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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:28 pm    Post subject: Official Gary Payton II Thread (Gary Payton II assigned to South Bay)

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The Lakers are planning to sign Gary Payton II to a two-way contract, Shams Charania of The Vertical tweets. Payton II began the 2017/18 campaign with the Bucks, but despite starting six games for the team, averaged just 2.5 points and 1.4 rebounds per game.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/01/lakers-to-sign-gary-payton-ii-to-two-way-deal.html
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Sources: The Los Angeles Lakers are planning to sign guard Gary Payton II to a two-way NBA contract. Payton is expected to join the team in Memphis.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject:

Can somebody fill me in as to whats exciting about him? Has no jumpshot, but athletic, decent offball defender, and thrives in transition? Am I correct on that?

I mean that sincerely. Hoping he's a good pickup, just not sure if I've got his strengths and weaknesses down.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject:

Doesn’t add shooting. Means Lonzo could be out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject:

incontrol__ wrote:
Can somebody fill me in as to whats exciting about him? Has no jumpshot, but athletic, decent offball defender, and thrives in transition? Am I correct on that?

I mean that sincerely. Hoping he's a good pickup, just not sure if I've got his strengths and weaknesses down.


Pretty much. He exhibited some decent vision in college as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:40 pm    Post subject:

Aside from that Rockets game, Ennis has been awful. Time to try something new.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject:

LakersMD wrote:
incontrol__ wrote:
Can somebody fill me in as to whats exciting about him? Has no jumpshot, but athletic, decent offball defender, and thrives in transition? Am I correct on that?

I mean that sincerely. Hoping he's a good pickup, just not sure if I've got his strengths and weaknesses down.


Pretty much. He exhibited some decent vision in college as well.


So he is basically the point guard version of Nwaba?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:44 pm    Post subject:

LakersMD wrote:
incontrol__ wrote:
Can somebody fill me in as to whats exciting about him? Has no jumpshot, but athletic, decent offball defender, and thrives in transition? Am I correct on that?

I mean that sincerely. Hoping he's a good pickup, just not sure if I've got his strengths and weaknesses down.


Pretty much. He exhibited some decent vision in college as well.


It's a two-way contract, basically insurance in case Zo misses a few games. He is young and still has upside.
After releasing Vander Blue I am excited we signed a player like GPII. He will have a chance to further develop in the G-League and maybe help the Lakers in the future too.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:44 pm    Post subject:

Can he pass the ball?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:45 pm    Post subject:

https://mobile.twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/952701683280285696

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In 49 games last year in D-League:
- 5th worst PnR scoring
- 5th worst PnR passing (worst on team)
- 10th %ile defense

In 64 total NBA & D/G-League games last year & this year:
- 34th percentile catching & shooting PPP
- 7th percentile PPP on pull up jumpers

In his 49 games last season for the Rio Grande Valley Vipers on D he was:
- Last in overall PPP
- Last in PnR PPP
- Last in iso PPP
- Last in post PPP
- 2nd worst defending off screen shooters
- Last in roll man PPP
- Middle of the line handoff defense


Trash defender and trash on offense in the gleague. lmao magic cmon


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:47 pm    Post subject:

trashcan wrote:
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His offense against gleague guys is really really bad. Wtf


That looks terrible. Is this nepotism?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, you're not hiring him for his offense.

You're hoping he becomes Ruben Patterson.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject:

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Payton II played in 12 games for the Milwaukee Bucks this season for a total of 106 minutes. He averaged 2.5 points, .8 assists and 1.4 rebounds per game in the minimal playing time he had.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/1/14/16891396/la-lakers-rumor-free-agent-sign-gary-payton-two-way-contract
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:51 pm    Post subject:

mookielala wrote:
trashcan wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/952701683280285696

His offense against gleague guys is really really bad. Wtf


That looks terrible. Is this nepotism?


Yowza. Doesn't look like he deserves a shot, but for his name.

Welp, either way, now's his chance. Hopefully he makes the most of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
LakersMD wrote:
incontrol__ wrote:
Can somebody fill me in as to whats exciting about him? Has no jumpshot, but athletic, decent offball defender, and thrives in transition? Am I correct on that?

I mean that sincerely. Hoping he's a good pickup, just not sure if I've got his strengths and weaknesses down.


Pretty much. He exhibited some decent vision in college as well.


It's a two-way contract, basically insurance in case Zo misses a few games. He is young and still has upside.
After releasing Vander Blue I am excited we signed a player like GPII. He will have a chance to further develop in the G-League and maybe help the Lakers in the future too.


He’s already 25 years old.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject:

Would rather have Gary Payton tbh
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:00 pm    Post subject:

I got the Wilson unofficial and then eventual non-signing, but based on numbers from Cranjis, this one seems like a head scratcher.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
Would rather have Gary Payton tbh



That was 14 years ago.

Although how often does a father/son play for the same franchise.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:14 pm    Post subject:

well he's still probably better than ennis
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:19 pm    Post subject:

incontrol__ wrote:
Can somebody fill me in as to whats exciting about him? Has no jumpshot, but athletic, decent offball defender, and thrives in transition? Am I correct on that?



His name and his defense.

That's pretty much it.

he's a slasher 3 in a 1s body.

And is redundant to have when you have Josh Hart playing at the level he's been playing at.

The Lakers had a much better choice already on their G-League roster(if they weren't gonna use Caruso) in Scott Machado. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5MeKs6P7JA

90% Free throw shooter
40% from three
47% from the field
8.4 APG
with only 2.8 TOs


That kid was literally on our G-League roster, right in front of us, and we went with Gary Payton II? We're 2nd in the league in defensive efficiency since our starting lineup of Lonzo/KCP/Ingram/Randle/Lopez has been playing.

It's not defense we're lacking it's shooting.

But we went with the name instead of who could have been more efficienct, AFTER letting Burke get away in the first place as well this signing leaves a lot to be desired.

Hope this isn't going to be come a trend. (Name over efficiency)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:35 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Yeah, you're not hiring him for his offense.
You're hoping he becomes Ruben Patterson.

So he can be a self-proclaimer of defensive ability.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:37 pm    Post subject:

So the Poor Man's David Nwaba.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:40 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
The Lakers had a much better choice already on their G-League roster(if they weren't gonna use Caruso) in Scott Machado. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5MeKs6P7JA

90% Free throw shooter
40% from three
47% from the field
8.4 APG
with only 2.8 TOs

That kid was literally on our G-League roster, right in front of us, and we went with Gary Payton II? We're 2nd in the league in defensive efficiency since our starting lineup of Lonzo/KCP/Ingram/Randle/Lopez has been playing.

It's not defense we're lacking it's shooting.

But we went with the name instead of who could have been more efficienct, AFTER letting Burke get away in the first place as well this signing leaves a lot to be desired.

Hope this isn't going to be come a trend. (Name over efficiency)


At least go for a Laker-brand G-leaguer when he’s got numbers like that. I hope Payton can prove the world wrong here, but damn.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:48 pm    Post subject:

GPii (25) can't hit the side of a barn...aside from his D, not sure this
was a good pickup..
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