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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:28 am    Post subject:

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I think it's possible that he will only cost a room exception or at most, a 1 year MLE (which we don't have).

Teams will be unlikely to give him a long term deal at big money.

However, if we get LBJ, he is 100% not coming back on this team. If we only get PG13, then we likely keep Deng, re-sign Jules, and IMO we focus the rest of the cap on Brook.

IT would have to take the room exception for 1 year.


That works...!


That's if we get no LBJ. I'm fine with him, assuming he's healthy, returning for a cheap 1 year room exception after we take care of PG/Jules/Brook first.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:14 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
I think it's possible that he will only cost a room exception or at most, a 1 year MLE (which we don't have).

Teams will be unlikely to give him a long term deal at big money.

However, if we get LBJ, he is 100% not coming back on this team. If we only get PG13, then we likely keep Deng, re-sign Jules, and IMO we focus the rest of the cap on Brook.

IT would have to take the room exception for 1 year.


That works...!


That's if we get no LBJ. I'm fine with him, assuming he's healthy, returning for a cheap 1 year room exception after we take care of PG/Jules/Brook first.



how would you know until you see how many games he plays and at what level

very risky...a min 1 year offer if he's serious about being a Laker

from Forbes today...

Isaiah Thomas

One Laker who may or may not become a former Laker shortly is Isaiah Thomas, who also went under the knife.

The diminutive guard is healing after hip surgery and pinky swears that he feels great.

I havenít been able to really workout & get better in over a year! Finally pain free. This is going to be fun!!! #ThatSLOWgrind

ó Isaiah Thomas (@isaiahthomas) May 16, 2018


Once thought of as a max player, his stint in Cleveland and subsequent surgery put in doubt his ability to garner a hefty payday.

My speculation is that he plays on a one-year contract to showcase his skills before heading back into free agency. That would make him a possibility to once again don purple and gold.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabezaldivar/2018/05/18/latest-lakers-rumors-on-lebron-james-paul-george-and-more/3/#312a16ed2de6
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:23 am    Post subject:

According to a survey by ESPN, Isaiah Thomas is the:

- 92nd most well known athlete in the world
- 13th most well known NBA player in the world, behind LeBron, Durant, Curry, Harden, Kyrie, Wade, Westbrook, Rose, Carmelo, Lillard, C Paul and B Griffin

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/23519390/espn-world-fame-100-2018

IMO that kind of brand power is important to the Laker organization. If we turn up in free agency in such a way that we don't have to release his apx $12 million cap hold I think there is a VERY good chance he is on the team next year.

Long live Isaiah "micro mamba" Thomas (mini was taken)
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:31 am    Post subject:

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According to a survey by ESPN, Isaiah Thomas is the:

- 92nd most well known athlete in the world
- 13th most well known NBA player in the world, behind LeBron, Durant, Curry, Harden, Kyrie, Wade, Westbrook, Rose, Carmelo, Lillard, C Paul and B Griffin

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/23519390/espn-world-fame-100-2018

IMO that kind of brand power is important to the Laker organization. If we turn up in free agency in such a way that we don't have to release his apx $12 million cap hold I think there is a VERY good chance he is on the team next year.

Long live Isaiah "micro mamba" Thomas (mini was taken)



Is the world confusing him with Kevin Hart?
Oddly interesting re: his fame, but I dont think the Lakers need IT's brand power. I mean... the Lakers?
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:54 am    Post subject:

James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Dwyane Wade
LeBron James

Only 6 players in the last ten years have averaged more PPG than IT last season.

He scored 50 in the playoffs only a year ago.

And some of you still think he's not good enough to be Lonzo's backup?

I don't care anything about his branding... I care we get people who can score.

IT might not be the same... but even if he's 25% less than 2017... he still outscores everyone on our team.

For a one year show me contract, it's hard to see many better than him.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:02 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Dwyane Wade
LeBron James

Only 6 players in the last ten years have averaged more PPG than IT last season.

He scored 50 in the playoffs only a year ago.

And some of you still think he's not good enough to be Lonzo's backup?

I don't care anything about his branding... I care we get people who can score.

IT might not be the same... but even if he's 25% less than 2017... he still outscores everyone on our team.

For a one year show me contract, it's hard to see many better than him.


Who thinks this?
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:06 am    Post subject:

defense wrote:
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James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Dwyane Wade
LeBron James

Only 6 players in the last ten years have averaged more PPG than IT last season.

He scored 50 in the playoffs only a year ago.

And some of you still think he's not good enough to be Lonzo's backup?

I don't care anything about his branding... I care we get people who can score.

IT might not be the same... but even if he's 25% less than 2017... he still outscores everyone on our team.

For a one year show me contract, it's hard to see many better than him.


Who thinks this?


Read through the thread and the free agent one... though resistance has been disappearing recently which is good.

LBJ still is first choice... but IT is a good backup plan if LBJ doesn't come
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:13 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Dwyane Wade
LeBron James

Only 6 players in the last ten years have averaged more PPG than IT last season.

He scored 50 in the playoffs only a year ago.

And some of you still think he's not good enough to be Lonzo's backup?

I don't care anything about his branding... I care we get people who can score.

IT might not be the same... but even if he's 25% of 2017... he still outscores everyone on our team.

For a one year show me contract, it's hard to see many better than him.


25% of 2017 is just over 7 points.
But seriously, if he's not who he was on offense, unfortunately his defense is such crap, that his overall production becomes moot no? His greatness on offense in 2017 was what made people overlook his defense.
How much is this show me contract by the way?

BTW, I'm ok with him being a backup at a low price.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:27 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Dwyane Wade
LeBron James

Only 6 players in the last ten years have averaged more PPG than IT last season.

He scored 50 in the playoffs only a year ago.

And some of you still think he's not good enough to be Lonzo's backup?

I don't care anything about his branding... I care we get people who can score.

IT might not be the same... but even if he's 25% of 2017... he still outscores everyone on our team.

For a one year show me contract, it's hard to see many better than him.


25% of 2017 is just over 7 points.
But seriously, if he's not who he was on offense, unfortunately his defense is such crap, that his overall production becomes moot no? His greatness on offense in 2017 was what made people overlook his defense.
How much is this show me contract by the way?

BTW, I'm ok with him being a backup at a low price.


Yeah I edited that... but what... 22 of 29 is still six points more than any of our youngsters. So even if you factor in a strong decline, he still would provide more offense than many being considered in his place.

I've been watching this playoffs with great interest... to see how Boston's athletic defensive perimeter players would cope with LBJ... and bottom line... the positionless player narrative just doesn't stop great offense... it will slow it down, and combined with offense like GSW, it can dominate... but the key is a combination of pure offense and switchable players.

Capela can't stop KD... Brown/Tatum/Horford/Rozier can't stop LBJ... Paul can't stop Curry...

You want a solid defensive foundation in place... but it must be accompanied by explosive not simply adequate offense.

Cleveland is somehow winning with JR Smith and Kevin Love... bottom line LBJ's offense overpowers even an athletic defense coached by Brad Stevens.

If we get LBJ, all of this conversation is moot. Looks like we already have PG... so that will get us to the next level if we can re-sign Brook.

However, if we don't... I'd take my chances on IT or even Boogie... as while they are capable of exploding for 30... most of the other candidates would rarely score 20.

Sign them for one year show me contracts if LBJ doesn't come. If they fail, we sign Kawhi next season. No risk experiment imo.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:29 pm    Post subject:

I donít think it has anything to do with laker fans not wanting him as a backup. I think most people wouldnít mind him as a backup...HE doesnít want to be Lonzos backup and heís said it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject:

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I donít think it has anything to do with laker fans not wanting him as a backup. I think most people wouldnít mind him as a backup...HE doesnít want to be Lonzos backup and heís said it.


Then we don't sign him... end of story.

All I'm saying is if he's open to it, and we don't sign LBJ... you take it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:54 pm    Post subject:

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PICKnPOP wrote:
I donít think it has anything to do with laker fans not wanting him as a backup. I think most people wouldnít mind him as a backup...HE doesnít want to be Lonzos backup and heís said it.


Then we don't sign him... end of story.

All I'm saying is if he's open to it, and we don't sign LBJ... you take it.


That's one qualifier.
The other is health.
You mentioned him being 75% IT.
We won't know if he is 40%, 70% or 100%.
I don't think we can treat that risk so casually. No one will know how healthy he will be.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
defense wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Dwyane Wade
LeBron James

Only 6 players in the last ten years have averaged more PPG than IT last season.

He scored 50 in the playoffs only a year ago.

And some of you still think he's not good enough to be Lonzo's backup?

I don't care anything about his branding... I care we get people who can score.

IT might not be the same... but even if he's 25% less than 2017... he still outscores everyone on our team.

For a one year show me contract, it's hard to see many better than him.


Who thinks this?


Read through the thread and the free agent one... though resistance has been disappearing recently which is good.

LBJ still is first choice... but IT is a good backup plan if LBJ doesn't come


Totally agree. It's going to be slim pickins for him anyway. If we don't get LBJ I could easily see Magic offering a 2 year deal for $24 million, and team option after one year. IT can't demand anything from any team. He has to prove himself again and he knows the system here and enjoyed his stay so I can see this happening...If no LBJ.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:16 pm    Post subject:

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2 year deal for $24 million


Even with a team option, it would be less. Maybe even in the room exception to MLE range. Dude just missed most of last season and had hip surgery. There aren't going to be many big money/long term offers.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject:

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2 year deal for $24 million


Even with a team option, it would be less. Maybe even in the room exception to MLE range. Dude just missed most of last season and had hip surgery. There aren't going to be many big money/long term offers.


Sounds good to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:47 am    Post subject:

What the....?

https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/1003707585537511424?s=21

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Letís do it lol

RT: Iím totally here for @boogiecousins and @isaiahthomas teaming up somewhere this offseason.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:51 am    Post subject:

Yeah let them both go to the Clippers
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:58 am    Post subject:

Jordan-esque wrote:
What the....?

https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/1003707585537511424?s=21

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Letís do it lol

RT: Iím totally here for @boogiecousins and @isaiahthomas teaming up somewhere this offseason.




They can rehab together elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:35 am    Post subject:

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What the....?

https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/1003707585537511424?s=21

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Letís do it lol

RT: Iím totally here for @boogiecousins and @isaiahthomas teaming up somewhere this offseason.


Sacramento has a nice ring to it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject:

this is what desperation looks like....just doubt there is a market for him this summer
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject:

Hope all the haters are getting they HATE on during hating hours lol...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:24 pm    Post subject:

Jordan-esque wrote:
What the....?

https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/1003707585537511424?s=21

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Letís do it lol

RT: Iím totally here for @boogiecousins and @isaiahthomas teaming up somewhere this offseason.

I mean, he did end it with Ēlol.Ē
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
Jordan-esque wrote:
What the....?

https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/1003707585537511424?s=21

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Letís do it lol

RT: Iím totally here for @boogiecousins and @isaiahthomas teaming up somewhere this offseason.

I mean, he did end it with Ēlol.Ē


yeah...IT is in favor of teaming up with just about anybody at this point I'm sure
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject:

i hope we can bring back IT on a 1 year deal after we lock up PG, Randle, and Lopez. if we can someone get KCP as well, i think we have a solid team. might need to trade 2 firsts + 1 second along with Deng to clear room for KCP. that is a good solid young core

ball
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IT
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:15 pm    Post subject:

BigBallerBrand wrote:
i hope we can bring back IT on a 1 year deal after we lock up PG, Randle, and Lopez. if we can someone get KCP as well, i think we have a solid team. might need to trade 2 firsts + 1 second along with Deng to clear room for KCP. that is a good solid young core

ball
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randle
lopez

IT
Kuzma
KCP
Bryant


why would we trade 1st for KCP. yeah we get rid of deng but if were trading 1st and deng its going to be so we can go after bigger names than KCP. dude is not worth 20m. maybe half that tbh. i dont see KCP being back
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