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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:11 pm    Post subject:

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Absolutely agree that perspective drives opinion.

But in this case it is similar to a degenerate gambler going all-in on a hand. Then discarding his two 10's because he knows in his heart that he will be drawing two Aces.


I play a lot of poker. Explain how go all in and then discard two 10's? Do you mean they went all in and then folded there hand? Also if you think they through away two 10's describe what they had with the two 10's?


I donít play a lot of poker so I will not embarrass myself even more by trying to explain specific nuances to someone that does.

Guessing you understand the meaning of my apparently incorrect example more then you are willing to admit.


You are the one that used a poker analogy. I have no idea what you are trying to say that's why I wanted clarification.


Iíll stick with basketball to avoid further misunderstanding. Lakers just traded two players that were valuable in their roles as part of the overall depth on the roster. We can disagree on how much impact they have as role players on both ends of the floor. But IMO their energy and chemistry will not be easily replaced.

They were moved for the long shot chance of landing two marquee players. That may or not be there. IMO a hell of a risk.


That's your opinion because you wanted them to stay. If it's a longshot, they can still go out and sign the same average players they just traded. The only difference they won't locked into them for 4 years.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject:

1) Does management have a clear vision?

2Max with certain paramters of the type of player they want in the supporting cast. They appear to be very clear in this objective which is an important place to start whether you agree with them or not.

2) Is that vision intelligent?

Many feel the outcome dictates the answer to this. I don't think that's a productive approach though. Cap space in 2016 when the entire league was flush, not great. But if you look at the upcoming market, cap flexibility is in short supply, many teams find themselves unexpectedly in the tax and potentially running in the red the next couple years, and the teams at the top of the league are significantly above the field. Cap flexibility is a good approach. There are a lot of ways that can be managed. Maybe they get 1Max or 2Max. They could use the space to horde assets to make a run at a player in trade (e.g. Anthony Davis). Regardless, the strategy is intelligent IMO.

3) Have they done a good job executing the vision?

Yes, very much so. They resisted spending last July. They made strategic sacrifices to open space (Lou, Young, Russell, Jordan, Nance) while drafting well to mitigate some of the loss. They helped undo some of the negative leverage they themselves created by floating the 2019 refocus. They have made some good investments in scouting, training and in other areas. Pelinka is proving to be a good tactician and we will see if Magic can be the closer LA needs. That's the area where the execution is a little dicey given they turned down West (who is actually dismantling the Clippers).

4) Have they effectively communicated?

No (to put in nicely). They put undue pressure on the roster and injured their own negotiating position by settinng expectations they don't directly control. They butchered the PR element of the Russell deal and haven't done a great job with the Deng narrative. You could go either way on the tampering fine but in a vacuum it wasn't good.

6) Did the outcome support the strategy?

We'll see if Magic can close the deal. Anything short of 1-max will be perceived as a failure though there are still a number of options that could work out long term.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:12 pm    Post subject:

The difference from the low energy, overmatched last regime is obvious.

Magic will push and make things uncomfortable because he understands what the end goal is.

Great 1st year, they are going to bring us all the way back from Kupchakian Fiasco.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:17 pm    Post subject:

Wildchild027 wrote:
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Absolutely agree that perspective drives opinion.

But in this case it is similar to a degenerate gambler going all-in on a hand. Then discarding his two 10's because he knows in his heart that he will be drawing two Aces.


I play a lot of poker. Explain how go all in and then discard two 10's? Do you mean they went all in and then folded there hand? Also if you think they through away two 10's describe what they had with the two 10's?


I donít play a lot of poker so I will not embarrass myself even more by trying to explain specific nuances to someone that does.

Guessing you understand the meaning of my apparently incorrect example more then you are willing to admit.


You are the one that used a poker analogy. I have no idea what you are trying to say that's why I wanted clarification.


Iíll stick with basketball to avoid further misunderstanding. Lakers just traded two players that were valuable in their roles as part of the overall depth on the roster. We can disagree on how much impact they have as role players on both ends of the floor. But IMO their energy and chemistry will not be easily replaced.

They were moved for the long shot chance of landing two marquee players. That may or not be there. IMO a hell of a risk.


That's your opinion because you wanted them to stay. If it's a longshot, they can still go out and sign the same average players they just traded. The only difference they won't locked into them for 4 years.


I am pretty sure he was referring to 5 card draw, not hold em.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:20 pm    Post subject:

TBD.

If we can land 2 max FAs, then they did a great job.
If not, we traded young and cheap talent for nothing.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:27 pm    Post subject:

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The difference from the low energy, overmatched last regime is obvious.

Magic will push and make things uncomfortable because he understands what the end goal is.

Great 1st year, they are going to bring us all the way back from Kupchakian Fiasco.


This! The FO has set us up and given us numerous options. It is still a two most likely a two year plan. We have to be patient and enjoy the steps forward that we are taking.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm    Post subject:

This FO is running circles around the previous one. Anybody who doesn't see that is just bias. In Magic we trust!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:55 pm    Post subject:

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On paper, Magic and Pelinka make a great team.
Magic for his basketball knowledge and Pelinka for his knowledge of the NBA system and his tenacity.
Magic is the guy who says lets reach for the stars and Pelinka is a guy that says lets develop a rocket ship first.


I feel like because Pelinka wasn't a HoF player people undersell his basketball knowledge. The guy played D-1 ball under Steve Fisher in the Michigan Fab Five era then he made his living obtaining clients who could someday blossom into stars. Guy understands the game of basketball the same way Magic understands management/business. They're both very well-rounded for the gig. We're lucky to have their stewardship and vision right now. Excited to see what the future has in store.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:38 am    Post subject:

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Falling - not failing - marks for the most recent transaction.

Folks have fallen in love with a get rich quick scheme, the "add two max" or "add one max" player. I feel the the prospect of actually acquiring Paul George - let alone a second worthy max player - sucks in the near term. It's the strategy I have a problem with, because what I see likely in 2008-2009 is carrying two overpaid one year guys again who don't improve the club much. Painful stagnancy.

I had bought into the patience theme with each of the past two seasons because I felt that last week's young core was moving along an achievable path to success (i.e., development of high chemistry).

Now, that's gone.

It's funny when I hear this narrative, because it makes it sound like teams can go out and pick up All-Star players like picking up groceries. It takes careful planning and timing to put your team in that position in the first place, which is no easy task. This is not trading 2 first for a broken Steve Nash (which was the right move at the time since we were in contention) or trading 4 firsts for an again KG and Pierce (worst robbery in history).

We are getting the best of both worlds in keeping the best of our core (BI/Jules/Zo/Kuz/Hart) while getting short term replacement in production for JC and Nance (IT and Frye), while still having the best cap situation in the league, getting a pick back in a deep draft, and people think we are blowing up our core? It's really more an emotional plea of losing some role players who we got to see grow, but to get to the next level tough decisions have to be made, and every single one of these so far were the right ones.


Yes, it's funny when people call these guys "young core" like they're embiid or giannis or something. When the lakers lost 9 in a row, everyone wanted the guys dealt. Lakers have cheaper and better players in Hart and Kuzma filling in for Nance and Clarkson, give them and Randle more minutes. DLo is nothing special either and that deal was a good one for LA.

At the end of the day the Lakers are 23-32 and the 11th seed int he west. the core was going nowhere except the bottom rung of the playoff ladder next year.

It's like people forgot what this organization is about. Yes, you need to acquire some young cheap talent and go through the painful seasons to put yourself in the right position to potentially land free agents. They have and retained their highest ceiling, most productive young talent and traded back into the first round this year. Anyone complaining must be happy with mediocrity.


Yeah, it's like trading for Kareem, or Wilt or Shaq? Very few teams can swing for the fences and actually succeed. I mean look at those guys, who got them? Oh yeah, us!! We should have NEVER taken those risks. They were too risky!! Had to gut our team to do these, with no guarantees we would get them.

Damn, does that sound familiar???

So, my point is, yeah it's risky. With no risk there are no gains. Grow a pair!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:50 am    Post subject:

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Eh. How many threads and posts have we seen that basically recap what Magic has done and declare him to be either a success or a failure? Nothing new here. One group of people think that the mere creation of cap space is a success, and another group of people think that the creation of cap space is worthless unless you use it correctly. The difference between those viewpoints is smaller than it appears at first glance. It's a question of whether you give credit for creating an opportunity or whether you reserve credit until the opportunity is realized.


Yet one would have to admit that you can't realize opportunity if you don't create the environment for it?????

Clearly, if we had gone Mitch and Jimbo's way, we would still have Moz and all our other guys because we were waiting for GS to fall off. Didn't need to try to compete until their era was over. THEN we would start rebuilding. We would have no opportunity to sign any free agents. Is that how you wanted things to be here?

If ANYONE cannot see that we are moving in a much more positive direction, they are blind as a bat and in complete denial. We will never know until a couple years have passed if our moves were fruitful.

One has to wonder if our team has been, are still, being black listed by the league and other players. I personally think nobody wanted to play for Jimbo. He had screwed enough people around the league that he was getting back listed. I really don't think Magic or Rob bring that to our team, nor do I think Jeannie brings that.

I'm not sure who we can get or when we can get them, but I believe that LA is a worthwhile place to be a pro athlete and that we will eventually get a really good player or two in free agency.

I see these players go to all kinds of other teams and there is simply no reason why some won't want to come here. It's just a matter of time and having the space for them to fill.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:53 am    Post subject:

70sdude wrote:
lakers4life78 wrote:
trablos wrote:
70sdude wrote:
Falling - not failing - marks for the most recent transaction.

Folks have fallen in love with a get rich quick scheme, the "add two max" or "add one max" player. I feel the the prospect of actually acquiring Paul George - let alone a second worthy max player - sucks in the near term. It's the strategy I have a problem with, because what I see likely in 2008-2009 is carrying two overpaid one year guys again who don't improve the club much. Painful stagnancy.

I had bought into the patience theme with each of the past two seasons because I felt that last week's young core was moving along an achievable path to success (i.e., development of high chemistry).

Now, that's gone.

It's funny when I hear this narrative, because it makes it sound like teams can go out and pick up All-Star players like picking up groceries. It takes careful planning and timing to put your team in that position in the first place, which is no easy task. This is not trading 2 first for a broken Steve Nash (which was the right move at the time since we were in contention) or trading 4 firsts for an again KG and Pierce (worst robbery in history).

We are getting the best of both worlds in keeping the best of our core (BI/Jules/Zo/Kuz/Hart) while getting short term replacement in production for JC and Nance (IT and Frye), while still having the best cap situation in the league, getting a pick back in a deep draft, and people think we are blowing up our core? It's really more an emotional plea of losing some role players who we got to see grow, but to get to the next level tough decisions have to be made, and every single one of these so far were the right ones.


Yes, it's funny when people call these guys "young core" like they're embiid or giannis or something. When the lakers lost 9 in a row, everyone wanted the guys dealt. Lakers have cheaper and better players in Hart and Kuzma filling in for Nance and Clarkson, give them and Randle more minutes. DLo is nothing special either and that deal was a good one for LA.

At the end of the day the Lakers are 23-32 and the 11th seed int he west. the core was going nowhere except the bottom rung of the playoff ladder next year.

It's like people forgot what this organization is about. Yes, you need to acquire some young cheap talent and go through the painful seasons to put yourself in the right position to potentially land free agents. They have and retained their highest ceiling, most productive young talent and traded back into the first round this year. Anyone complaining must be happy with mediocrity.


Actually, I haven't forgotten what this organization was all about, but the current owners and managers may have lost their own way in finding the path back into the playoffs, into playoff relevance, into championship contention. The club is and has been stuck on reaching even palatable .500 ball and that my friend, is what this organization has been all about for five years or more.

That's just this fan's perception. There is no longer the Laker franchise that had Jerry West, Jerry Buss or a powerful version of Kobe Bryant. What we have here is just another NBA club, one which thinks it knows its way back to prominence. Until they prove they do, they don't.



man, you are just the worst kind of fan. I personally wish fans like you would just go chase Golden State. I actually think you revel in our problems and have little belief in what we are doing. No hope. What a hack.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:55 am    Post subject:

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2/8 - created cap space for 2 max.

They have a clear vision and are working it to perfection. A+ from me.

I know, I know, they still haven't landed the 2 maxes... but summer hasn't arrived yet either.
They had the same clear vision with the old regime. not knocking the new one. just sayin. people didnt like that the old regime wasnt telling them every move they were about to make. this regime does that. then the same people get upset that they are telling everything and even getting fined for it more or less.

Both regimes were trying to clear cap for 2 superstars. The first regime struck out to some degree but the options it had were never real options to begin with. That front office NEVER lost one.

Melo was never coming, Lemarcus was never coming here, lebron at that moment in time was not coming here. Remember we either had an aging old hurt kobe and a bunch of children fresh out of their college freshman year. you were not going to win anything for real with that.

nothing has changed. we are still looking for those stars.

PG13 said with his own mouth he was coming here in the summer, then got traded to okc to play with other stars. if we miss on him, i still wont blame the current FO because indy was never going to trade him to us unless they took everything we had. and he wasnt worth EVERYTHING we had. If pg13 comes, great. but that has nothing to do with mitch or magic or jim or Rob. its pg wanting to go home like lemarcus wasnted to go home while also playing for a contender in his later years.

basically the GM/FO didnt have to do anything to entice the player.

If we would've ended with boogie(assuming no injury). that would've been because boogie was already coming if the kings would've traded him to begin with to us. but they refused to do so. so boogie was already coming this way. Mitch and jim would've taken boogie also if he was going into Free agency. again nothing new.

if bron comes. it has zero to do with the FO and everything to do with bron going where bron wants to go like he always does.

MItch and Jim found Bynum
Mitch and Jim found Clarkson, Zubac, Larry, randle, and ingram.
MItch and jim found DLO which turned into Lopez and kuz.and even if we kept dlo. dlo is a pretty darn good young offensive player(when healthy of course.)

the new FO got zo, hart, and kuz..


same thing if you ask me. both FO's found diamonds in JC/Larry and Kuz/hart that late.

The first FO had better shooters less defense. this FO has better defense and no shooters and no ft makers.

so why is today's team better? because they have a legit center in lopez. that wasnt available to flip since dlo was too young and we didnt know what we had in him yet to say we should keep him or trade him.

i'm saying mitch and jim could've made the same trade. and possibly would have.


The old FO got us into the MozDeng mess.
The new FO just about got us out of the same mess.
The new FO has shown better negotiation/trading skills than the old one.


Plus the new FO has drafted even better than the old one! For all the DLO lovers here, have you noticed that he doesn't even start on the Nets anymore?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:14 am    Post subject:

Wino wrote:
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Eh. How many threads and posts have we seen that basically recap what Magic has done and declare him to be either a success or a failure? Nothing new here. One group of people think that the mere creation of cap space is a success, and another group of people think that the creation of cap space is worthless unless you use it correctly. The difference between those viewpoints is smaller than it appears at first glance. It's a question of whether you give credit for creating an opportunity or whether you reserve credit until the opportunity is realized.


Yet one would have to admit that you can't realize opportunity if you don't create the environment for it?????

Clearly, if we had gone Mitch and Jimbo's way, we would still have Moz and all our other guys because we were waiting for GS to fall off. Didn't need to try to compete until their era was over. THEN we would start rebuilding. We would have no opportunity to sign any free agents. Is that how you wanted things to be here?

If ANYONE cannot see that we are moving in a much more positive direction, they are blind as a bat and in complete denial. We will never know until a couple years have passed if our moves were fruitful.

One has to wonder if our team has been, are still, being black listed by the league and other players. I personally think nobody wanted to play for Jimbo. He had screwed enough people around the league that he was getting back listed. I really don't think Magic or Rob bring that to our team, nor do I think Jeannie brings that.

I'm not sure who we can get or when we can get them, but I believe that LA is a worthwhile place to be a pro athlete and that we will eventually get a really good player or two in free agency.

I see these players go to all kinds of other teams and there is simply no reason why some won't want to come here. It's just a matter of time and having the space for them to fill.


To AH's point, the reality, as is often the case, is probably somewhere in the middle. I don't care if you're Jim Buss or Magic, if you execute on crafty moves to gain cap space, you get some kudos for that. But that is a step. The full credit (or blame) gets assigned once all of the steps are completed. It's just like in business. Sometimes you have to lay off people, cut back on costs, and re-invest those expenses in something else that drives more growth. If you cut out the right fat, you get some kudos. You just don't get all the kudos until you've then re-invested that fat into muscle (so to speak).

The idea that people didn't want to play for Jim Buss is pretty laughable when you consider that people seemed to have no problem playing for Donald Sterling.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:16 am    Post subject:

I hope the end game is more than just cap space, b/c we were once there in 2016.

I give the FO high marks up to this point, but they have to eventually close this out and form a permanent team at some point. I think constantly punting has a negative psychological effect long-term on our young players.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 am    Post subject:

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This FO is running circles around the previous one. Anybody who doesn't see that is just bias. In Magic we trust!


Just as I was losing faith about the negativity shown to our FO, I read your post. GREAT POST and spot on! We are turning the corner and are becoming relevant once again.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:24 am    Post subject:

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This FO is running circles around the previous one. Anybody who doesn't see that is just bias. In Magic we trust!


Exactly! Dealt an awful hand, yet in just a year:
- now have flexibility for the future (2 max)
- much better team (results speak for themselves)
- finally focusing on analytics
- doubling down on fitness
- caring about culture
- player development galore (see BI, Ingram, etc)
- nailing drafting
- winning trades
- becoming a place people want to play in (see PG)
- playing the game (finally skirting the rules on tampering)
- etc.
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This FO is running circles around the previous one. Anybody who doesn't see that is just bias. In Magic we trust!


Exactly! Dealt an awful hand, yet in just a year:
- now have flexibility for the future (2 max)
- much better team (results speak for themselves)
- finally focusing on analytics
- doubling down on fitness
- caring about culture
- player development galore (see BI, Ingram, etc)
- nailing drafting
- winning trades
- becoming a place people want to play in (see PG)
- playing the game (finally skirting the rules on tampering)
- etc.


Yup. However, we need them to close this out. Having cap space is a means, not an end.

I do trust that even if they whiff on max FAs, they won't do a Moz/Deng franchise crippling desperation move. They've earned must trust on that end.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:30 am    Post subject:

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This FO is running circles around the previous one. Anybody who doesn't see that is just bias. In Magic we trust!


Just as I was losing faith about the negativity shown to our FO, I read your post. GREAT POST and spot on! We are turning the corner and are becoming relevant once again.


I don't know about running circles. I mean, two completely different scenarios. Maginka has the benefit of inheriting a team with three #2 picks, a #7 pick. Now sure, they also had albatross contracts dealt to them.

But point being, Jim/Mitch had to tank to acquire those picks. They had to deal with a KFT (although, I suppose you could argue that was self-inflicted which would be fair).

I would be really interested to see what Magic would have done with Kobe on his last extension though.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:31 am    Post subject:

There is no way the FO would ever pull a psycho move that Jim/Mitch/Chad did. Worse case scenario is we do not sign any maxes. I think we will still pull in some assets (while also making the playoffs) and try again the following year. I still think we are getting PG (who makes us a 50 plus win team).
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There is no way the FO would ever pull a psycho move that Jim/Mitch/Chad did. Worse case scenario is we do not sign any maxes. I think we will still pull in some assets (while also making the playoffs) and try again the following year. I still think we are getting PG (who makes us a 50 plus win team).


I trust in Pelinka's longview to believe that he won't kill the future of this team in a panic move. I just hope if we whiff on 2 max FAs, we kill the 2 max FA plan and save enough for 1 max FA in 2019 and fill out this team.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:35 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
kwase wrote:
This FO is running circles around the previous one. Anybody who doesn't see that is just bias. In Magic we trust!


Exactly! Dealt an awful hand, yet in just a year:
- now have flexibility for the future (2 max)
- much better team (results speak for themselves)
- finally focusing on analytics
- doubling down on fitness
- caring about culture
- player development galore (see BI, Ingram, etc)
- nailing drafting
- winning trades
- becoming a place people want to play in (see PG)
- playing the game (finally skirting the rules on tampering)
- etc.


Yup. However, we need them to close this out. Having cap space is a means, not an end.

I do trust that even if they whiff on max FAs, they won't do a Moz/Deng franchise crippling desperation move. They've earned must trust on that end.


Definitely agree. You nailed it on the head - theyíve earned our trust. Now letís sit back and see what happens.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:37 am    Post subject:

I really think we end up with PG and a STUD bench while still keeping our options open the following year. I would actually go this root and not add the Queen. His age and ball dominance (which would possibly hinder the development of our pups) are not a good fit. No matter what, things are looking up for us.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:42 am    Post subject:

Daphanabe wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
kwase wrote:
This FO is running circles around the previous one. Anybody who doesn't see that is just bias. In Magic we trust!


Exactly! Dealt an awful hand, yet in just a year:
- now have flexibility for the future (2 max)
- much better team (results speak for themselves)
- finally focusing on analytics
- doubling down on fitness
- caring about culture
- player development galore (see BI, Ingram, etc)
- nailing drafting
- winning trades
- becoming a place people want to play in (see PG)
- playing the game (finally skirting the rules on tampering)
- etc.


Yup. However, we need them to close this out. Having cap space is a means, not an end.

I do trust that even if they whiff on max FAs, they won't do a Moz/Deng franchise crippling desperation move. They've earned must trust on that end.


Definitely agree. You nailed it on the head - theyíve earned our trust. Now letís sit back and see what happens.


I'm not panicking (though I'd be disappointed if we didn't get 2 or even 1 max). I think they'd thoughtfully pick out some good players to build around our young core. But i will not be happy if they merely punt 2 max to 2019. That would be a mistake IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:43 am    Post subject:

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I really think we end up with PG and a STUD bench while still keeping our options open the following year. I would actually go this root and not add the Queen. His age and ball dominance (which would possibly hinder the development of our pups) are not a good fit. No matter what, things are looking up for us.


PG13 has been my #1 FA goal for a while. Getting him would make me happy. I hope at the least he is a Laker.
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