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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | IMO it's NY or bust if he wants to dream of being a "starter." |
NY may end up with Trey Young
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This late-season losing is greatly diminishing the chances that the Lakers want IT back next year on a deal that would appease him.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Isaiah will miss the next two games with hip soreness.
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Dang. Not good.
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| 32 wrote: | | Isaiah will miss the next two games with hip soreness. |
I wonder if he regrets forgoing the surgery and just trying to rehab his hip. Presumably, anyone looking at him as a free agent is going to wonder if he won't just need to have the procedure once he's secured his free agent deal (sort of what happened with Waiters).
Also, if Thomas, Hart and Ingram all come back around the same time this could just about end the IT as a Laker experience. I see Luke closing the season by giving minutes to core players and it's not clear if Thomas is going to be willing to play a bit role while also expose his potential injury issues further before free agency.
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| if it moves the needle closer to "no IT next season" in the minds of the FO, its all good. i care about the lakers more than his bank account. |
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| With the recent events of Thomas' hip acting up, I can't see him returning to the Lakers. He has been far better than anyone thought he would be after being the last guy drafted, but any injury that impacts his quickness will greatly reduce his effectiveness. At this point he is a 6th man at best and one that will give it away on the defensive end in the process. Just doesn't seem like a guy you pay too much money to. He really should have had the surgery would have been a better decision for him this seems like it will be there always. |
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| At first I kinda had the desire to bring him back cause of his Impact on the offensive end and Lonzo’s lack Of offensive game which would have helped Ball smoother his offensive development much more slower and easier. but now I don’t have that same feeling.. if he comesback and ends the season on a high note then maybe. but we aren’t bringing him back if the plan is LeBron/PG/Randle unless he’s willing to play for the room exception. |
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FWIW- from a poster on Boston's RealGM forum:
| Quote: | As I have repeatedly posted in the past, the congenital FAI (femoral acetabular impingement) was never addressed.
The original labral tear may be reoccurring with “use”.
Once again, I am an endocrinologist (not an orthopod), but very concerning.
Even if it is the contralateral hip, this is still very problematic. |
If true, that would line up with what some of the rumors floating around in LA that his hip issue may be degenerative and he's never going to fully recover.
I hope he gets paid big money by some bad team next year, but I wouldn't give him a long-term deal with the Lakers under any circumstance. They need to use cap space on true max players, and IT is not one of them. He's also a bad fit on offense and defense with this team. Plus, there's potential for his injury to be a long-term problem.
That makes 3 strikes. Three strikes and you're out. |
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IT is a competitor, but personally I don't like the "Mr Instructor" routine to his teammates. Once in a while is OK, but over the course of a long season that (bleep) gets tired.
Ask Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan if they miss playing with Chris Paul for instance. No one wants a tiny person yelling at them all the time.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | IT is a competitor, but personally I don't like the "Mr Instructor" routine to his teammates. Once in a while is OK, but over the course of a long season that (bleep) gets tired.
Ask Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan if they miss playing with Chris Paul for instance. No one wants a tiny person yelling at them all the time. |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | FWIW- from a poster on Boston's RealGM forum:
| Quote: | As I have repeatedly posted in the past, the congenital FAI (femoral acetabular impingement) was never addressed.
The original labral tear may be reoccurring with “use”.
Once again, I am an endocrinologist (not an orthopod), but very concerning.
Even if it is the contralateral hip, this is still very problematic. |
If true, that would line up with what some of the rumors floating around in LA that his hip issue may be degenerative and he's never going to fully recover.
I hope he gets paid big money by some bad team next year, but I wouldn't give him a long-term deal with the Lakers under any circumstance. They need to use cap space on true max players, and IT is not one of them. He's also a bad fit on offense and defense with this team. Plus, there's potential for his injury to be a long-term problem.
That makes 3 strikes. Three strikes and you're out. |
Yeah. This is a huge concern, and he's no spring chicken either. I don't think this gets BETTER over time.
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| adkindo wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | IT is a competitor, but personally I don't like the "Mr Instructor" routine to his teammates. Once in a while is OK, but over the course of a long season that (bleep) gets tired.
Ask Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan if they miss playing with Chris Paul for instance. No one wants a tiny person yelling at them all the time. |
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Fair points about the injury... cheap shots once again about his height
John Wooden was 5' 10
Jeff Van Gundy is 5 9
Someone said that CP3 and Harden healthy on the court were 35-1
It's the same type of chauvinistic crap that makes people think women are less capable of leading than men... but wouldn't most say we'd be better off with Merkel than Trump who just hired someone who might lead a new escalation of war?
When I saw his hip injury flare up again... I immediately conceded to Yinoma that it probably means we can't sign him to a long term contract.
No need to take cheap shots about his height. That was a relevant and important fact.
One diminishes themselves as a poster and makes their other opinions less convincing and powerful when they say such things imo. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Man, I've had an annoying hip flexor injury this week. So debilitating. Can't imagine the pain he must have been under trying to play NBA basketball. Not great at all. Just regained normal walking motion (mostly) after a week of taking it easy/stretching.
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Isaiah Thomas is not with the team in Detroit. He is on his way to meet with doctors to evaluate options for his hip.
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Hip soreness with IT, it's always best to go on the side of caution.
Doesn't help his "want to be a starter" prospects, but may feed very much into the "career 6th man from here on out" ones.
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| MJST wrote: | Hip soreness with IT, it's always best to go on the side of caution.
Doesn't help his "want to be a starter" prospects, but may feed very much into the "career 6th man from here on out" ones. |
I still like IT as a backup/mentor for Lonzo... but we can no longer afford to sign him for longer than a year unless he has the surgery and gets full clearance from his doctors. |
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| MJST wrote: | Hip soreness with IT, it's always best to go on the side of caution.
Doesn't help his "want to be a starter" prospects, but may feed very much into the "career 6th man from here on out" ones. |
It's not just caution for IT if he's going to meet with seperate doctors, to see if there's anything he can do to make it feel better. Sounds like if he plays again, he's not even going to look like what he did, in his best games with us |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn’t sound good. He might miss rest of season tbh.
Dude has to help himself. He wanted all those minutes, but sometimes it’s not in the best interest of your career. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | FWIW- from a poster on Boston's RealGM forum:
| Quote: | As I have repeatedly posted in the past, the congenital FAI (femoral acetabular impingement) was never addressed.
The original labral tear may be reoccurring with “use”.
Once again, I am an endocrinologist (not an orthopod), but very concerning.
Even if it is the contralateral hip, this is still very problematic. |
If true, that would line up with what some of the rumors floating around in LA that his hip issue may be degenerative and he's never going to fully recover.
I hope he gets paid big money by some bad team next year, but I wouldn't give him a long-term deal with the Lakers under any circumstance. They need to use cap space on true max players, and IT is not one of them. He's also a bad fit on offense and defense with this team. Plus, there's potential for his injury to be a long-term problem.
That makes 3 strikes. Three strikes and you're out. |
Yeah. This is a huge concern, and he's no spring chicken either. I don't think this gets BETTER over time. |
Bingo. No team is going to want to give him a long-term deal, as he's one bad movement/fall/etc from the contract becoming dead weight.
It sucks because IT played his heart out for the Cs last year, with their doctors reportedly telling him he couldn't do further damage to his hip by playing. That was at best a misdiagnosis and at worst a deliberate lie to induce him to play. It wouldn't be the first time a pro sports team treated one of their players like a disposable commodity.
If IT never regains form or gets a big payday, I wonder if he goes back and sues the Cs ? When his career is over, he'd have nothing to lose.
Hopefully some bad team pays him big $$$ this summer. I just don't want to see him with the Lakers next year on anything other than a 1 year deal, and I'm not even excited about that prospect, given how he impacts both our offense and defense. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Hip soreness with IT, it's always best to go on the side of caution.
Doesn't help his "want to be a starter" prospects, but may feed very much into the "career 6th man from here on out" ones. |
I still like IT as a backup/mentor for Lonzo... but we can no longer afford to sign him for longer than a year unless he has the surgery and gets full clearance from his doctors. |
At least there's a silver lining to this cloud. No more posts about why we need to sign IT to a long-term deal.
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IT's hip injury is one of the most tragic situations I have witnessed in a long time. His career could be over soon.
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Hip soreness with IT, it's always best to go on the side of caution.
Doesn't help his "want to be a starter" prospects, but may feed very much into the "career 6th man from here on out" ones. |
I still like IT as a backup/mentor for Lonzo... but we can no longer afford to sign him for longer than a year unless he has the surgery and gets full clearance from his doctors. |
Like I said a few days ago, the best case scenario for IT and for us is a 1+1 with a Team Option on the 2nd year.
A "Play for that second season" kind of year for him.
That season, after a full off-season to work on himself and get up to pace should answer enough questions about whether or not to bring him back afterwards.
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| MJST wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Hip soreness with IT, it's always best to go on the side of caution.
Doesn't help his "want to be a starter" prospects, but may feed very much into the "career 6th man from here on out" ones. |
I still like IT as a backup/mentor for Lonzo... but we can no longer afford to sign him for longer than a year unless he has the surgery and gets full clearance from his doctors. |
Like I said a few days ago, the best case scenario for IT and for us is a 1+1 with a Team Option on the 2nd year.
A "Play for that second season" kind of year for him.
That season, after a full off-season to work on himself and get up to pace should answer enough questions about whether or not to bring him back afterwards. |
Touch choice. On the one hand, we have his Bird rights so we could offer him a longer contract after a 1-year make good contract. On the other hand he won't be a starter unless Zo gets injured so his value would decrease.
I think he takes a chance with a make good contract with another team in need of a starting PG who don't mind his defensive weaknesses. Either that, he just say "f--- it" and coattails with a contender.
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | IT is a competitor, but personally I don't like the "Mr Instructor" routine to his teammates. Once in a while is OK, but over the course of a long season that (bleep) gets tired.
Ask Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan if they miss playing with Chris Paul for instance. No one wants a tiny person yelling at them all the time. |
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Fair points about the injury... cheap shots once again about his height
John Wooden was 5' 10
Jeff Van Gundy is 5 9
Someone said that CP3 and Harden healthy on the court were 35-1
It's the same type of chauvinistic crap that makes people think women are less capable of leading than men... but wouldn't most say we'd be better off with Merkel than Trump who just hired someone who might lead a new escalation of war?
When I saw his hip injury flare up again... I immediately conceded to Yinoma that it probably means we can't sign him to a long term contract.
No need to take cheap shots about his height. That was a relevant and important fact.
One diminishes themselves as a poster and makes their other opinions less convincing and powerful when they say such things imo. |
Except he IS short. It’s a big mans league and him being tiny greatly reduces his ability to play defense among other things that most basketball players can do. A player of his stature is an anomaly not the norm so there’s nothing wrong with pointing out his size as a shortcoming (pun intended).
When posters get their undies in a bunch and play LG poster cop, it severely diminishes their credibility as a poster...... |
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