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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team

Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves

Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the ďRobinsĒ to a ďBatman.Ē
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option

My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars

Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)

Randle - strong maybe

Ingram - strong possibility

Kuzma - strong possibility

Hart - strong maybe

Zubac - if so, could solve many problems

Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm    Post subject:

They donít watch games; so their opinion is not informed.

Sir Charles admitted on the radio today that he hasnít watched an NBA game in 3 weeks because he is focused on the NCAA tournament.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:41 pm    Post subject:

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They donít watch games; so their opinion is not informed.

Sir Charles admitted on the radio today that he hasnít watched an NBA game in 3 weeks because he is focused on the NCAA tournament.


that is really what you took from this post?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:50 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
They donít watch games; so their opinion is not informed.

Sir Charles admitted on the radio today that he hasnít watched an NBA game in 3 weeks because he is focused on the NCAA tournament.


that is really what you took from this post?


I read the title and thatís it; I also watched part of that laughable segment.

I guess that conversation is still better than you wanting to attach Lonzo to Deng just to get an old CP3 back. Are you so much of a Lonzo hater that you want to re-create the old and stale Cleveland Cavaliers team that just got blown up?

Ingram/Deng for torn achilles Cousins is also, in the words of Barkley, turrible.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves

Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the ďRobinsĒ to a ďBatman.Ē
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option

My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars

Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)

Randle - strong maybe

Ingram - strong possibility

Kuzma - strong possibility

Hart - strong maybe

Zubac - if so, could solve many problems

Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years


Where's Ball? Did you forget the guy that is most likely to become a superstar?

Heck, he and his family/brothers are more popular than most "superstars" in this League already.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject:

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adkindo wrote:
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They donít watch games; so their opinion is not informed.

Sir Charles admitted on the radio today that he hasnít watched an NBA game in 3 weeks because he is focused on the NCAA tournament.


that is really what you took from this post?


I read the title and thatís it; I also watched part of that laughable segment.

I guess that conversation is still better than you wanting to attach Lonzo to Deng just to get an old CP3 back. Are you so much of a Lonzo hater that you want to re-create the old and stale Cleveland Cavaliers team that just got blown up?

Ingram/Deng for torn achilles Cousins is also, in the words of Barkley, turrible.


your response is ignorant....I have never said I wanted to do any of the (bleep) you listed.....am so over this "i do not like what you said, so I will deflect and try to defame you with some other (bleep)"...so weak
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:39 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
adkindo wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
They donít watch games; so their opinion is not informed.

Sir Charles admitted on the radio today that he hasnít watched an NBA game in 3 weeks because he is focused on the NCAA tournament.


that is really what you took from this post?


I read the title and thatís it; I also watched part of that laughable segment.

I guess that conversation is still better than you wanting to attach Lonzo to Deng just to get an old CP3 back. Are you so much of a Lonzo hater that you want to re-create the old and stale Cleveland Cavaliers team that just got blown up?

Ingram/Deng for torn achilles Cousins is also, in the words of Barkley, turrible.


your response is ignorant....I have never said I wanted to do any of the (bleep) you listed.....am so over this "i do not like what you said, so I will deflect and try to defame you with some other (bleep)"...so weak


Ignorant? Nah, here is what you said on page 1007 of the FA thread

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some get mad when I say it....but will not be shocked "if" Lebron & PG-13 come to the Lakers.....either Ball is used to move the Deng contract to sign Chris Paul....or Ingram is used to move the Deng contract to sign Cousins.....or one or both of them are used to move the Deng contract in a trade for a Superstar like Anthony Davis.


Itís cool...you do you. Just practice what you preach and donít get personal man.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:53 pm    Post subject:

I'd say Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, and Randle all have the possibility.

Lonzo I think is going to get there. He's just too talented.

Ingram has holes which need to be filled but he has some great tools (length, leaping ability) and has improved so much in the past year. If he can knock down jumpers at a high rate and continue to improve defensively he could get there. I think for him he's more likely going to be a very good all around player than a superstar because he rarely shows that type of killer instinct. When he has though he has had phases of looking unstoppable. That may just be a confidence issue.

Randle's ability to get there is going to be determined on if he can ever get his jump shot to a good level. If he can, you add that to his bully ball game which has become very effective and he's got a legitimate shot. He has the mentality and has shown the ability to step up in big moments. His length works against him down low though, and his inability to consistently hit jump shots limits his ability to drive without picking up offensive fouls.

Kuzma has a very high skill level offensively already. Improve the defense and rebounding and he has a shot, as well. He has the mentality to get there though.

I think Lonzo is likely a future superstar. The other three above have an outside chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:57 pm    Post subject:

Honestly feel like our big four are at a minimum all going to be fringe all stars.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves

Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the ďRobinsĒ to a ďBatman.Ē
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option

My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars

Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)

Randle - strong maybe

Ingram - strong possibility

Kuzma - strong possibility

Hart - strong maybe

Zubac - if so, could solve many problems

Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years


What?!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:10 pm    Post subject:

Charles is an idiot, I can't listen to this guy for more than 3 minutes without disagreeing with him.

Two things amaze me about him:

1) That he still has a job on TV.
2) That as a former (Ring-less) NBA Player he has such distorted views of NBA reality..
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:32 pm    Post subject:

He's right... for now.

Broken clock.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:47 pm    Post subject:

yeah man, can't wait for TBryant to start putting up those Joel Embid type stats.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:26 am    Post subject:

Well we don't, not even close.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:39 am    Post subject:

Define superstar.

I'd say top 5 players in the NBA. Players you can build a championship team around. Not just an all star, not just all-nba, but someone getting legitimate consideration for league MVP.

So I'd say: Harden, Giannis, Curry, LeBron and Durant are superstars. Borderline CP3, Anthony Davis, Westbrook.

So yeah, no the Lakers don't have any superstars.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:45 am    Post subject:

Staccatos wrote:
Define superstar.

I'd say top 5 players in the NBA. Players you can build a championship team around. Not just an all star, not just all-nba, but someone getting legitimate consideration for league MVP.

So I'd say: Harden, Giannis, Curry, LeBron and Durant are superstars. Borderline CP3, Anthony Davis, Westbrook.

So yeah, no the Lakers don't have any superstars.


True.

We recently had Kobe. Before that Shaq.

None of current Lakers are there yet and most likely will never be the same caliber.

That does not mean they can not win championships. I'm a strong proponent of team ball and always believe that five borderline all-stars when well coached will beat a team that relies on one superstar.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 am    Post subject:

This seems like a hot, steaming bowl of Duh to me. Ball has a chance of becoming an all-NBA player if his three point shot becomes consistent and if he maintains his elite defense. Ingram's ceiling is still at that level, but I don't know that he'll ever get there. Randle could have a peak season where he comes close to that level. I don't see any of them as genuine superstars.

The rest of the group are nothing special, though they get overhyped around here.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:20 am    Post subject:

Why are we looking at 2 max FAs? B/c none of our guys will be stars in the next 2-3 years IMO. They may in 4-5 years, but certainly not in the near horizon. BI/Lonzo need to physically grow first. But they're so young there's still a chance.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:26 am    Post subject:

That fat foouck Dumbo Charles has green eyed envy about the Lakers. He said we were playing terrible (after going 12-4 and having the 2nd best record in the league during that time frame). His disdain for us is crazy and he doesn't have an objective bone in his body.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:29 am    Post subject:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:
He's right... for now.

Broken clock.



Yes he is right. There are no Kobe's or LeBrons on
the current team. We'll see if anyone can really
step up.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:29 am    Post subject:

I stopped reading and caring after Sir Charles.....
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:31 am    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
Charles is an idiot, I can't listen to this guy for more than 3 minutes without disagreeing with him.

Two things amaze me about him:

1) That he still has a job on TV.
2) That as a former (Ring-less) NBA Player he has such distorted views of NBA reality..



On TV there are two types of individuals that attract an audience,
those we love and those we hate. No surprise Charles is on TV really.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:31 am    Post subject:

I do think for the next 2-3 years, we have some very nice players who can help out current-stars.

Just look at how rejuvenated LBJ looked with 25 year old JC/Hood, Nance.

You don't think that Lonzo/BI/Kuz/Hart, plus another max FA is better than that?
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