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ChickenBeckerman
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 Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:32 am Post subject: How about KEEPING JRandle and JClarkson? and just adding a bigname FO in Off Season? |
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Them two guys is BALLIN out right now and I'm not sure there is anyone out there on the trading block that's gonna solve our immediate problems anyways.
As this team continues to gel and grow it might be worth considering to ride it out with these guys till the end of the year at least and see how things pan out. They have issues yes, JC tends to ballhog but he is instant offense off the bench which has done well for the Lakers. JR can really be a force and a leader, he's shown it time and time again. Might be better off keepin em for now rather than shaking up the team again. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| And whole new front office? |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| Wouldn't be the worst thing as long they come off the bench. |
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2019
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| too late... traded DLO to get the space for 2 guys. IMO, no turning back now. But I understand your premise and I don't particularly disagree with it. Just don't think any FA outside LeBron can make us a championship competitive by himself. |
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Harlemlakerfan
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| It’s up to Julius. If he takes a qualifying offer or a backloaded contract, that is definitely a strong possibility. |
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Bard207
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| Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | It’s up to Julius. If he takes a qualifying offer or a backloaded contract, that is definitely a strong possibility. |
What is a backloaded contract? |
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Don Draper
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| Well it's risky but there's no question a second max level player would be better than Randle and Clarkson. Especially given how streaky the latter is. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | It’s up to Julius. If he takes a qualifying offer or a backloaded contract, that is definitely a strong possibility. |
What is a backloaded contract? |
It’s when rather than the contract being spread evenly over the contract term, the majority of the contract is paid toward the end of the contract.
So you could do...
$5M/$5M/$15M/$15M
Versus $10M/$10M/$10M/$10M |
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fontana3d
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Don Draper wrote: | | Well it's risky but there's no question a second max level player would be better than Randle and Clarkson. Especially given how streaky the latter is. |
True, but doesn't mean we will succeed. |
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fontana3d
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | too late... traded DLO to get the space for 2 guys. IMO, no turning back now. But I understand your premise and I don't particularly disagree with it. Just don't think any FA outside LeBron can make us a championship competitive by himself. |
Or anyone who can help get out of the west. Even with LeBron we still might not get out of the west. |
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LakerLanny
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No, we need to try and move forward. Those two aren't going to be part of where we need to go.
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DangeRuss
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| fontana3d wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | too late... traded DLO to get the space for 2 guys. IMO, no turning back now. But I understand your premise and I don't particularly disagree with it. Just don't think any FA outside LeBron can make us a championship competitive by himself. |
Or anyone who can help get out of the west. Even with LeBron we still might not get out of the west. |
Hell lebron and the stacked cavs roster might not even get out of the east this year and for sure won’t next year with another year older lebron and the Celtics getting Hayward back |
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DangeRuss
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I’m over clarkson completely, his 1 or 2 game heroics a month doesn’t make up for his poor defense, decision making and dumb plays year round. If we’re going the one max route I’d much rather split the rest on Noel and Avery Bradley.
Lonzo/ vet min
PG/ Bradley
Ingram/ Hart
Nance/ Kuzma
Randle/ Noel
That bench lineup would be sick.
Another route we could go with Cousins as our max and no PG
Lonzo/vet min
Bradley/ Hart
Ingram/ Kuzma
Nance/covington
Cousins/Randle
Here’s the two max
Lonzo/vet min
PG/Hart
Ingram/vet min
Nance/Kuzma
Cousins/ Randle or Noel, there are ways we can get two max and one of those two.
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DShotMaker1824
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Once the big name FO isn't LeBron, I'd be fine with this.
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Fortysixn2
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Jordan isn’t happy with his minutes and he’s not going to be a starter with us, he just doesn’t bring the defense and pounds the ball too much to be a good fit with the uptempo/ball sharing style the 1st unit is looking to play. I think he’s definitely going to get traded. I could see something going down with the pistons
JC + ?
For
Stanley johnson (to back up Ingram) + ?
With Randle, on the fence. He definitely doesn’t deserve max money but unlike Clarkson I see a lot of fight in him. I don’t particularly like Randle, but he’s fine off the bench...but I don’t think he see things that way. He probably thinks he deserves a Max and a starting position. He doesn’t NEED to be moved, but he personally may require a move to be in the position he desires.
I wouldn’t mind at all
JC + Randle
For
Avery Bradley + Stanley + Anthony Tolliver
Clears a lot of space for us, we can see if Bradley is a fit at the SG position going forward and Stanley will accept a backup SF roll and see if he can develop him before he busts out of the league. I think that would be followed by moving KCP for the best backup PG we can find for Lonzo.
That is the type of move I’d expect to go down. I think at the very least Clarkson is gone, don’t know about Randle. |
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JeezyXVII
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If seriously love to have ABradley on this team.
He should be 1 of the guys we reach out to in the FA.
He’d be the ideal 2 next to Lonzo, more consistant offensive player, 3pt shooter than KCP and an amazing defender. |
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JeezyXVII
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I see Randle being gone cause of the whole contract situation.
Who would do Dedmon + 1 of ATLs late 2018 1st rounders for Randle ?
Atlanta gets a a jump start with their rebuild, and we get a big man whos agile and can defend + a late 1st rd pick.
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Lucky_Shot
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | It’s up to Julius. If he takes a qualifying offer or a backloaded contract, that is definitely a strong possibility. |
What is a backloaded contract? |
It’s when rather than the contract being spread evenly over the contract term, the majority of the contract is paid toward the end of the contract.
So you could do...
$5M/$5M/$15M/$15M
Versus $10M/$10M/$10M/$10M |
A nba contract can only change about 4.5% year to year so backloaded contract dont really exist in the nba |
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ChickenBeckerman
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | No, we need to try and move forward. Those two aren't going to be part of where we need to go. |
thing is, the Lakers CAN move forward with those two. This team as a whole has showed repeatedly that they can hang and even beat the top teams in the league with JC & JR being key players in that mix. It's taken a while to finally get them all to gel the way they could gel but they are finally showing the signs, gameplay and potential many of us suspected.
It'd be worth playing it through the season to see how far it could actually go. Don't trade em out just because you're 'supposed' to. You don't know how the new acquisition will work out, honestly I just don't see that big impact player out there in the trading market either.
At least now we can see some potential developing with each passing win.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| JeezyXVII wrote: | If seriously love to have ABradley on this team.
He should be 1 of the guys we reach out to in the FA.
He’d be the ideal 2 next to Lonzo, more consistant offensive player, 3pt shooter than KCP and an amazing defender. |
How old is Bradley now? I like the idea, he is a great defender and that would be really cool to pair with Lonzo's D.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | It’s up to Julius. If he takes a qualifying offer or a backloaded contract, that is definitely a strong possibility. |
What is a backloaded contract? |
It’s when rather than the contract being spread evenly over the contract term, the majority of the contract is paid toward the end of the contract.
So you could do...
$5M/$5M/$15M/$15M
Versus $10M/$10M/$10M/$10M |
A nba contract can only change about 4.5% year to year so backloaded contract dont really exist in the nba |
That’s not true. Explain the Tyler Johnson contract that he received in 2016 then.
$6M/$6M/$19M/$19M |
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Jules yes. Jc not necessary.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | It’s up to Julius. If he takes a qualifying offer or a backloaded contract, that is definitely a strong possibility. |
What is a backloaded contract? |
It’s when rather than the contract being spread evenly over the contract term, the majority of the contract is paid toward the end of the contract.
So you could do...
$5M/$5M/$15M/$15M
Versus $10M/$10M/$10M/$10M |
A nba contract can only change about 4.5% year to year so backloaded contract dont really exist in the nba |
That’s not true. Explain the Tyler Johnson contract that he received in 2016 then.
$6M/$6M/$19M/$19M |
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JeezyXVII
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | If seriously love to have ABradley on this team.
He should be 1 of the guys we reach out to in the FA.
He’d be the ideal 2 next to Lonzo, more consistant offensive player, 3pt shooter than KCP and an amazing defender. |
How old is Bradley now? I like the idea, he is a great defender and that would be really cool to pair with Lonzo's D. |
Hes only 27yo |
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LakerMindLA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | It’s up to Julius. If he takes a qualifying offer or a backloaded contract, that is definitely a strong possibility. |
What is a backloaded contract? |
It’s when rather than the contract being spread evenly over the contract term, the majority of the contract is paid toward the end of the contract.
So you could do...
$5M/$5M/$15M/$15M
Versus $10M/$10M/$10M/$10M |
A nba contract can only change about 4.5% year to year so backloaded contract dont really exist in the nba |
That’s not true. Explain the Tyler Johnson contract that he received in 2016 then.
$6M/$6M/$19M/$19M |
Gilbert Arena's provision.
Randle's contract can go +/- 8% in this CBA. |
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