magic needs to deal with this firmly, or else he needs to resign and let the team hire someone who has the guts to deal with Lavar Balltic. I would ban Balltic from all Laker facilities, including games played at Staples Center. He can watch the Lakers on TV or buy a ticket when we're on the road. |
It's a bad look to have to take those measures and how would Lonzo feel? Every question for the rest of the year would be about "your father has been banned, how do you feel? can you focus?" etc.
You do this stuff behind the scenes and you use whatever leverage you have for ESPN to stop letting Jeff Goodman follow this guy around with a hot mic. |
No, absolutely not. Lavar Balltic is not doing this stuff behind the scenes. Magic has already asked him privately to shut up. Now he has just called out your coach in the international media. If Magic is not prepared to deal with this, he needs to resign. No more kid gloves.
If it hurts Lonzo's feelings, then awwwww, isn't that so sad? Lonzo should have told dad to shut up a long time ago. Hell, Lonzo should be in the media this morning saying that his dad does not speak for the team, and that his dad does not speak for him. If poor little boo boo Lonzo can't deal with this, then he can't deal with being a Laker in the long run. This is not going away. This is not stopping. Lonzo is playing for the Lakers, and there is always going to be a forest of microphones waiting for him. Lavar Balltic does not own the team and he does not run it. If Lonzo can't deal with this, then it's time to ship Lonzo to someplace like Memphis where no one will care.
Lavar Balltic has fired a shot across Magic's bow. If Magic does not put him in his place publicly, then let's just all accept that Magic is a spineless gasbag pretending to be a team executive.
By the way, it makes ZERO difference whether you agree with what Balltic said about Luke. Hell, even if you agree 100% and think Luke should be fired immediately, you should be angry that Balltic is saying this stuff to the media. |
I agree 100000% on the last sentence but it's not as simple as you're making it out to be. Banning a parent from the arena would make news in every situation... banning Lavar would be the biggest storyline thus far of the NBA. That's a huge distraction and that can tear the team part.
Also, who's trading value enough for us to move Lonzo? For better or worse, he's our guy and his play has starting getting better-- well at least the shooting |
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troy
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| Killer_Z wrote: | | Time for Bill Walton to step in and fire back! Daddy vs daddy! |
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LakerMindLA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Fracture wrote: | | Lavar is 100% right tbh. Guys just aren't playing hard anymore. |
Don’t know if this is on Luke.
The team had nothing to play for at this point and half of them know they are just place holders. |
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PayasoLoco
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Fracture wrote: | | Lavar is 100% right tbh. Guys just aren't playing hard anymore. |
Don’t know if this is on Luke.
The team had nothing to play for at this point and half of them know they are just place holders. |
Its not on luke its on magics big mouth |
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daytripper
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Lonzo had the worst +/- in that Charlotte game at -24.
If Lavar really is so upset about how Luke is coaching Lonzo he probably picked the wrong game to start his complaining again.
Also he needs to stop throwing out his ideas on the future roster (Lonzo, Liangelo, LeBron, Nance, Randle). BI and Kuz have to see that they are not part of Lavar's so called vision which could potentially cause even more division in that lockerroom. |
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LakerMindLA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Lavar is the only one with balls to stop tip toeing around the issue. Hes statng the obvious. There is no life in their play as a team. They’ve quit. Lukes been getting a free pass since he’s been here simply because he’s young. |
Serious question.. what did you expect from this roster? Before the season, we didn't even know we had our best player in Kuzma.
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3rd or 4th worst record in the NBA behind Atlanta, Chicago and Indiana. |
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CHRISTYLE70
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| daytripper wrote: | Lonzo had the worst +/- in that Charlotte game at -24.
If Lavar really is so upset about how Luke is coaching Lonzo he probably picked the wrong game to start his complaining again.
Also he needs to stop throwing out his ideas on the future roster (Lonzo, Liangelo, LeBron, Nance, Randle). BI and Kuz have to see that they are not part of Lavar's so called vision which could potentially cause even more division in that lockerroom. |
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP with the plus minus stat its one of the most useless subjective stats in basketball. KCP had 0 points 0 rebounds and 0 assists and his plus minus was -1 who had the better game KCP or Lonzo? |
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ReaListik
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Of course the team doesn’t look or act like they are playing with joy or fun, they lose like it’s going out of style. They are not a good team, so he is wrong there, they are a G-League team. It’s ridiculous to put it all on Luke, no other coach would do better. I wonder if he would say this rhetoric if you put another coach in Luke’s place. LaVar is an assclown.
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RestEasyBlackMamba
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| This team was doomed as soon as it was announced that we were gonna chase two max contract players. Half the team knows they are not In the Lakers plans. |
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Treble Clef
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| CHRISTYLE70 wrote: | | daytripper wrote: | Lonzo had the worst +/- in that Charlotte game at -24.
If Lavar really is so upset about how Luke is coaching Lonzo he probably picked the wrong game to start his complaining again.
Also he needs to stop throwing out his ideas on the future roster (Lonzo, Liangelo, LeBron, Nance, Randle). BI and Kuz have to see that they are not part of Lavar's so called vision which could potentially cause even more division in that lockerroom. |
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP with the plus minus stat its one of the most useless subjective stats in basketball. KCP had 0 points 0 rebounds and 0 assists and his plus minus was -1 who had the better game KCP or Lonzo? |
Lavar brought up the +/- stat and he was dead wrong. He said this:
"Four minutes left in the first quarter, he dunked it, getting in a flow and Coach sits him down. Sat him down. Now game goes from four points to 10 to 15 to 20"
The problem is, they were down by 4 when Lonzo came out, but when Lonzo came back in at the start of the 2nd, they were still down by 4. |
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DrDent
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:39 am Post subject: |
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A lot of what's been broiling for some time is now boiling over - I think over a week ago Andrew kaminitsky on a lakers post game show (radio) said the team was close to splintering.
Uncertainty of players future status, at times bizzare rotations, and Luke's auto subbing I think really coming to the forefront during the losing streak and I think it's now officially pouring onto the court whereas before it had not.
They say winning is like a deodorant, covers up a lot that stinks. Well, maybe the lakers weren't winning a ton but they started off 8-11 and now are in the midst of an awful losing streak. At least at one point they were competitive and in the games in the 4th quarter (even with Lonzo out)...but recently, ouch.
The second Lonzo was drafted we knew the baggage that was coming (Lavar) if things got rocky. Well, there he goes, pouncing on the situation and getting his name out there. Frankly, not surprising.
I just hope this squad gets back to playing with more intensity and Luke figures some stuff out...soon. |
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LakerMindLA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Lavar’s mouth is also hurting any chance the lakers have at star FAs. |
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HumanVictoryCigar
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| you guys can't rant against the messenger, LaVar, all you want, unfortunately there's a grain of truth in what he is saying. The capricious lineup changes by Luke including whole line substitutions when one or two guys should be subbed out sends the wrong message to the other guys that are hustling. Guys like Julius and Clarkson, when they get subbed out, have no idea if they are EVER coming back in the game again. They have no idea, it's definitely not based on whether they were playing well or not. |
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| HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | | you guys can't rant against the messenger, LaVar, all you want, unfortunately there's a grain of truth in what he is saying. The capricious lineup changes by Luke including whole line substitutions when one or two guys should be subbed out sends the wrong message to the other guys that are hustling. Guys like Julius and Clarkson, when they get subbed out, have no idea if they are EVER coming back in the game again. They have no idea, it's definitely not based on whether they were playing well or not. |
Clarkson and Randle are just like LaVar is with Lonzo. When they're getting big minutes, they're happy regardless of the wins and losses. LaVar was even complaining about Lonzo's minutes during wins. Toxic atmosphere. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| RashardA wrote: | | The Lakers are a dumpster fire. Trace it all back to hiring Magic Johnson. |
An early contender for worst post of the year.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:55 am Post subject: |
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He’s right. Just like Barkley and Cowherd were right last year about our young talent just not being good enough. It hurts to hear, because as hardcore fans we all WANT our team to be good, we WANT our young guys to be amazing...and they just aren’t.
Lavar is a free individual and is free to say whatever he likes, if he is wrong he will look like a dope and stop talking. He is not wrong here.
- The team stopped playing hard as soon as they had the team meeting. I think some guys were looking for clarity, maybe they got it...you aren’t part of our long term plans (JC/JR/KCP have all fallen off a cliff since that meeting)
- Lonzo and Kuzma are the only players on our roster currently who have a chanced of being above average NBA players. They need to start and play a ton of minutes. BI/Hart both have a chance to be average NBA players...the rest are doomed to be below average NBA players.
- Lavar isn’t scared of anything, for himself or Lonzo. Lonzo is improving and his ceiling is ridiculous (IMO), he deserves a good coach and good players around him...nothing wrong with anybody calling out the Lakers right now. I’m sure if any one of us had the voice he does, we would like to be able to say a lot of what Lavar is saying. Good on him. |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | ooooh boiii. please make the mainstream sports news please make the mainstream sports news. All press is bad press when you're getting scapegoated |
And it was all so predictable. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| The irony is that this makes it harder for them to fire Luke if that's something that they were considering. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, and who's ready for "Lakers Interim Head Coach, Brian Shaw?!?!" |
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HumanVictoryCigar
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | | you guys can't rant against the messenger, LaVar, all you want, unfortunately there's a grain of truth in what he is saying. The capricious lineup changes by Luke including whole line substitutions when one or two guys should be subbed out sends the wrong message to the other guys that are hustling. Guys like Julius and Clarkson, when they get subbed out, have no idea if they are EVER coming back in the game again. They have no idea, it's definitely not based on whether they were playing well or not. |
Clarkson and Randle are just like LaVar is with Lonzo. When they're getting big minutes, they're happy regardless of the wins and losses. LaVar was even complaining about Lonzo's minutes during wins. Toxic atmosphere. |
they're confused. If you play well, you finish the games - according to Luke. That has rarely happened this year. Brook Lopez puts up pretty numbers every once in awhile but has little effect on the game but by god, if he's healthy, he's the starter. KCP same thing. If they can walk, they are the starters, regardless of how they are playing. Luke keeps talking about "team" and these guys are looking around like... I'm going to be on another team anyway, you want me to play cheerleader on the bench doing cartwheels when one of our guys scores? I'm being judged by the coaches on how excited I pretend to be while sitting on the bench? What is this, high school? |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Oh, and who's ready for "Lakers Interim Head Coach, Brian Shaw?!?!" |
Is there actually a chance they fire Luke mid-season??? Wow. |
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LakerLanny
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| The Lebrons wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Oh, and who's ready for "Lakers Interim Head Coach, Brian Shaw?!?!" |
Is there actually a chance they fire Luke mid-season??? Wow. |
Brian Shaw lifetime coaching record:
Regular Season = 141 games = .397%
Playoffs = 0 games = .000%
Might be an upgrade?
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