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HOF Rookie Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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lakez34 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | lakez34 wrote: | HOF Rookie wrote: | lakez34 wrote: | Have to adjust your entire D to support him. All of. our switching D isn't going to work. Gotta be a lot of players cheating to help and quick rotations on switches. That's how Boston did it last year. |
he's not worth all that effort. he's not gonna be on the squad next year. rather run caruso out there for 15 minutes than give IT 30. |
Could be a good eventual 6th man type for a team. Quick offense a la Lou. He doesn't want that now but eventually he may realize that's the ideal role. Might as well tinker with different lineups while he's out there on the squad. Doubt a team is overpaying for him this summer. |
he's not worth it. your defense suffers, and you aren't able to run out and get easy buckets because you don't get stops/rebounds.
he's always going to get targeted. |
Depends on how much he gets paid and how many mins he's given. Think in limited mins off the bench he'd be fine. |
he's not gonna sign somewhere to play a dozen minutes a game. we can spend our money better. |
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mookielala Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm no expert, but it seems obvious we can't switch all the time like we do when IT is out there. He can only (barely) defend small guards. Even then, he's going to look tiny. |
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dao Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'd rather see our young core getting those touches and minutes tbh. |
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FreakofNature Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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If only he could be at least average on defense......He is so very tiny! |
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CHRISTYLE70 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Play zone for stretches when hes on the floor to disrupt the repeated attacking of him by picks. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
Joined: 24 Jan 2018 Posts: 15430
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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ITs life as a lakers should be remaining games & thats it |
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FreakofNature Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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dao wrote: | I'd rather see our young core getting those touches and minutes tbh. |
When Ball is back Hart will get his minutes cut big time. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Either way we need better rim protection. We also need to develop Zubac more for the rest of the season until we can do better. |
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lakez34 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Definitely need more rim protection. |
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Treble Clef Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's just a coincidence that the other team shot well in his first game. There have been about 5 games like this throughout the year where the other team simply made their shots. |
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MJST Retired Number
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adkindo Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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if we waive him, he will not longer be a problem on defense |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Treble Clef wrote: | I think it's just a coincidence that the other team shot well in his first game. There have been about 5 games like this throughout the year where the other team simply made their shots. |
I was surprised at how many times he go beat badly and Dallas failed to score |
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rdxxx Rookie
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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"Sure his offense is nice"..
His offense is above average, it's not nice. I'm sick of people calling IT a great offensive player. James Harden is a great offensive player, he can score 30 by playing on any nba team. In today's nba you can't touch anyone, so IT can basically just run behind screens and shoot open 3 point shots.
Even worse though, his offense doesn't help or fit within the flow of the Laker team, he makes them worst on both ends.
But but he can score 20 ++!! This is nonsense. |
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lakez34 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | You keep him as a 6th man |
This. Jamal Crawford, Lou Will role. |
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Practice Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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rdxxx wrote: | "Sure his offense is nice"..
His offense is above average, it's not nice. I'm sick of people calling IT a great offensive player. James Harden is a great offensive player, he can score 30 by playing on any nba team. In today's nba you can't touch anyone, so IT can basically just run behind screens and shoot open 3 point shots.
Even worse though, his offense doesn't help or fit within the flow of the Laker team, he makes them worst on both ends.
But but he can score 20 ++!! This is nonsense. |
The Lakers were really good tonight offensively. Also, James Harden is probably the best offensive player in the league, so I wouldn't use him as the standard for being "great" offensively. |
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FreakofNature Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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He is tiny.... |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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lakez34 wrote: | MJST wrote: | You keep him as a 6th man |
This. Jamal Crawford, Lou Will role. |
Pretty much, that's his upside and he'd be an upgrade to Clarkson if he even became 80% of what he was. But Super 6th man I think he'll fit fine. Fits his playstyle too.
Starting 2 next to Lonzo? No. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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SocalDevin Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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I was really interested in hearing what you guys would come up with when I saw this forum topic.. I was actually stumped watching the game as to how they could minimize his defensive deficiency..
So far..
Use him as a sixth man..
Implement Boston's defensive scheme..
Anything else? |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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He’s five eight. Just stand in front of him and voila. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | lakez34 wrote: | MJST wrote: | You keep him as a 6th man |
This. Jamal Crawford, Lou Will role. |
Pretty much, that's his upside and he'd be an upgrade to Clarkson if he even became 80% of what he was. But Super 6th man I think he'll fit fine. Fits his playstyle too.
Starting 2 next to Lonzo? No. |
IT's defense makes Clarkson's look like Kawhi Leonard out there |
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DancingBarry Editor-in-Chief
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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It will be tough.
You can't switch with him. That's a last resort.
You have to have a big plugging the paint so that you can give up the midrange or protect the rim. So if that's Lopez, then you hope Lopez isn't going up against a guy like Dirk who is a knock down three shooter at the C spot when he's out there.
If you don't have Lopez out there, then you should probably be more aggressive trapping off the screens. Or you hope you can find players that allow IT to go under screens.
Ice the screens whenever you can. IT was expecting that a couple times tonight and we weren't, so those were straight line drives.
You've got to always stick him on the small guys out there or any non-threat players.
If he's not tagging the roll man, then sit him.
Occasional zone to mix things up and get teams out of their comfort zone. Especially off deadballs/timeouts. Got to be more unpredictable.
Bring in DFish to teach him how to fall down and draw charges. He should have picked this up from Marcus Smart.
Voodoo.
I'm tapped... |
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SocalDevin Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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DancingBarry wrote: | It will be tough.
You can't switch with him. That's a last resort.
You have to have a big plugging the paint so that you can give up the midrange or protect the rim. So if that's Lopez, then you hope Lopez isn't going up against a guy like Dirk who is a knock down three shooter at the C spot when he's out there.
If you don't have Lopez out there, then you should probably be more aggressive trapping off the screens. Or you hope you can find players that allow IT to go under screens.
Ice the screens whenever you can. IT was expecting that a couple times tonight and we weren't, so those were straight line drives.
You've got to always stick him on the small guys out there or any non-threat players.
If he's not tagging the roll man, then sit him.
Occasional zone to mix things up and get teams out of their comfort zone. Especially off deadballs/timeouts. Got to be more unpredictable.
Bring in DFish to teach him how to fall down and draw charges. He should have picked this up from Marcus Smart.
Voodoo.
I'm tapped... |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Keep him on guys like barea. Barea can’t be more than a couple inches taller than Thomas. Also we had tye lue on the roster once, he did ok in certain matchups, like on AI. Bring Thomas off the bench and play matchups, I’m sure (hope) the coach will figure it out. |
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jonnybravo Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | MJST wrote: | lakez34 wrote: | MJST wrote: | You keep him as a 6th man |
This. Jamal Crawford, Lou Will role. |
Pretty much, that's his upside and he'd be an upgrade to Clarkson if he even became 80% of what he was. But Super 6th man I think he'll fit fine. Fits his playstyle too.
Starting 2 next to Lonzo? No. |
IT's defense makes Clarkson's look like Kawhi Leonard out there |
You ain't lyin'. Dallas looked like they were playing offense as if he wans't even on the floor. I know playing 4 on 5 is a hyperbole but defensively that's how awful IT is. I've never seen anyting like it. At least little guys like Mugsy would get a couple of steals a game. IT can't even do that. _________________ KOBE
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