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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:33 pm    Post subject:

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it's nice to have a power forward with some power in the tool box...can't have 12 Reggie Millers


He’s 6’9”, gets punished by real centers and we have 0 Reggie Millers.


He does pretty well vs Embiid
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject:

Keep him! No one else on this team can talk smack to draymond green and back it up. He’s a beast and will only get better. He’s also grown to 6’10, cant call him undersized anymore
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:39 am    Post subject:

Yea, i don't know what the problem is, Randle is fine. His shot is getting better too. He just doesn't look as good without Lonzo, but all of them don't look as good when he's not there.

Randle/LN jr - that should be our rotation at the 4.

Its a decent backup pg and a deadeye shooter off the bench that we need.

Kuzma is good as a backup to KCP or Ingram, we would need a second guy to back the other spot - a good shooter (problem with Brewer who is the other backup is that he's not a good shooter)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:55 am    Post subject:

Randle has his worth, of course, but it's all about the price. We won't be able to build a championship team if we're paying him big. If he accepts a contract around 12 mil/year, it should do it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:22 am    Post subject:

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Keep him! No one else on this team can talk smack to draymond green and back it up. He’s a beast and will only get better. He’s also grown to 6’10, cant call him undersized anymore


He looks bigger with hair and he's the same exact height as Blake Griffin if not slightly taller (from the Nike Jersey reveal), so I think you're right. But is there any proof that said he has grown an inch, or is it all pure speculation?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:39 am    Post subject:

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Jullius is a 15+ pts, 10+ rebs guy who can handle the ball and defend the wing.

That's pretty darn good.

Top 10 rebounder every year if you give him 30 mins guaranteed.

The comp is Enes Kanter and he makes 18 mil a year. I think Randle gets somewhere between 15-18 mil offers.... closer to 18.

Someone's gonna pay him and he deserves it too.


1) He's a better defender than Kanter will ever be
2) He's averaging 17/10/2 as a starter in 27 Minutes, he's more a 20/10 guy than a 15/10 guy.
3) Your assessment of his market value in terms of cost is pretty spot on.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:08 am    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
calistrtballr wrote:
Keep him! No one else on this team can talk smack to draymond green and back it up. He’s a beast and will only get better. He’s also grown to 6’10, cant call him undersized anymore


He looks bigger with hair and he's the same exact height as Blake Griffin if not slightly taller (from the Nike Jersey reveal), so I think you're right. But is there any proof that said he has grown an inch, or is it all pure speculation?


Is this a fact? Perhaps Blake is only really 6-9 himself?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:49 am    Post subject:

FreakofNature wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
calistrtballr wrote:
Keep him! No one else on this team can talk smack to draymond green and back it up. He’s a beast and will only get better. He’s also grown to 6’10, cant call him undersized anymore


He looks bigger with hair and he's the same exact height as Blake Griffin if not slightly taller (from the Nike Jersey reveal), so I think you're right. But is there any proof that said he has grown an inch, or is it all pure speculation?


Is this a fact? Perhaps Blake is only really 6-9 himself?


Maybe dating a Jenner somehow makes you less of a man, mentally and physically.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:55 am    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
calistrtballr wrote:
Keep him! No one else on this team can talk smack to draymond green and back it up. He’s a beast and will only get better. He’s also grown to 6’10, cant call him undersized anymore


He looks bigger with hair and he's the same exact height as Blake Griffin if not slightly taller (from the Nike Jersey reveal), so I think you're right. But is there any proof that said he has grown an inch, or is it all pure speculation?


Is this a fact? Perhaps Blake is only really 6-9 himself?


Maybe dating a Jenner somehow makes you less of a man, mentally and physically.


Blake is dating one of them? Yuck
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:07 am    Post subject:

If we let KCP and Lopez walk, sign Paul G., and re-sign Randle, that will be a very successful offseason.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:13 am    Post subject:

The issue with Randle comes down to his asking price. I don't think that the team is in a rush to trade him, despite the reports. I di think that his asking price may be higher than what the teams wants to pay, given their plan of 2 max guys. I think that if a reasonable deal can be worked out, he will be back.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:02 am    Post subject:

Randle is a keeper. These rosters could enter the playoff next season without adding a star IMO. So the Lakers wouldn’t rush to trade any of them.

(Lopez), Nance
Randle, Kuzma
Ingram, Hart
(KCP), Clarkson
Ball, (backup PG)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
BizLA wrote:
VicXLakers wrote:
it's nice to have a power forward with some power in the tool box...can't have 12 Reggie Millers


He’s 6’9”, gets punished by real centers and we have 0 Reggie Millers.


He does pretty well vs Embiid


Quite the opposite.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject:

I'm in the "keep him for the right price" camp. My fear is losing him and then missing out on good free agents. We'll be in a worse position, imo. Perhaps its best to maintain the talent we have.

Embiid destroyed Randle in the first game, no contest. In the second game Randle had a couple big plays down the stretch if I remember correctly.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject:

Randle is still young and has upside.
Like it was mentioned, the key is if he takes a reasonable contract.
The Lakers should be able to match any offers. But his lack of consistency may keep him from getting a big one.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject:

randle is a great, great, great 15/10 guy.

the fact that he thinks he IS and should get paid like a 30/10 guy is where the issue comes into it. Cuz he's still a 15/10 guy regardless.

Don't think i'll ever see a night-in night-out give me the ball, especially on the last few possessions, Randle. But he's not satisfied/happy unless he's in that spot on a team.

It seems and for now at least.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:36 am    Post subject:

Signing Randle means that we failed in our primary objective.

If that happens they will sell it to us like it was their plan all along... but that means they couldn't get one of two elite FAs, or fear that we can't get someone like Klay in 2019.

If we fail in our efforts to sign Boogie, PG13, Lebron... and sign Randle, KCP type players... the team will still be pretty good because Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Nance, Hart will keep growing... but we will probably limited to Clipper level playoff appearances instead of competing for championships.

Randle as a sixth man energy guy is amazing... but as a centerpiece for a title run, I find very unlikely unless Ball starts shooting around 45% and Ingram gets closer to 50% which would make them legit stars and consistent scoring threats and render the other elites less necessary. If Randle was truly great, the team wouldn't have fallen off a cliff when Lonzo went out... or stayed so terrible last season. I think he's an amazing physical presence who scores simply by sheer will sometimes, but I don't see him as a polished player.

If he stays, I will root for him wholeheartedly, but my first choices are those other three.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
Car54 wrote:
BizLA wrote:
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it's nice to have a power forward with some power in the tool box...can't have 12 Reggie Millers


He’s 6’9”, gets punished by real centers and we have 0 Reggie Millers.


He does pretty well vs Embiid


Quite the opposite.


Dunno why people keep holding on to that first performance Embiid had against Randle but completely freaking neglect what happened in their second matchup against one another where Randle posterized him and had some big stops against him late in the clutch.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject:

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Harrison Barnes scored EASILY on him to send the game to OT yesterday and then Luke gives the ball to him and he gets STRIPPED to end regulation. Oh and he had 7 turnovers. But WE MUST keep him. Lmao


He also had a key rebound and shot in OT to help win the game.

He wasn't the first option on that inbounds play, Kuzma was but he couldn't get the ball.

Barnes was 7-21 in that game and had 5 rebounds.

Randle
9-15 FG / 23 pts /15 rebounds / 7 TO /2 assists in 34 minutes.

Pretty sure Randle outplayed him but you want to cherry pick stats and moments....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:04 am    Post subject:

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Signing Randle means that we failed in our primary objective.

If that happens they will sell it to us like it was their plan all along... but that means they couldn't get one of two elite FAs, or fear that we can't get someone like Klay in 2019.

If we fail in our efforts to sign Boogie, PG13, Lebron... and sign Randle, KCP type players... the team will still be pretty good because Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Nance, Hart will keep growing... but we will probably limited to Clipper level playoff appearances instead of competing for championships.

Randle as a sixth man energy guy is amazing... but as a centerpiece for a title run, I find very unlikely unless Ball starts shooting around 45% and Ingram gets closer to 50% which would make them legit stars and consistent scoring threats and render the other elites less necessary. If Randle was truly great, the team wouldn't have fallen off a cliff when Lonzo went out... or stayed so terrible last season. I think he's an amazing physical presence who scores simply by sheer will sometimes, but I don't see him as a polished player.

If he stays, I will root for him wholeheartedly, but my first choices are those other three.


I don't think that's a fair assessment since our depth chart behind Lonzo is so terrible and overall talent is an issue, regardless of Randle in there or not.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:59 pm    Post subject:

He's gonna want max or close to max which we won't be able to afford (unless you don't want to go after Lebron or Boogie) Just trade him now and get something in return.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:03 pm    Post subject:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:
The issue with Randle comes down to his asking price. I don't think that the team is in a rush to trade him, despite the reports. I di think that his asking price may be higher than what the teams wants to pay, given their plan of 2 max guys. I think that if a reasonable deal can be worked out, he will be back.

I doubt he's traded for that reason. Unless he's just become such a pain in the ass to his teammates (as suggested by Iolsa in that article), I think the Lakers would rather keep their options open.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:29 pm    Post subject:

I guarantee you the Mark Cuban offers him an offer sheet either at the max or close to it! You can bet your house on that!

1. He never gets big name free agents to go there.
2. He wants to try and stick it to the Lakers.
3. Randle is from Dallas and that may sway him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject:

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I like his toughness. Hope he will spend many years on the Lakers.

We don't know for sure what other teams will offer at this point so why give him away for pennies on the dollar.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject:

I don’t see him getting a max. Not even Giannis did at the time (though Wiggins did). Maybe 13-15m.
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