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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

Traded with 2018 1st and 2020 1st and misc pieces (cap holds?) for Lebron.
Why?

Lakers may be the most logical place for Lebron because Lebron + PG would make Lakers legitimate contender.
Cavs may as well get 2 1st round picks (even if low).
Lakers clear Deng salary totally so Lebron and PG can get their max contracts while keeping Randle.
May be 2022 1st round pick also.
OKC would consider trading PG because they want the 2 picks but ultimately refuse to take on the Deng salary.

This assumes BI continues to play as least as well.
Ball comes back and plays as well as before injury.
No major injuries.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

cal1piggy wrote:
Traded with 2018 1st and 2020 1st and misc pieces (cap holds?) for Lebron.
Why?

Lakers may be the most logical place for Lebron because Lebron + PG would make Lakers legitimate contender.
Cavs may as well get 2 1st round picks (even if low).
Lakers clear Deng salary totally so Lebron and PG can get their max contracts while keeping Randle.
May be 2022 1st round pick also.
OKC would consider trading PG because they want the 2 picks but ultimately refuse to take on the Deng salary.

This assumes BI continues to play as least as well.
Ball comes back and plays as well as before injury.
No major injuries.


What would Cavs get to do it?
In your example nothing, they would only get Deng.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:13 pm    Post subject:

salary dump going to chicago
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

rogers49 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Traded with 2018 1st and 2020 1st and misc pieces (cap holds?) for Lebron.
Why?

Lakers may be the most logical place for Lebron because Lebron + PG would make Lakers legitimate contender.
Cavs may as well get 2 1st round picks (even if low).
Lakers clear Deng salary totally so Lebron and PG can get their max contracts while keeping Randle.
May be 2022 1st round pick also.
OKC would consider trading PG because they want the 2 picks but ultimately refuse to take on the Deng salary.

This assumes BI continues to play as least as well.
Ball comes back and plays as well as before injury.
No major injuries.


What would Cavs get to do it?
In your example nothing, they would only get Deng.


they would lose lebron anyway.
if they help, then they get 2 1st round picks (2018, 2020) and a cap hold that they may want.
for example, kcp's cap hold ?
am i right that can be traded?
this happened during the 'decision' also
deng may be useful after all.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:24 pm    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
salary dump going to chicago


good point but i think lebron would want cav's to get something when he leaves.
cavs do have competition for the 2 1st rounds so we have more leverage.
possibly indianapolis also


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject:

Deng and Cav's 1st round pick to Dallas, Chicago, Sacramento, or Hawks for a 2nd rounder pick/s. Rebuilding teams won't be big players in free agency and a having extra first rounders is a must in the new CBA. Lakers might have to throw in a future first rounder but, I'm much more confident the Lakers will be able to trade that Deng contract now.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:30 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject:

Deng + Randle(S&T) + Zubac + 2019 First + 2021 First + (2) Second Rounders.....For LBJ
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject:

Maginka wrote:
Deng + Randle(S&T) + Zubac + 2019 First + 2021 First + (2) Second Rounders.....For LBJ


if we are willing to let randle go, we dont need to give away 2 1st, 2 2nd.

stretching deng and releasing randle will get us close to 70m in cap space.
ball + kuz + bi + hart + stretched deng = ~24m
if we keep byrant and zubac, we are up to $26.5m.
assuming you sign 2 max, we need 3 min salaries, so up to 29m
that leaves us with $71M for 2 max
2 max = 67m
4m left for additional player

the whole point is to have young core of 4+hart - ball/bi/jr/kuz/hart
so cavs have little leverage once and if lebron picks lakers
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:54 pm    Post subject:

Maginka wrote:
Deng + Randle(S&T) + Zubac + 2019 First + 2021 First + (2) Second Rounders.....For LBJ


Do it Maginka!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

cal1piggy wrote:
Traded with 2018 1st and 2020 1st and misc pieces (cap holds?) for Lebron.


deng for LeBron? yea I stopped reading after that sentence
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

999 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Traded with 2018 1st and 2020 1st and misc pieces (cap holds?) for Lebron.


deng for LeBron? yea I stopped reading after that sentence


u kind of need to read the fineprint
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

cal1piggy wrote:
Traded with 2018 1st and 2020 1st and misc pieces (cap holds?) for Lebron.
Why?

Lakers may be the most logical place for Lebron because Lebron + PG would make Lakers legitimate contender.
Cavs may as well get 2 1st round picks (even if low).
Lakers clear Deng salary totally so Lebron and PG can get their max contracts while keeping Randle.
May be 2022 1st round pick also.
OKC would consider trading PG because they want the 2 picks but ultimately refuse to take on the Deng salary.

This assumes BI continues to play as least as well.
Ball comes back and plays as well as before injury.
No major injuries.




If Lebron makes it clear he is coming here anyway, the Cavs might do what they did with Miami -- trade him for some draft picks. That way we'd get his Bird rights and could pay him a larger salary. But I don't see the Cavs taking on a bad contract.

I believe that the Cavs are in repeater tax territory, so taking on Deng would cost them a ridiculous amount -- like $70 million when all the penalties are added on. I could see them paying the tax for Lebron; don't see them doing it for two picks that will probably be low.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject:

Maginka wrote:
Deng + Randle(S&T) + Zubac + 2019 First + 2021 First + (2) Second Rounders.....For LBJ


We don't have to give all that for someone who's already leaving. That might land you a disgruntled Kawhi.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

activeverb wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Traded with 2018 1st and 2020 1st and misc pieces (cap holds?) for Lebron.
Why?

Lakers may be the most logical place for Lebron because Lebron + PG would make Lakers legitimate contender.
Cavs may as well get 2 1st round picks (even if low).
Lakers clear Deng salary totally so Lebron and PG can get their max contracts while keeping Randle.
May be 2022 1st round pick also.
OKC would consider trading PG because they want the 2 picks but ultimately refuse to take on the Deng salary.

This assumes BI continues to play as least as well.
Ball comes back and plays as well as before injury.
No major injuries.




If Lebron makes it clear he is coming here anyway, the Cavs might do what they did with Miami -- trade him for some draft picks. That way we'd get his Bird rights and could pay him a larger salary. But I don't see the Cavs taking on a bad contract.

I believe that the Cavs are in repeater tax territory, so taking on Deng would cost them a ridiculous amount -- like $70 million when all the penalties are added on. I could see them paying the tax for Lebron; don't see them doing it for two picks that will probably be low.


if cavs dont take bad contract, then it becomes much less attractive.
the only difference is $5M between randle/pg/lebron

we can probably trade deng for 2018 1st and 2020 1st to Bulls or Atlanta.
So cavs has competition.
Their edge in getting the deal is Lebron wants to give his hometown something when he leaves again
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject:

deal wrote:
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

cal1piggy wrote:

if cavs dont take bad contract, then it becomes much less attractive.
the only difference is $5M between randle/pg/lebron

we can probably trade deng for 2018 1st and 2020 1st to Bulls or Atlanta.
So cavs has competition.
Their edge in getting the deal is Lebron wants to give his hometown something when he leaves again


Again, you are overlooking the salary tax implications of the Cavs taking on Deng's contract.

I doubt the Cavs are going to pay $70 million in Deng's salary and penalties for a couple of low first-round picks.

If anything, if Lebron leaves I could see them going the other direction and shedding salary.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

activeverb wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:

if cavs dont take bad contract, then it becomes much less attractive.
the only difference is $5M between randle/pg/lebron

we can probably trade deng for 2018 1st and 2020 1st to Bulls or Atlanta.
So cavs has competition.
Their edge in getting the deal is Lebron wants to give his hometown something when he leaves again


Again, you are overlooking the salary tax implications of the Cavs taking on Deng's contract.

I doubt the Cavs are going to pay $70 million for a couple of low first-round picks.

If anything, if Lebron leaves I could see them going the other direction and shedding salary.


i am not sure on the rules, but i think you can trade cap hold players also?
deng accounts for 18m
then you have another 17-21m remaining because of their trade exception?
that could get them another player if correct
perhaps kcp's rights if it is relevant
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Prediction - ultimate fate of Deng

cal1piggy wrote:
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cal1piggy wrote:

if cavs dont take bad contract, then it becomes much less attractive.
the only difference is $5M between randle/pg/lebron

we can probably trade deng for 2018 1st and 2020 1st to Bulls or Atlanta.
So cavs has competition.
Their edge in getting the deal is Lebron wants to give his hometown something when he leaves again


Again, you are overlooking the salary tax implications of the Cavs taking on Deng's contract.

I doubt the Cavs are going to pay $70 million for a couple of low first-round picks.

If anything, if Lebron leaves I could see them going the other direction and shedding salary.


i am not sure on the rules, but i think you can trade cap hold players also?
deng accounts for 18m
then you have another 17-21m remaining because of their trade exception?
that could get them another player if correct
perhaps kcp's rights if it is relevant


No offense, but you don't know the trade rules.

The bottom line is if they trade Lebron for players, the Cavs will pay a huge amount in tax. You eitther get that or you don't. If you don't, there's not much more to say.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject:

Eindhoven wrote:
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:11 pm    Post subject:

If I'm the Cavs I'd do it. Instead of losing LeBron for nothing I'd rather trade LeBron for 2 picks and get back a big contract that I can flip at the 2020 trade deadline for a bad contract or two and an additional pick.

Cavs will have a good amount of picks to rebuild if they do this, if they draft right and flip deng for some decent players they will have enough room to sign 3 max players in 2020, Giannis is a FA after 2020.......
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject:

Deng doesn't get moved unless both PG13 and LBJ come here. Then we use Deng and 2 first rounders to a team like Bulls, Atlanta, etc.
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