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| Did you love/hate the trade? |
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yinoma2001
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| Chronicle wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | Jr was my favorite on this current roster, but I understand it. He’s from Cle so no bitter feelings. |
His family lives there and it's where his dad played so maybe it's a great place for him |
Yeah. JC gets to play for a playoff team.
Nance will get TONS of love from the Cavs fans.
Will miss both but it is what it is.
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anth2000
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| I hate to see Larry go too but still, its gets an A |
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Wvc0925
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Magic salary dump special so just more wait and see |
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bandiger
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Its a shame cause I like Nance, didn't really care about JC at this point. We get to see if IT returns to "MVP" level, Frye can be a cheap option if Brook leaves, and we get a first round pick. Whats not to hate? I love it  |
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Dr. Funkbot
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:54 am Post subject: |
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I love Gary's game, I will miss him for sure. But the bright side is more PT for Kuzma who has not been getting enough lately.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:54 am Post subject: |
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It's a great trade. Can't believe we got a top 3 protected 1st. I have seen some nba experts today make comments that they believe the 2019 plan is a smoke screen. We have a lot of flexibility and more cap space. Our young core is still intact. Stay tuned...
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LAkers 4 Life
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| The true value of this trade is pending the moves made in the offseason, which seems to be the case with the Lakers the last several miserable years. |
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | It's a great trade. Can't believe we got a top 3 protected 1st. I have seen some nba experts today make comments that they believe the 2019 plan is a smoke screen. We have a lot of flexibility and more cap space. Our young core is still intact. Stay tuned... |
I mean it's not like the pick will turn into a top-3 pick so it's kind of a weird way of framing it. It's a late first... unless you are convinced the Cavs will combust but even then, dropping into the lottery? |
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Wvc0925
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:57 am Post subject: |
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C trade now but always wait and see moves which could
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | I hate to see Larry go too but still, its gets an A |
Yup. Cap space is a blessing, even if youdon't land a free agent this year. If we strike out, we will be one of the few teams who can take on money, which we can use to get more picks/players on short deals that can be traded at the deadline. One of the mistakes other teams have made in the past (Portland in the Roy/LMA era and the Celtics nearly did until last summer, is to hold on to all of your players too long/value them to highly. Sometimes you have to trade value to gain value. There are only so many Kings/Vlade's in the world and they are getting rarer to fleece. Philly, Boston, Houston all show that there are many avenues to rebuilding/retooling that are just sitting on young players and praying one turns to a superstar (The Philly approach has arguably been the least effective). |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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It gives us more room for FA's. I'm gonna miss Larry Nance. The pick isn't chopped liver in Jesse Buss' and Bill Bertka's hands. I'm cautiously optimistic on this trade.
But dang I'm gonna miss Gary Lance. And we're gonna miss his defense. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Without knowing JC's true value in the negotiations (was it positive or negative?) it's hard to really gauge if this was a win or not. Thomas clearly had negative value so I suspect those two balanced out somewhat. What's left is a future, potentially lottery 1st for Nance, which I don't think another team would have given up. |
It's the Cavs' 2018 first right? How is that a lottery pick?
I wouldn't have traded Nance for the 25th pick overall. Nance is what you hope the 25th pick turns into.
I was told that JC could be moved for expirings easily by this regime, so by their own word it's hard for me to get excited about one part that I feel neutral (salary dump of JC) and another part that I think is a bit wanting.
I'd give the trade a B-, but if JC's trade value were actually lower than two expirings (which I suspect it was) then I give it a B+.
Of course, these grades are contingent on what happens with the cap space. |
They're bunched together with a bunch of other .500-ish teams. I think it's unlikely they fall out because of the Lebron factor, but there's an always ankle sprain's chance.
Regarding JC's value, I think it was negative. There was that article from the Dallas writer a couple days ago that judged it the same. |
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | tox wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Without knowing JC's true value in the negotiations (was it positive or negative?) it's hard to really gauge if this was a win or not. Thomas clearly had negative value so I suspect those two balanced out somewhat. What's left is a future, potentially lottery 1st for Nance, which I don't think another team would have given up. |
It's the Cavs' 2018 first right? How is that a lottery pick?
I wouldn't have traded Nance for the 25th pick overall. Nance is what you hope the 25th pick turns into.
I was told that JC could be moved for expirings easily by this regime, so by their own word it's hard for me to get excited about one part that I feel neutral (salary dump of JC) and another part that I think is a bit wanting.
I'd give the trade a B-, but if JC's trade value were actually lower than two expirings (which I suspect it was) then I give it a B+.
Of course, these grades are contingent on what happens with the cap space. |
They're bunched together with a bunch of other .500-ish teams. I think it's unlikely they fall out because of the Lebron factor, but there's an always ankle sprain's chance.
Regarding JC's value, I think it was negative. There was that article from the Dallas writer a couple days ago that judged it the same. |
I agree on JC.
You're right about LeBron getting hurt and the pick turning into something really good. They're "only" 4 games ahead of the 9th seed. Still don't think the pick is *that* valuable but it's hard to judge high-value, low-probability events. |
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activeverb
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Was it a good trade? |
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| Captain America wrote: | I don’t see a specific thread discussing the trade so here goes:
Can someone please prove to me why this was a good trade on our end? My understanding is we got the Cavs first round pick (probably 25ish) which you would hope could one day turn into a player like Larry Nance. At the same time we lost Clarkson who had some value and was on a reasonable contract. Meanwhile we picked up a 5’9” team cancer who nobody wants and took on an overpayed Channing Frye. I just don’t understand the trade from our end. Perhaps I’m missing something? I’d like to hear the arguments on both sides. |
Seems like a trade that is in alignment with Magic & Co.'s strategy.
We traded a 6th man gunner (who I don't consider anything special) and a backup PF for a couple of expiring contracts that will create cap space to go after free agents next year and a pick.
If Thomas plays well, we can resign him or use him in a sign-and-trade to a capped out team that wants him. |
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crazylakerfan001
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I would have kept the team in tact and just added Paul George in free agency. Looks like Magic and Rob have other things planned. I would have atleast kept Nance who would still be on a cheap contract next year. |
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VicXLakers
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| bad move... |
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Lakers4Life33
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:08 pm Post subject: Overlooked Isaiah Thomas benefit |
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IT is expirirng, but he's a small expiring so his cap hold will roughly be $9-10 million the books should we choose to not renounce his rights. Haven't crunched the numbers but I believe a scenario exists where we can sign Paul George to a max, sign a middling FA to a value contract, and go over cap to retain Randle and IT(should he get heathy and prove he's worth keeping).
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bad move... |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Too early to say whether thomas is it, but I definitely like the idea of getting multiple solid players instead of spending all the money on one year of lebron
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activeverb
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Overlooked Isaiah Thomas benefit |
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| Lakers4Life33 wrote: | IT is expirirng, but he's a small expiring so his cap hold will roughly be $9-10 million the books should we choose to not renounce his rights. Haven't crunched the numbers but I believe a scenario exists where we can sign Paul George to a max, sign a middling FA to a value contract, and go over cap to retain Randle and IT(should he get heathy and prove he's worth keeping).
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That's true. Of course, it will be interesting to see if IT even gets an offer above the MLE (which is about $9.5 million). His cap hold might be his actual value. |
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Runway8
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Would be pretty good if IT was really IT, and there were plans to resign him. But he's damaged and 29 and won't be resigned. We essentially traded two young assets who we got late in the rounds but played near lottery value for a mid-twenties first round who you hope will be as good as one of them?
This is how I see the sacrifices so far, the ins and outs of young assets. No need to mention the fogeys (casualties of war). Also, I'm in the camp that says it was Hart and Bryant that was essentially in that deal, not Kuzma since we would have taken him with the 28th.
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Not great if you can't get super stars with that cap space. Eventually, the money will be spent, much like how Mitch and Jim just gave up. You can't keep holding onto cap space. Will they get super stars, or make lateral signings with that space? |
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daytripper
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakers acquired 2 entities that are in short supply on the trade market right now: capspace and a 1st round pick. In that regard it was an excellent deal. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | It gives us more room for FA's. I'm gonna miss Larry Nance. The pick isn't chopped liver in Jesse Buss' and Bill Bertka's hands. I'm cautiously optimistic on this trade.
But dang I'm gonna miss Gary Lance. And we're gonna miss his defense. |
The irony is that they kept on drafting so well in Kuz/Hart that they essentially became replacements for Nance/JC (who were also great late picks).
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| This ensures that LeBron won't be coming to the Lakers. He hated playing with IT, which is why the Cavs traded him. |
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yinoma2001
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| acer77 wrote: | | This ensures that LeBron won't be coming to the Lakers. He hated playing with IT, which is why the Cavs traded him. |
Um. IT is a rental. I doubt he will be back, especially if LBJ is coming.
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