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PHILosophize
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| KobeDunk wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | KobeDunk wrote: | | I think Kuzma and Ingram are the only ones who may have a chance at becoming superstars. |
If Koozy were younger, maybe. |
younger? He's a rookie, he's young enough.  |
yeah but he's like older than Clarkson I think or right around his age
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves
Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the “Robins” to a “Batman.”
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option
My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars
Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)
Randle - strong maybe
Ingram - strong possibility
Kuzma - strong possibility
Hart - strong maybe
Zubac - if so, could solve many problems
Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years |
Superstars are generational players that will be remembered decades later. The fact that you think any of our current players have any possibilities show how bias you are. 
The current ceiling for any of our player is all-star. A 2A player to someone elses 1A. |
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KobeDunk
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | KobeDunk wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | KobeDunk wrote: | | I think Kuzma and Ingram are the only ones who may have a chance at becoming superstars. |
If Koozy were younger, maybe. |
younger? He's a rookie, he's young enough. |
yeah but he's like older than Clarkson I think or right around his age |
so ? He's just 22. Duncan was 22 when he came into the NBA too, so many oher superstars were around that age. Staying in school for 4 years is actually an advantage, not a negative. |
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Clarkson is three years older than Kuzma
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PHILosophize
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: |
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my bad
well I just think that since he's 22 he has less potential than guys like BI and Lonzo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| By these standards, not many teams do have superstars on them and Charles Zero Rings Barkley is once again displaying his keen eye for picking out what's obvious to anyone and pretending it's insight. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | my bad
well I just think that since he's 22 he has less potential than guys like BI and Lonzo |
That’s a fair calculation although certainly not anything near to being one size fits all.
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Threatt_Level
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| KobeDunk wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | I mean part of what makes it so tough in Lonzo's case is that there are so many good young PGs in the league right now. |
Lonzo can't shoot, that is the first step in becoming a descent player, nevermind superstar |
Kidd didn't get a decent jump shot until he was 31. Lonzo will be alright. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | my bad
well I just think that since he's 22 he has less potential than guys like BI and Lonzo |
That’s a fair calculation although certainly not anything near to being one size fits all. |
I expect that every front office has done some sort of study of the career arcs of players who enter the league at different ages and after different numbers of years of college. It isn't that an upperclassman has no upside, but rather that the likely career trajectory is going to be flatter. Buddy Hield has been steadily improving since he got to the league, but his total improvement in two years is arguably less than we saw from Ball in two months. |
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| Saying the lakers has no superstars is like saying the sun is bright... no (bleep) Sherlock Barkley. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss
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| Threatt_Level wrote: | | KobeDunk wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | I mean part of what makes it so tough in Lonzo's case is that there are so many good young PGs in the league right now. |
Lonzo can't shoot, that is the first step in becoming a descent player, nevermind superstar |
Kidd didn't get a decent jump shot until he was 31. Lonzo will be alright. |
Lonzo could shoot 3's in college at a 41% clip. His first couple NBA months he was ice cold.
Most recent 15 games he's played - 27/71 on 3's, so he's shooting 38% lately. I guess we'll find out more in a week or so when the ASB is over. |
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I prefer franchise player over superstar
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team |
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| dvdrdiscs wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves
Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the “Robins” to a “Batman.”
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option
My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars
Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)
Randle - strong maybe
Ingram - strong possibility
Kuzma - strong possibility
Hart - strong maybe
Zubac - if so, could solve many problems
Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years |
Superstars are generational players that will be remembered decades later. The fact that you think any of our current players have any possibilities show how bias you are.
The current ceiling for any of our player is all-star. A 2A player to someone elses 1A. |
I did not state any absolutes
How many years did it take for Curry and Thompson to be considered superstars and possible HOFers?
When did Kwahi become an elite player
Many of the young players considered bonafide superstars are those that had the time to grow into their “man” bodies (for a variety reason) before playing like Simmons and Embiid (among others)
The Black Mamba took a few years
Our young players are relevant chips in trades because other GMs highly value their skills |
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | dvdrdiscs wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves
Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the “Robins” to a “Batman.”
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option
My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars
Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)
Randle - strong maybe
Ingram - strong possibility
Kuzma - strong possibility
Hart - strong maybe
Zubac - if so, could solve many problems
Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years |
Superstars are generational players that will be remembered decades later. The fact that you think any of our current players have any possibilities show how bias you are.
The current ceiling for any of our player is all-star. A 2A player to someone elses 1A. |
I did not state any absolutes
How many years did it take for Curry and Thompson to be considered superstars and possible HOFers?
When did Kwahi become an elite player
Many of the young players considered bonafide superstars are those that had the time to grow into their “man” bodies (for a variety reason) before playing like Simmons and Embiid (among others)
The Black Mamba took a few years
Our young players are relevant chips in trades because other GMs highly value their skills |
those players are the exception to the rule... I would love for atleast one of our players to make a drastic jump in progression to superstar status but its not realistic to pencil them in as such at this point
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| Some of you need to put in apps at the psychic network.. No one in this board has any clue as to whether or not any of our guys will be superstars. To make a definitive statement that they aren't is pretty absurd. |
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kobeandgary
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| Drifts wrote: | | I prefer franchise player over superstar |
Meh that's often just a really good role player on a really bad team. Like Joe Johnson. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | dvdrdiscs wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves
Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the “Robins” to a “Batman.”
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option
My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars
Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)
Randle - strong maybe
Ingram - strong possibility
Kuzma - strong possibility
Hart - strong maybe
Zubac - if so, could solve many problems
Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years |
Superstars are generational players that will be remembered decades later. The fact that you think any of our current players have any possibilities show how bias you are.
The current ceiling for any of our player is all-star. A 2A player to someone elses 1A. |
I did not state any absolutes
How many years did it take for Curry and Thompson to be considered superstars and possible HOFers?
When did Kwahi become an elite player
Many of the young players considered bonafide superstars are those that had the time to grow into their “man” bodies (for a variety reason) before playing like Simmons and Embiid (among others)
The Black Mamba took a few years
Our young players are relevant chips in trades because other GMs highly value their skills |
those players are the exception to the rule... I would love for atleast one of our players to make a drastic jump in progression to superstar status but its not realistic to pencil them in as such at this point |
There are other examples throughout the league from Simmons to Donovan to Tatum and others that need time to grow
As shared and what I stated, there are no absolutes or guarantee since the question is the following, does any of our players show the talent and potential to be superstars.
Ingram, Kuzma and Hart seem to have the right mental approach
Randle has more expectations because he is one year ahead of the other players and he is in his contract year where he has to show his value.
Randle is a good PF that can be very good while being a star on a 2nd tier team or the second option on an elite team.
Defensively, we are expecting him to be like LeBron calling all the defensive signals and keeping everybody accountable. On offense, will he be able to score against the elite and taller defenders (mixed results)
Future is bright because all the young players have shown definitive signs that they will at least be good rotation players (like what JC and Jr are with the Cavs) that are needed by all teams |
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Unless they're Lebron or magic. We really can't expect anyone to be a franchise player/superstar from the start.
I think Lonzo and Ingram have the best chance on our team, but they're still super young |
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Unless they're Lebron or magic. We really can't expect anyone to be a franchise player/superstar from the start.
I think Lonzo and Ingram have the best chance on our team, but they're still super young |
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kobeandgary
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | Unless they're Lebron or magic. We really can't expect anyone to be a franchise player/superstar from the start.
I think Lonzo and Ingram have the best chance on our team, but they're still super young |
Ingram seems to have zero chance, and Ball drastically needs to improve if he hopes to be. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| A 23-34 team without a superstar. And this warrants a topic? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | dvdrdiscs wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves
Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the “Robins” to a “Batman.”
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option
My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars
Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)
Randle - strong maybe
Ingram - strong possibility
Kuzma - strong possibility
Hart - strong maybe
Zubac - if so, could solve many problems
Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years |
Superstars are generational players that will be remembered decades later. The fact that you think any of our current players have any possibilities show how bias you are.
The current ceiling for any of our player is all-star. A 2A player to someone elses 1A. |
I did not state any absolutes
How many years did it take for Curry and Thompson to be considered superstars and possible HOFers?
When did Kwahi become an elite player
Many of the young players considered bonafide superstars are those that had the time to grow into their “man” bodies (for a variety reason) before playing like Simmons and Embiid (among others)
The Black Mamba took a few years
Our young players are relevant chips in trades because other GMs highly value their skills |
Huh????
Kawhi won finals mvp in his 3rd season at age 22. And for Curry, it only took a few years for people to realize he’s the best shooter of all time. |
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dvdrdiscs
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Sir Charles & TNT Gang Says There Are No Superstars On Our Team |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | dvdrdiscs wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Interesting assessment made during a recent broadcast but merits a discussion as the conclusions will be the foundation for future moves
Obviously we are talking about what our young core will be. Our young players playing with an elite team (JC and Jr) will thrive where they are the “Robins” to a “Batman.”
Note: Cavs and Celtics have proven what one strategic player can do - hence the requirement of getting two MAX Superstars is the only option
My POV
JC and Jr are great complimentary players but not superstars
Who could be our Superstar (not just an All-Star)
Randle - strong maybe
Ingram - strong possibility
Kuzma - strong possibility
Hart - strong maybe
Zubac - if so, could solve many problems
Bryant - if only he can come close to Embiid numbers, we would be set for years |
Superstars are generational players that will be remembered decades later. The fact that you think any of our current players have any possibilities show how bias you are.
The current ceiling for any of our player is all-star. A 2A player to someone elses 1A. |
I did not state any absolutes
How many years did it take for Curry and Thompson to be considered superstars and possible HOFers?
When did Kwahi become an elite player
Many of the young players considered bonafide superstars are those that had the time to grow into their “man” bodies (for a variety reason) before playing like Simmons and Embiid (among others)
The Black Mamba took a few years
Our young players are relevant chips in trades because other GMs highly value their skills |
Out of the 3 you mentioned, Curry, Thompson, and Leonard, I only consider Curry to be a superstar. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Some of you need to put in apps at the psychic network.. No one in this board has any clue as to whether or not any of our guys will be superstars. To make a definitive statement that they aren't is pretty absurd. |
Gotta agree. No superstars right now but nobody can claim they know where these guys' ceilings are, and to do so is a bit arrogant. Then again, that's what Zero Rings Barkley sells the public is his stupid brand of arrogance. |
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| I just want players good enough to get us into the playoffs As a start. All these labels are irrelevant to me. I see some saying guys like Leonard, Klay Irving aren't superstars. Well Damn, can we get one player like that and worry about whether we should label them superstars later? |
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