This is not un-PC in places like Texas and Florida, but I'm a pro selective death penalty. If a terrorist, or a rapist or a child molester is caught alive I'm for ridding society of those scum.
I think I'm with you on this.
It's not un-PC or unpopular if you're talking about the country in general, men, or white people. Source: Pew Research
I'm sure both of you are aware that isn't how the death penalty works, either. There are significant delays and appeals. Effective drugs used to do the killing without torturing the prisoner aren't easily available to get, and in a lot of cases ineffective and cruel methods are used instead. There have been many people killed by the state that were innocent and likely-innocent. Those killed by the state are disproportionately people of color, so it's also a racist policy.
This is not un-PC in places like Texas and Florida, but I'm a pro selective death penalty. If a terrorist, or a rapist or a child molester is caught alive I'm for ridding society of those scum.
I think I'm with you on this.
It's not un-PC or unpopular if you're talking about the country in general, men, or white people. Source: Pew Research
I'm sure both of you are aware that isn't how the death penalty works, either. There are significant delays and appeals. Effective drugs used to do the killing without torturing the prisoner aren't easily available to get, and in a lot of cases ineffective and cruel methods are used instead. There have been many people killed by the state that were innocent and likely-innocent. Those killed by the state are disproportionately people of color, so it's also a racist policy.
I wasn't sure if this was a challenge these opinions thread, but yes.
When an innocent man dies, it's state sanctioned murder. I don't approve state sanctioned murder.
That Jesus is my Lord AND savior so I can't expect my views to fit into a PC culture mindset anyway. Funny enough, I may do more eye rolling over some of the "thanking God" comments than you'd think. So much so that the example above just made me keep typing just now and I hope some of it is useful Platnum.
Platnum, I don't think you're a D-bag for what you shared. I'd have to hear the exact comment, but there's a thin line between obeying God in them sharing the "good news" of Christ in anything and obeying the flesh and pushing our own agenda in the name of God. At that point, we're no better than Hollywood. It sounds like they're actually pushing their views to a point that even if they meant well in their mind they've created a stumbling block for that message by belittling your son's accomplishment and created an offense that isn't what God called them to do.
I don't even have a son, but if I did I'd hope that my life's testimony of depending on how great Christ is and how much I need Him would back any influence on my words. Then he'd see himself that he doesn't have to be guilted into giving God credit but would want to. I see the peace in my pastor's life that he preaches to his kids all the time and knows there is nothing in his own power that will open their eyes to Christ being real or having salvation in Him.
This pastor and I have similarities in that we both used to be the cliche youth leader that at times would play video games with the kids, start it with a biblical teaching to check a box and call it youth group. They weren't always like that, but my doctrine sucked and from his stories his did too. So recently he talks to this kid and shares his own story about how he cried out to God and was frustrated that the youth group wasn't flourishing and God hit his heart with the reality that it wasn't about the Lord any more but about himself. Ever since, God's message in Him is potent because of the humility of the past and how it isn't about him but God.
Basically, he was a Steven Furdick type that super soaks the crowd and gets them all reved up with entertainment and feelings and needed to hear something like what Matt Chandler shared in Furdick's own church:
We Christians do a lot of confusing things as we struggle with this battle of walking in the freedom and life God gave us and forgetting our mission, to show Him actively, not us. My pastor even shared that he got to sit down and talk to a guy that was once a kid in his youth group in the early years. He got to apologize for not being obedient to God and helping the kid more (something that I myself have struggled with, thinking when me and the other adults were tying in the "new" Avengers 1 movie for example to the armor of God and surface level teachings, how I'd apologize for not trusting God enough then). Well anyway, he actually got to the point where he had to be at peace with being a crappy teacher back then because it somehow led to the kid wanting a true Christ bad enough that he didn't want the garbage teachings.
So God's word DOES offend, but too often we as Christians offend when we don't have to or aren't called to. We want to force the issue, sometimes we feel obligated to slide God into something: an Avengers movie discussion or a karate tournament and don't think about just doing what's good and trusting God with the rest. So, I do pray that we as Christian live our lives out lovingly and people can't help but see "there's something different about them" and seek us for this Christ, rather than us pushing an agenda that isn't Him.
Thank you for sharing that, fsm. I appreciate the perspective. A simple thanks here and there, is sufficient. But yeah, when you're practically forcing it down other people's throats it's a little too much for me. _________________ "Dread it, run from it... destiny arrives all the same."
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:17 pm Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
I find it perfectly acceptable to refer to a mixed gender group of people as “guys”. As in an email ... “Hey Guys, I’ll be working from home today.”
Apparently, that is no longer appropriate. Oh well, sorry guys.
During undergraduate, I interviewed for a student government position, which took place over two rounds. In round one, I started my comments with "hey guys..." I thought it went well. Before round two, my friend -- one of the interviewers -- took me aside and told me that I should start off my next round with a "hey everyone" as "several" members felt that I was being "dismissive," "uninclusive," and a bunch of other nonsense.
Doesn't surprise me that it's spread to the workplace. After all, eventually people have to graduate and (presumably) enter the work force...
I find it perfectly acceptable to refer to a mixed gender group of people as “guys”. As in an email ... “Hey Guys, I’ll be working from home today.”
Apparently, that is no longer appropriate. Oh well, sorry guys.
During undergraduate, I interviewed for a student government position, which took place over two rounds. In round one, I started my comments with "hey guys..." I thought it went well. Before round two, my friend -- one of the interviewers -- took me aside and told me that I should start off my next round with a "hey everyone" as "several" members felt that I was being "dismissive," "uninclusive," and a bunch of other nonsense.
Doesn't surprise me that it's spread to the workplace. After all, eventually people have to graduate and (presumably) enter the work force...
I mean, I can see how guys can be considered informal. But, offensive? Jeebus. Cmon guys, we’re better than this!
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 pm Post subject:
Cutheon wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
I find it perfectly acceptable to refer to a mixed gender group of people as “guys”. As in an email ... “Hey Guys, I’ll be working from home today.”
Apparently, that is no longer appropriate. Oh well, sorry guys.
During undergraduate, I interviewed for a student government position, which took place over two rounds. In round one, I started my comments with "hey guys..." I thought it went well. Before round two, my friend -- one of the interviewers -- took me aside and told me that I should start off my next round with a "hey everyone" as "several" members felt that I was being "dismissive," "uninclusive," and a bunch of other nonsense.
Doesn't surprise me that it's spread to the workplace. After all, eventually people have to graduate and (presumably) enter the work force...
Look at this Yelp review. It's literally the stupidest Yelp review I've ever seen.
Quote:
Worst experience! Took the hubby out for a "supposedly" really nice dinner but was met by horrible mannerisms. Michelle our server called us "guys." The last time I checked - I am all female. Lol! She was rude and unpleasant. There is more... I paid $200 dollars for a meal and service that reminded me of Chili's service. The food is okay but the service killed our overall experience.
Joined: 10 Jul 2009 Posts: 12161 Location: Bay Area
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:32 pm Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
I find it perfectly acceptable to refer to a mixed gender group of people as “guys”. As in an email ... “Hey Guys, I’ll be working from home today.”
Apparently, that is no longer appropriate. Oh well, sorry guys.
During undergraduate, I interviewed for a student government position, which took place over two rounds. In round one, I started my comments with "hey guys..." I thought it went well. Before round two, my friend -- one of the interviewers -- took me aside and told me that I should start off my next round with a "hey everyone" as "several" members felt that I was being "dismissive," "uninclusive," and a bunch of other nonsense.
Doesn't surprise me that it's spread to the workplace. After all, eventually people have to graduate and (presumably) enter the work force...
I mean, I can see how guys can be considered informal. But, offensive? Jeebus. Cmon guys, we’re better than this!
Joined: 10 Jul 2009 Posts: 12161 Location: Bay Area
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
I find it perfectly acceptable to refer to a mixed gender group of people as “guys”. As in an email ... “Hey Guys, I’ll be working from home today.”
Apparently, that is no longer appropriate. Oh well, sorry guys.
During undergraduate, I interviewed for a student government position, which took place over two rounds. In round one, I started my comments with "hey guys..." I thought it went well. Before round two, my friend -- one of the interviewers -- took me aside and told me that I should start off my next round with a "hey everyone" as "several" members felt that I was being "dismissive," "uninclusive," and a bunch of other nonsense.
Doesn't surprise me that it's spread to the workplace. After all, eventually people have to graduate and (presumably) enter the work force...
Look at this Yelp review. It's literally the stupidest Yelp review I've ever seen.
Quote:
Worst experience! Took the hubby out for a "supposedly" really nice dinner but was met by horrible mannerisms. Michelle our server called us "guys." The last time I checked - I am all female. Lol! She was rude and unpleasant. There is more... I paid $200 dollars for a meal and service that reminded me of Chili's service. The food is okay but the service killed our overall experience.
My god. And there are some pretty stupid reviews on Yelp, man. Maybe the food was only okay, but to have the service "kill" (!) your overall experience because of the word guys...
people ascribe a lot of intentionality to things that are so innocent...she's serving tables, her mind's probably on autopilot when she's giving her opening spiel...
I find it perfectly acceptable to refer to a mixed gender group of people as “guys”. As in an email ... “Hey Guys, I’ll be working from home today.”
Apparently, that is no longer appropriate. Oh well, sorry guys.
During undergraduate, I interviewed for a student government position, which took place over two rounds. In round one, I started my comments with "hey guys..." I thought it went well. Before round two, my friend -- one of the interviewers -- took me aside and told me that I should start off my next round with a "hey everyone" as "several" members felt that I was being "dismissive," "uninclusive," and a bunch of other nonsense.
Doesn't surprise me that it's spread to the workplace. After all, eventually people have to graduate and (presumably) enter the work force...
Look at this Yelp review. It's literally the stupidest Yelp review I've ever seen.
Quote:
Worst experience! Took the hubby out for a "supposedly" really nice dinner but was met by horrible mannerisms. Michelle our server called us "guys." The last time I checked - I am all female. Lol! She was rude and unpleasant. There is more... I paid $200 dollars for a meal and service that reminded me of Chili's service. The food is okay but the service killed our overall experience.
My god. And there are some pretty stupid reviews on Yelp, man. Maybe the food was only okay, but to have the service "kill" (!) your overall experience because of the word guys...
people ascribe a lot of intentionality to things that are so innocent...she's serving tables, her mind's probably on autopilot when she's giving her opening spiel...
Even the dictionary definition says when used in plural form, it refers to a “group of people”.
How long will it take for people to run out of thing to get offended about?
I also heard that saying that something is “lame” is offensive. So lame!
And I think Aziz's behavior was excusable.
"Grace", in retrospect, feels like she was assaulted. So she was assaulted. Plain and simple.
But Aziz held no power over her (like a boss-employee relationship). He used no physical force. She was a fan of his. They went on a date. Afterward they went to his house, and he made a move on her. She said she felt pressured. And I'm sure she did feel that way.
I just don't think Aziz does anything sexual with her if he knew she felt assaulted. I think he would've asked her to leave. And probably felt rejected by her. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:20 am Post subject:
Ted wrote:
My hot take: Atheists are like millennials, constantly offended. Just live your life man.
Huh. It'd be interesting to see how you could corroborate such a generalization. If anything, it more aptly describes the atheist's adversary, today, and throughout history: the religious...the original snowflake SJW. Challenges to the prevailing orthodoxy got a bunch of people put to the stake/stoning pit/iron maiden/sword. Galileo, one of the all-time greatest minds ever produced by our species, was exiled for literally offending the church.
What's also odd about your take is that "just live your life, man" works as a perfect word-for-word essential credo for atheism. _________________ "All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers."
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My hot take: Atheists are like millennials, constantly offended. Just live your life man.
Huh. It'd be interesting to see how you could corroborate such a generalization. If anything, it more aptly describes the atheist's adversary, today, and throughout history: the devout religious...the original snowflake SJW. Challenges to the prevailing orthodoxy got a bunch of people put to the stake/stoning pit/iron maiden/sword.
What's also odd about your take is that "just live your life, man" works as a perfect word-for-word essential credo for atheism.
_________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov
My hot take: Atheists are like millennials, constantly offended. Just live your life man.
Huh. It'd be interesting to see how you could corroborate such a generalization. If anything, it more aptly describes the atheist's adversary, today, and throughout history: the religious...the original snowflake SJW. Challenges to the prevailing orthodoxy got a bunch of people put to the stake/stoning pit/iron maiden/sword. Galileo, one of the all-time greatest minds ever produced by our species, was exiled for literally offending the church.
What's also odd about your take is that "just live your life, man" works as a perfect word-for-word essential credo for atheism.
My agnostic credo is shut up creationists everyone always hears your loud opinions
Also shut up baby boomers instead of your stupid judgements how about you guys hand us a non dying planet
I think that the earth is becoming overpopulated and policies like China's two kid maximum are not bad ideas. _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:20 am Post subject:
Buck32 wrote:
This is not un-PC in places like Texas and Florida, but I'm a pro selective death penalty. If a terrorist, or a rapist or a child molester is caught alive I'm for ridding society of those scum.
I do not think many have an issue with that in a vacuum....the issue is who and how we decide who is a "terrorist, or a rapist or a child molester". Probably not shocking, but most "terrorist, rapist and child molesters" do not admit to that status upon being accused. Do not get me wrong, I am with your thoughts, but I recognize our system is imperfect in deciding guilt and innocence of the accused. I am confident we have punished many innocent people for terrorism, rape and child molestation....just as we have allowed many guilty of those crimes to walk free....and while the %'s of incorrect outcomes may be extremely small.....if your an innocent being punished....the %'s do not matter.
This is not un-PC in places like Texas and Florida, but I'm a pro selective death penalty. If a terrorist, or a rapist or a child molester is caught alive I'm for ridding society of those scum.
I do not think many have an issue with that in a vacuum....the issue is who and how we decide who is a "terrorist, or a rapist or a child molester". Probably not shocking, but most "terrorist, rapist and child molesters" do not admit to that status upon being accused. Do not get me wrong, I am with your thoughts, but I recognize our system is imperfect in deciding guilt and innocence of the accused. I am confident we have punished many innocent people for terrorism, rape and child molestation....just as we have allowed many guilty of those crimes to walk free....and while the %'s of incorrect outcomes may be extremely small.....if your an innocent being punished....the %'s do not matter.
To add to this four authors reviewed the outcomes of the 7,482 death sentences handed down from 1973 to 2004 with enough time and resources, the authors concluded that at least 4.1 percent of death row inmates would have been exonerated.
A decent amount of innocent people have been put to death which is enough for me to say get rid of the death penalty besides I dont like the idea of a government that has the power to kill its citizens
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