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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: lonzo ball vs. draymond green

Green: 10.7/7.8/7.6 in 31.8MPG, 31.6% 3 point shooting, 1.4 steals, 1.3 blocks
Ball: 10.2/7.1/7.1 in 33.7MPG, 30.9% 3 point shooting, 1.5 steals, .9 blocks
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:24 pm    Post subject:

I've actually been thinking recently that Draymond is my favorite comp for Lonzo. Two of the few guys capable of being the best player on the court in a game without being a big time scorer.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:25 pm    Post subject:

I've never seen a rookie PG play defensively big until now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject:

It's a remarkable statistical comparison, for sure.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:44 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo is literally as good as Draymond Green right now. I can only imagine how good this kid will be in 2-4 years!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:47 pm    Post subject:

Amazing isn't it? And yet we still have people trashing Zo. Boggles the mind
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
I've never seen a rookie PG play defensively big until now.


Very high praise for him Mike. does that mean you consider him a "generational" player like so many people like to say
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:58 pm    Post subject:

Right now as a rookie and with a bad shooting start he's comparable to green

Let that sink in
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject:

jjangx27 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
I've never seen a rookie PG play defensively big until now.


Very high praise for him Mike. does that mean you consider him a "generational" player like so many people like to say


I don't know about generational. That's super difficult.

I will say, new archetype.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:03 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
I've never seen a rookie PG play defensively big until now.


Very high praise for him Mike. does that mean you consider him a "generational" player like so many people like to say


I don't know about generational. That's super difficult.

I will say, new archetype.


lonzo seems as good as advertised. multiple all-star, all NBA level.

generational would be a once in a generation player i guess (kobe, lebron, shaq). not sure peak potential lonzo is that high but then again who knows. never thought kobe would have been.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject:

nomoreshaq wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
I've never seen a rookie PG play defensively big until now.


Very high praise for him Mike. does that mean you consider him a "generational" player like so many people like to say


I don't know about generational. That's super difficult.

I will say, new archetype.


lonzo seems as good as advertised. multiple all-star, all NBA level.

generational would be a once in a generation player i guess (kobe, lebron, shaq). not sure peak potential lonzo is that high but then again who knows. never thought kobe would have been.


Generational means different things to different people. To me Garnett, Duncan, Dirk, Wade, even Gasol are all generational players. Others have a stricter idea of what it means.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:10 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo League rankings amongst PG's:

Rebounds = #3
Assists = #5
Steals = #7
Blocks = #3
Double Doubles = #6
Minutes = #9

3 pointers = #30, right behind #29, Westbrook
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject:

He's about the same height as Dray too although Dray should have him beat on wingspan.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:14 pm    Post subject:

It's pretty remarkable how much impact Lonzo has as a floor General despite his low field goal percentage. That's one positive that we can take away from the nine game losing streak when he was out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:24 pm    Post subject:

Of all the things Zo brings, I think I've been most impressed with his D.

From watching him at UCLA, I was already aware that his off-ball D was very advanced. Quick hands. Great anticipation/timing.

But now watching him go up against starting-level NBA PGs, his on-ball D has been even more impressive. The discipline/timing he's shown in when to go for the shot block is highly-advanced. I know blocking shots alone isn't a great indicator of how good one's defense is, but how many times have we seen him block some of the elite PGs so far this year? It's just something you don't see many guards do.


A Ball/Hart defensive backcourt can, potentially, do a LOT of damage.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:56 pm    Post subject:

Zo is a better passer with better vision. What would Zos assist total be passing to KD, Curry, Klay? He’d average 13+ pg
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:36 pm    Post subject:

Someone in ESPN radio made that comparison. Can't recall who but it made a lot of sense.

It's pretty accurate
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:44 pm    Post subject:

Cool stats similarities.
But these guys play nothing alike
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Cool stats similarities.
But these guys play nothing alike

They actually do - low usage creators who space the floor and provide good (Lonzo) to elite (Dray) defense, particularly team defense.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:56 pm    Post subject:

I like the comparison
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:18 pm    Post subject:

And they both wear that stupid white undershirt lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:19 pm    Post subject:

B_P wrote:
Of all the things Zo brings, I think I've been most impressed with his D.

From watching him at UCLA, I was already aware that his off-ball D was very advanced. Quick hands. Great anticipation/timing.

But now watching him go up against starting-level NBA PGs, his on-ball D has been even more impressive. The discipline/timing he's shown in when to go for the shot block is highly-advanced. I know blocking shots alone isn't a great indicator of how good one's defense is, but how many times have we seen him block some of the elite PGs so far this year? It's just something you don't see many guards do.


A Ball/Hart defensive backcourt can, potentially, do a LOT of damage.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:25 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo would easily average 10+ assists on the Warriors.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:29 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Cool stats similarities.
But these guys play nothing alike

They actually do - low usage creators who space the floor and provide good (Lonzo) to elite (Dray) defense, particularly team defense.


A general overview comparison?
Maybe when players are compared I'm expecting them to play similar roles.
Just playing different positions and guarding different positions make it hard to compare imo.

I can't wait for someone to post their play types and frequencies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:03 pm    Post subject:

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nomoreshaq wrote:
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jjangx27 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
I've never seen a rookie PG play defensively big until now.


Very high praise for him Mike. does that mean you consider him a "generational" player like so many people like to say


I don't know about generational. That's super difficult.

I will say, new archetype.


lonzo seems as good as advertised. multiple all-star, all NBA level.

generational would be a once in a generation player i guess (kobe, lebron, shaq). not sure peak potential lonzo is that high but then again who knows. never thought kobe would have been.


Generational means different things to different people. To me Garnett, Duncan, Dirk, Wade, even Gasol are all generational players. Others have a stricter idea of what it means.


To me, like 1 in 50 years kind of thing. You get 1 Wilt, then Shaq. No Kareem, No Magic, No Hakeem, etc.
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