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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
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The minimum salary for the incomplete roster charge is too low.

22. What is the minimum salary a player can receive?


For the current season:

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$815,615


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The minimum salary scale amounts for the 2017-18 season were negotiated into the agreement. For each subsequent season the minimum salary scale amounts are determined by applying the percentage change in the salary cap to the previous minimum salary scale amounts. For example, if the salary cap increases by 4% from 2017-18 to 2018-19, then all minimum salary scale amounts also will increase by 4% from 2017-18 to 2018-19.



These are the numbers and calculations that I used to determine the percentage change from the current salary cap to $101 million for next season.


$101,000,000 - $99,093,000 = $1,907,000

1.9245% change from $99,093,000 to $101,000,000

Then apply that 1.9245% increase to the current minimum salary of $815,615.


I came up with $831,311 for a minimum salary with a $101 million salary cap.


If I botched something in the calculations above, let me know.


You could be right. I am just using the Spotrac number, which is also where I am getting the current 2018 salaries, if they are wrong, i am low and available would drop a little, but not that much.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:31 pm    Post subject:

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One of the nuisances is that as you sign a FA, that hold disappears.

So in reality, it creates a bit more space.


Right. If you are looking at the amount you have to spend on 2 max contracts you should erase 2 of the 815K cap holds.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:40 pm    Post subject:

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Keeping Randle will be tough if we get 2 max FAs. Mavs will offer a good deal imo.


Feasible with Cousins& PG, 30M each, and 10M for Randle.

With LBJ, either each player takes less, or the team gets creative with Deng's contract. Or let Randle leave and resign Lopez for 1yr/5M with a wink.

If two max players commit, I can see Randle taking slightly less to stay. He could get higher annual raise to offset a lower first year.

One might argue that if LBJ& PG sign here, Lopez, with his size and shooting, is a better fit than Randle.

Another homerun or strikeout offseason.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:18 am    Post subject:

Can't we go completely over the cap at whatever #$ to re-sign Randle? Right
I think he gets about 15m per year... who knows though , maybe teams interested value shooting more, and only offer 12mil
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:00 am    Post subject:

awesome, can we sticky this so everyone can go back and have a look at this before doing some moonshot scenarios in the Free Agency Thread?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:39 am    Post subject:

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Can't we go completely over the cap at whatever #$ to re-sign Randle? Right
I think he gets about 15m per year... who knows though , maybe teams interested value shooting more, and only offer 12mil


Yeah, we can use all of our available cap space and then go over the cap and sign Julius, if he gets more money in the first year of his contract than his cap hold. We could also sign Brook Lopez to the room exception, in theory, after we've done all of that and gone over the cap.

It's possible to sign LeBron and PG to their full maxes (just a hair over $35MM for LeBron and just a hair over $30MM for PG) AND keep Randle, but only if we trade Deng without salary coming back. This is the path I favor, because I value Randle that much. (As opposed to saving the picks it would cost to move Deng. Because that means no Randle if you get LeBron and PG. Which I'm getting more confident of.) It would be possible to keep Randle and stretch Deng if you could get LeBron and/or PG to take a little bit less money.

Of course, if PG didn't opt out of his deal and if OKC traded him to us (like CP3 did last summer to the Rockets), that saves us nearly $10MM in cap space, meaning you could definitely keep Randle without having to trade Deng. And then you keep all those picks. Of course, OKC would require something in a sign-and-trade, but hopefully it wouldn't have to be a ton. Even if PG did that, creating the extra cap space for us, I wonder if we would still want to trade Deng without salary coming back, with the idea of still having enough cap space open to be able to trade one of our young pieces--I'm guessing Ingram--for another star making more money. It's also possible that we could use that $7.3MM or so in savings (if we traded Deng instead of stretching him) on signing another nice player to a good value contract.

Lastly, it's worth pointing out that PG and Randle share the same agent (hat tip to Omar for reminding me of this), so if PG opting into his $20.7MM salary allows his clients to both play for the Lakers, this could be something that isn't so farfetched.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:47 am    Post subject:

Ahhh nice post my friend.. that last paragraph.. yess yess.
What would we trade to OKC though... It'd essentially be a choice of what young player we want to sacfrice, Randle in free agency, or Hart+ in the trade . And how could we match salary to make the deal work?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:59 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Ahhh nice post my friend.. that last paragraph.. yess yess.
What would we trade to OKC though... It'd essentially be a choice of what young player we want to sacfrice, Randle in free agency, or Hart+ in the trade . And how could we match salary to make the deal work?


deng + 2 1st + scraps
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL 2018-19 CAP NUMBER

parsons777 wrote:
These numbers assume a $101 mill cap.

( I totally get that we have an official free agency thread, but if you put in a post like this it ends up in the middle of 1000 pages. This thread is about, and only about, our Cap number for this summer under various scenarios, merge if you must )

No stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR or IT ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$39 mill available

Deng 18
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
ITHold 9.39
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 1.70 ( incomplete roster hold, 2 spots )

No stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$47 mill available

Deng 18
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 2.55 ( incomplete roster hold, 3 spots )

Stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$57 mill available

Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 3.40 ( incomplete roster hold, 4 spots )

Stretch Deng, Renounce Everyone ( cut Ennis )
$68 mill available

Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 4.25 ( incomplete roster hold, 5 spots )

Trying for 3 Max, Trade Deng, Zo, Zu and TB with nothing coming back, renounce everyone, cut Ennis
$84 mill available - you still do not get there! But you get closeish

BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 6.60 ( incomplete roster hold, 8 spots )

Max Salaries
0-6 years 25% of cap=$25.25 mill
7-9 years 30% of cap=$30.30 mill
10+ years 35% of cap=$35.35 mill

Summer, 2018
PG13 8 years of service
Boogie 9 years of service
Bron 10+ years of service


Please check my figures.

Redoing with 1st round pick.

Updated incomplete roster hold to $850k


What's the numbers if we renounce our free agents, drop Ennis and Randle takes the qualifying offer?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL 2018-19 CAP NUMBER

Car54 wrote:
parsons777 wrote:
These numbers assume a $101 mill cap.

( I totally get that we have an official free agency thread, but if you put in a post like this it ends up in the middle of 1000 pages. This thread is about, and only about, our Cap number for this summer under various scenarios, merge if you must )

No stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR or IT ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$39 mill available

Deng 18
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
ITHold 9.39
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 1.70 ( incomplete roster hold, 2 spots )

No stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$47 mill available

Deng 18
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 2.55 ( incomplete roster hold, 3 spots )

Stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$57 mill available

Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 3.40 ( incomplete roster hold, 4 spots )

Stretch Deng, Renounce Everyone ( cut Ennis )
$68 mill available

Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 4.25 ( incomplete roster hold, 5 spots )

Trying for 3 Max, Trade Deng, Zo, Zu and TB with nothing coming back, renounce everyone, cut Ennis
$84 mill available - you still do not get there! But you get closeish

BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 6.60 ( incomplete roster hold, 8 spots )

Max Salaries
0-6 years 25% of cap=$25.25 mill
7-9 years 30% of cap=$30.30 mill
10+ years 35% of cap=$35.35 mill

Summer, 2018
PG13 8 years of service
Boogie 9 years of service
Bron 10+ years of service


Please check my figures.

Redoing with 1st round pick.

Updated incomplete roster hold to $850k


What's the numbers if we renounce our free agents, drop Ennis and Randle takes the qualifying offer?


I added that scenario with a Deng stretch. Basically, JR would take a $5.4 mill salary, which is 130% of his 4th year rookie deal, see NBA FAQ #47.

So, it adds $7 mill in available cap to all scenarios.

He would only do this, of course, if he could not find a team willing to pay what he thinks he is worth and wanted to become a UFA in 2019.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL 2018-19 CAP NUMBER

They haven't merged your thread, so far so good. Keep improving it then ask about getting placement at the top of the forum.


You are doing this in a spreadsheet?

Under each scenario, could you show the total for salaries and cap holds? You are giving the cap space number at the top of each scenario, so you already have the number for the salaries and cap holds.


In some instances Deng is stretched and there is another with him at his full regular salary. Could you put a notation or symbol to differentiate when he is stretched and when he isn't?

Examples would be "***" or "(stretched)".
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject:

parsons777 wrote:
Arbitrary wrote:
Someone please work out a deal where LBJ and PG get paid with no/minimal paycuts while Keeping Randle, Ingram, Kuzma, and Ball.

Seems to be a roster with a lot of ring chasers, but I'm not a salary cap guru.


Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
JRHold 12.45
1stRound 1.31
IncRoster582k 2.91 ( 5 spots )
Bron 35.35
PG13 25.25

$92 mill total, assuming we sign JR AFTER we sign Bron/PG13


Wrong numbers, PG is 30.3 not 25, so we can't do without other moves.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject:

parsons777 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
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ncRoster582k



The minimum salary for the incomplete roster charge is too low.

22. What is the minimum salary a player can receive?


For the current season:

Quote:

$815,615


Quote:

The minimum salary scale amounts for the 2017-18 season were negotiated into the agreement. For each subsequent season the minimum salary scale amounts are determined by applying the percentage change in the salary cap to the previous minimum salary scale amounts. For example, if the salary cap increases by 4% from 2017-18 to 2018-19, then all minimum salary scale amounts also will increase by 4% from 2017-18 to 2018-19.



These are the numbers and calculations that I used to determine the percentage change from the current salary cap to $101 million for next season.


$101,000,000 - $99,093,000 = $1,907,000

1.9245% change from $99,093,000 to $101,000,000

Then apply that 1.9245% increase to the current minimum salary of $815,615.


I came up with $831,311 for a minimum salary with a $101 million salary cap.


If I botched something in the calculations above, let me know.


You could be right. I am just using the Spotrac number, which is also where I am getting the current 2018 salaries, if they are wrong, i am low and available would drop a little, but not that much.


Wrong data, are from former CBA, not present one.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject:

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Can't we go completely over the cap at whatever #$ to re-sign Randle? Right
I think he gets about 15m per year... who knows though , maybe teams interested value shooting more, and only offer 12mil


Wrong. Even if we sign him for last, since then his cap hold would occupy 12.5 millions that would prevent us from signing two max.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL 2018-19 CAP NUMBER

Car54 wrote:
parsons777 wrote:
These numbers assume a $101 mill cap.

( I totally get that we have an official free agency thread, but if you put in a post like this it ends up in the middle of 1000 pages. This thread is about, and only about, our Cap number for this summer under various scenarios, merge if you must )

No stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR or IT ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$39 mill available

Deng 18
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
ITHold 9.39
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 1.70 ( incomplete roster hold, 2 spots )

No stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$47 mill available

Deng 18
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 2.55 ( incomplete roster hold, 3 spots )

Stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$57 mill available

Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 3.40 ( incomplete roster hold, 4 spots )

Stretch Deng, Renounce Everyone ( cut Ennis )
$68 mill available

Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 4.25 ( incomplete roster hold, 5 spots )

Trying for 3 Max, Trade Deng, Zo, Zu and TB with nothing coming back, renounce everyone, cut Ennis
$84 mill available - you still do not get there! But you get closeish

BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
1stRd 1.31
IncRoster850k 6.60 ( incomplete roster hold, 8 spots )

Max Salaries
0-6 years 25% of cap=$25.25 mill
7-9 years 30% of cap=$30.30 mill
10+ years 35% of cap=$35.35 mill

Summer, 2018
PG13 8 years of service
Boogie 9 years of service
Bron 10+ years of service


Please check my figures.

Redoing with 1st round pick.

Updated incomplete roster hold to $850k


What's the numbers if we renounce our free agents, drop Ennis and Randle takes the qualifying offer?


The same, because FA are already renounced and Ennis dropped in this calculations.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject:

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe we can have ~66.5 million in cap room if we trade Deng for no salary coming back.

Randle - 12.45
Lonzo - 7.46
Ingram - 5.75
Kuzma - 1.69
Hart - 1.65
Bryant - 1.38
Min Roster Holds: 4.15 (5 x 831k)

(We don't have to account for Roster Holds for the 2 maxes)

Total = 34.53

2 Max (30% + 35%) = 30.3 + 35.4 = 65.7

Total = 100.2M

I believe Caruso's cap hold if keep him on his 2-way for the rest of this season before signing him in offseason would be about 500k above minimum? So he fits. Unsure about that, though.

Room Exception + Vet mins + 2ways + 2nd round pick(s) for the rest of the slots.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:38 pm    Post subject:

This salary cap analysis is very interesting for once a team gets over the cap it will be difficult to sign FA players due to the rules.
Can only go over the cap to sign present team players.
So it is very foolish to give up assets and young players to dump salaries as they will be good players coming in at a low salary.
So the best way to get rid of Deng is to stretch him next year or when you need salary cap space.
Per the analysis, 39M will open up next year. So this is enough to offer Paul George the max at 30M. And still leave enough to sign
Lopez at 9M+ year if he will take it.
This seems like the smartest and safest way to go. And if have to stretch Deng to keep Lopez can do so also.
And can go over the cap a little to sign Randle and IT if he proves to be worth it.
And KCP would be the other option if PG does not sign.
And still leave room for another max FA in 2019 when they are younger with more upside.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:07 pm    Post subject:

incontrol__ wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe we can have ~66.5 million in cap room if we trade Deng for no salary coming back.

Randle - 12.45
Lonzo - 7.46
Ingram - 5.75
Kuzma - 1.69
Hart - 1.65
Bryant - 1.38
Min Roster Holds: 4.15 (5 x 831k)

(We don't have to account for Roster Holds for the 2 maxes)

Total = 34.53

2 Max (30% + 35%) = 30.3 + 35.4 = 65.7

Total = 100.2M

I believe Caruso's cap hold if keep him on his 2-way for the rest of this season before signing him in offseason would be about 500k above minimum? So he fits. Unsure about that, though.

Room Exception + Vet mins + 2ways + 2nd round pick(s) for the rest of the slots.


As much as I want our scouting department to nail another late 20s pick, I think this is the ideal scenario for us.

Shipping Deng+Zubac+2018 Cavs+2018 Nuggets+2020 Lakers Protected for pure cap space puts us here.

With that said, does any CBZ wizards out there: if we renounce Brook Lopez and bring him back with room exception, do we keep his bird rights for the 2019 off-season?

PG - Lonzo / Caruso
SG- George / Hart
SF - Ingram / Vet
PF - LeBron / Kuzma
C - Lopez / Randle

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject:

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Can't we go completely over the cap at whatever #$ to re-sign Randle? Right
I think he gets about 15m per year... who knows though , maybe teams interested value shooting more, and only offer 12mil


Yeah, we can use all of our available cap space and then go over the cap and sign Julius, if he gets more money in the first year of his contract than his cap hold. We could also sign Brook Lopez to the room exception, in theory, after we've done all of that and gone over the cap.

It's possible to sign LeBron and PG to their full maxes (just a hair over $35MM for LeBron and just a hair over $30MM for PG) AND keep Randle, but only if we trade Deng without salary coming back. This is the path I favor, because I value Randle that much. (As opposed to saving the picks it would cost to move Deng. Because that means no Randle if you get LeBron and PG. Which I'm getting more confident of.) It would be possible to keep Randle and stretch Deng if you could get LeBron and/or PG to take a little bit less money.

Of course, if PG didn't opt out of his deal and if OKC traded him to us (like CP3 did last summer to the Rockets), that saves us nearly $10MM in cap space, meaning you could definitely keep Randle without having to trade Deng. And then you keep all those picks. Of course, OKC would require something in a sign-and-trade, but hopefully it wouldn't have to be a ton. Even if PG did that, creating the extra cap space for us, I wonder if we would still want to trade Deng without salary coming back, with the idea of still having enough cap space open to be able to trade one of our young pieces--I'm guessing Ingram--for another star making more money. It's also possible that we could use that $7.3MM or so in savings (if we traded Deng instead of stretching him) on signing another nice player to a good value contract.

Lastly, it's worth pointing out that PG and Randle share the same agent (hat tip to Omar for reminding me of this), so if PG opting into his $20.7MM salary allows his clients to both play for the Lakers, this could be something that isn't so farfetched.


If OKC wants to do a sign-and-trade, they can have Deng. If PG is already determined to come to the Lakers regardless of the price, OKC really doesn't have much to bargain in this era of the salary cap. Also, screw OKC.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject:

Lakers4Life33 wrote:
incontrol__ wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe we can have ~66.5 million in cap room if we trade Deng for no salary coming back.

Randle - 12.45
Lonzo - 7.46
Ingram - 5.75
Kuzma - 1.69
Hart - 1.65
Bryant - 1.38
Min Roster Holds: 4.15 (5 x 831k)

(We don't have to account for Roster Holds for the 2 maxes)

Total = 34.53

2 Max (30% + 35%) = 30.3 + 35.4 = 65.7

Total = 100.2M

I believe Caruso's cap hold if keep him on his 2-way for the rest of this season before signing him in offseason would be about 500k above minimum? So he fits. Unsure about that, though.

Room Exception + Vet mins + 2ways + 2nd round pick(s) for the rest of the slots.


As much as I want our scouting department to nail another late 20s pick, I think this is the ideal scenario for us.

Shipping Deng+Zubac+2018 Cavs+2018 Nuggets+2020 Lakers Protected for pure cap space puts us here.

With that said, does any CBZ wizards out there: if we renounce Brook Lopez and bring him back with room exception, do we keep his bird rights for the 2019 off-season?


Yes
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject:

LAkers 4 Life wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Can't we go completely over the cap at whatever #$ to re-sign Randle? Right
I think he gets about 15m per year... who knows though , maybe teams interested value shooting more, and only offer 12mil


Yeah, we can use all of our available cap space and then go over the cap and sign Julius, if he gets more money in the first year of his contract than his cap hold. We could also sign Brook Lopez to the room exception, in theory, after we've done all of that and gone over the cap.

It's possible to sign LeBron and PG to their full maxes (just a hair over $35MM for LeBron and just a hair over $30MM for PG) AND keep Randle, but only if we trade Deng without salary coming back. This is the path I favor, because I value Randle that much. (As opposed to saving the picks it would cost to move Deng. Because that means no Randle if you get LeBron and PG. Which I'm getting more confident of.) It would be possible to keep Randle and stretch Deng if you could get LeBron and/or PG to take a little bit less money.

Of course, if PG didn't opt out of his deal and if OKC traded him to us (like CP3 did last summer to the Rockets), that saves us nearly $10MM in cap space, meaning you could definitely keep Randle without having to trade Deng. And then you keep all those picks. Of course, OKC would require something in a sign-and-trade, but hopefully it wouldn't have to be a ton. Even if PG did that, creating the extra cap space for us, I wonder if we would still want to trade Deng without salary coming back, with the idea of still having enough cap space open to be able to trade one of our young pieces--I'm guessing Ingram--for another star making more money. It's also possible that we could use that $7.3MM or so in savings (if we traded Deng instead of stretching him) on signing another nice player to a good value contract.

Lastly, it's worth pointing out that PG and Randle share the same agent (hat tip to Omar for reminding me of this), so if PG opting into his $20.7MM salary allows his clients to both play for the Lakers, this could be something that isn't so farfetched.


If OKC wants to do a sign-and-trade, they can have Deng. If PG is already determined to come to the Lakers regardless of the price, OKC really doesn't have much to bargain in this era of the salary cap. Also, screw OKC.


No, you have to be realistic. They aren't going to do that. They have to get something to make it worth their while. It's a trade, so there is no reason for them to do it unless they at least get something back that they would otherwise not be able to get if PG just signed with us outright. To respond to KIROE from before, I don't think we would have to give them something as good as Hart. I think the Lakers would be thinking of something like Zubac and a couple of 2nd rounders. If that wasn't enough, I'd float the idea of a future 1st round pick, and not the CLE 2018 pick. If they insisted on Thomas Bryant instead of Zu, I would go ahead and do that, though I like Bryant's potential more than Zu's at this point.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject:

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Can't we go completely over the cap at whatever #$ to re-sign Randle? Right
I think he gets about 15m per year... who knows though , maybe teams interested value shooting more, and only offer 12mil


Yeah, we can use all of our available cap space and then go over the cap and sign Julius, if he gets more money in the first year of his contract than his cap hold. We could also sign Brook Lopez to the room exception, in theory, after we've done all of that and gone over the cap.

It's possible to sign LeBron and PG to their full maxes (just a hair over $35MM for LeBron and just a hair over $30MM for PG) AND keep Randle, but only if we trade Deng without salary coming back. This is the path I favor, because I value Randle that much. (As opposed to saving the picks it would cost to move Deng. Because that means no Randle if you get LeBron and PG. Which I'm getting more confident of.) It would be possible to keep Randle and stretch Deng if you could get LeBron and/or PG to take a little bit less money.

Of course, if PG didn't opt out of his deal and if OKC traded him to us (like CP3 did last summer to the Rockets), that saves us nearly $10MM in cap space, meaning you could definitely keep Randle without having to trade Deng. And then you keep all those picks. Of course, OKC would require something in a sign-and-trade, but hopefully it wouldn't have to be a ton. Even if PG did that, creating the extra cap space for us, I wonder if we would still want to trade Deng without salary coming back, with the idea of still having enough cap space open to be able to trade one of our young pieces--I'm guessing Ingram--for another star making more money. It's also possible that we could use that $7.3MM or so in savings (if we traded Deng instead of stretching him) on signing another nice player to a good value contract.

Lastly, it's worth pointing out that PG and Randle share the same agent (hat tip to Omar for reminding me of this), so if PG opting into his $20.7MM salary allows his clients to both play for the Lakers, this could be something that isn't so farfetched.


If OKC wants to do a sign-and-trade, they can have Deng. If PG is already determined to come to the Lakers regardless of the price, OKC really doesn't have much to bargain in this era of the salary cap. Also, screw OKC.


No, you have to be realistic. They aren't going to do that. They have to get something to make it worth their while. It's a trade, so there is no reason for them to do it unless they at least get something back that they would otherwise not be able to get if PG just signed with us outright. To respond to KIROE from before, I don't think we would have to give them something as good as Hart. I think the Lakers would be thinking of something like Zubac and a couple of 2nd rounders. If that wasn't enough, I'd float the idea of a future 1st round pick, and not the CLE 2018 pick. If they insisted on Thomas Bryant instead of Zu, I would go ahead and do that, though I like Bryant's potential more than Zu's at this point.


I know. I'd just like to see some karmic payback for these small market teams whining about the Lakers but have their hands out when it came to LA paying the luxury tax. At this point Zubac doesn't look to have a role on the team. I don't think it'd be prudent to trade away any draft picks. Lakers should hold on to as many tradeable assets for building up the team's depth, but moving other players already on the team with no role would be fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject:

We need this $ number info page, can we sticky the first page?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:19 pm    Post subject:

It appears to be about six main scenarios.

Would you have enough space to treat each scenario as a column with the dfferent criteria bolded at the top of each column?

It would be laid out similar to a spreadsheet.
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