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LAKERMIKE2 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:54 am Post subject: When your center takes more 3's than has rebounds. |
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Answer: Brook Lopez, I thought when we acquired him his low post moves & scoring what open up our 3 pt shooting for the team, NOT giving him the opportunity to jack up more 3's than any other player on our team.
Why does Luke ALLOW him to stand above the 3 pt line game in & game out just jacking up 3's? He doesn't even set picks for our players he just plants himself there. He does good damage when he posts down low & usually scores, seems like Luke has NOT told him to get his butt in the post & allow others to flow outside! Luke has to put a red light on Brook cause he is taking the MOST 3's every single game. Just irritates the heck out of me!!! Any time your center shoots more 3's than gets rebounds is VERY ALARMING & a recipe for losing!!!
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AirKobe8 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:59 am Post subject: |
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I think your logic is reverse. It's not that Brook is doing this and Luke is allowing him to. Luke is clearly telling him to do it, because that's what Luke's offense wants out of his center.
So it won't change. _________________ www.lakersbrasil.com
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Brook spaces the floor, allowing a non-shooter (Jules) and BI to have space.
On defense, he boxes out well, allowing others to grab rebounds. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Brook spaces the floor, allowing a non-shooter (Jules) and BI to have space.
On defense, he boxes out well, allowing others to grab rebounds. |
Yep.
Teams rebounding was horrible in the 1st quarter against NO. |
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LAKERMIKE2 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Look at his career stats, he has shot over 50% entire career until he started jacking up 3's, now he's getting worst last yr 45% fg now to 43% & has abandoned low post I'd say about 85% of a game.
A seven footer who is playing tag instead of basketball, I certainly hope he is elsewhere next year, but we (the Lakers) are still taking a beating on overpaid players, giving effort only when they want to! I'd much rather see Bryant or Zubac playing center doing the same, were eating Deng's contract why not eat 30 more games of Lopez's & get these young kids on the court to see & get experience!!!
Zubac or Bryant, I have a feeling will have a future with us...
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Look at his career stats, he has shot over 50% entire career until he started jacking up 3's, now he's getting worst last yr 45% fg now to 43% & has abandoned low post I'd say about 85% of a game. |
What is his TS% and EFG%?
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HumanVictoryCigar Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with you. Brook Lopez sucks hard, however his expiring contract allowed for our "cap space" trade that also gave us the pick to get Kuzma so I'll forgive Brook's suckiness unless we re-sign him at which point I'll boo anytime he touches the court. The guy should NEVER play for us again after this season. |
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LAKERMIKE2 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Quote: | Look at his career stats, he has shot over 50% entire career until he started jacking up 3's, now he's getting worst last yr 45% fg now to 43% & has abandoned low post I'd say about 85% of a game. |
What is his TS% and EFG%?
There's a reason Zub/Bryant aren't playing right now. They aren't ready. |
I think you understand what I'm saying? I'm just a little baffled on what the FO & coach are trying to accomplish rest of season. I think it's clear we're unlikely to make playoffs, so why not give the kids time to develop 10 minutes or so per game & alternate them. I really what is going through the brass to determine Luke's decisions & winning or developing at this point? Seems to me the team is going through the motions, especially Brook & KCP who are definite FA's. I'm glad & hoping Randles very good play warrants a re-signing... I like his game & best is yet to come, hope he has a clear mind when an option is there, but somehow think Lakers want that big splash but I'm NOT so optimistic & hope we can retain him if we fall short...
I said it many times, I do not want to lose our own top picks if we fall short of FA's. I'll take our many young guys at age 21-22-23 like we did before with Eddie, Nick, etc. then going after gusto over 33-29 yr olds & doing it all over again 3-4 yrs down the road...
BTW, the steal of Kyrie Irving by Celtics (worst than our vetoed trade for CP3) along with their youngsters is what & where we should be. I read the young core thread & how in the world you say or do NOT include Kyrie who is NOT young at age 26 is amazing. LOL _________________ My Laker squad.
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I read the young core thread & how in the world you say or do NOT include Kyrie who is NOT young at age 26 is amazing. LOL
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Maybe b/c at the time I wrote the thread he wasn't on the Celtics yet?
Your post makes no sense b/c you dismiss the tactical reasons why he is doing what he does. You simply use raw stats and make generalized arguments. You discount how badly the Lakers played when he was out with an injury too.
It's not like he's playing 35 mpg or anything. It's just that the Lakers coaching staff, who interacts with guys like Zub/Bryant daily do not feel they're ready for big minutes. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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SDLakersFan Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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He sucks. If Luke gave him the freedom to play the way he did in NJ he could still put up 20 & 7 but his slow pace would kill everyone else's energy. If you want a big man who can shoot from the outside to open up space for slashers, you need a big in the vein of Dirk/Bosh/Love. |
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LAKERMIKE2 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Quote: | I read the young core thread & how in the world you say or do NOT include Kyrie who is NOT young at age 26 is amazing. LOL
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Maybe b/c at the time I wrote the thread he wasn't on the Celtics yet?
Your post makes no sense b/c you dismiss the tactical reasons why he is doing what he does. You simply use raw stats and make generalized arguments. You discount how badly the Lakers played when he was out with an injury too.
It's not like he's playing 35 mpg or anything. It's just that the Lakers coaching staff, who interacts with guys like Zub/Bryant daily do not feel they're ready for big minutes. |
WHAT??? HUH??? R U defending Lopez, if ur talking about him he only missed 4 games!!! WOW!!!!!! I don't consider my post raw stats (fact) & by no means am I arguing anything... You are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying counselor... BTW, Ur ripping my post (no sense, LMAO) Tactical reason he's doing what he's doing??? I don't even want an explanation on this... Funny...
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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How many ??? and !!! do you need? That is funny. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Where was this outrage at Brook when we were ripping off wins? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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LAKERMIKE2 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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SDLakersFan wrote: | He sucks. If Luke gave him the freedom to play the way he did in NJ he could still put up 20 & 7 but his slow pace would kill everyone else's energy. If you want a big man who can shoot from the outside to open up space for slashers, you need a big in the vein of Dirk/Bosh/Love. |
Easy, I'd take Love that's what he does, but he likes to play PF... There' s really NO need for any center to be shooting 3's. Anthony Davis doesn't do it & I would take him over any center in the league, Embiid, he doesn't need to do it, Boogie he's just a wanna be shooting guard.
If I was a coach in NBA, my big would be dominating inside & I would let the other 4 have the authority & green light anytime they wanted!!! _________________ My Laker squad.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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I like Brook, hopefully we find a way to keep him |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Or when your power PF has almost as many turn overs as rebounds. |
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VicXLakers Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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that's the NBA today...
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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#9 in rebounding. We didn't draft him to rebound, but the Lakers are an elite rebounding team.
I don't see what the problem is.
Name a high volume 3pt shooting C that averages 10rpg.
The Lakers were actually once #1 in defensive rebounding. I think LAL kind of misses LNJ here. But as a whole, the entire team isn't gang rebounding like they were the previous month. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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What's worse is knowing that Lopez wasn't really a rebounder in the first place, but did a good enough job boxing out that even the Nets were a top tier rebounding team last season, and it wasn't the offensive boards from all the bricklaying.
More context required than just individual statistics here. Same goes for Lonzo Ball. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Let me guess. OP wanted...Okafor? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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VicXLakers wrote: | that's the NBA today...
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Let me guess. OP wanted...Okafor? |
Like, I even wanted Okafor. But if the dude practically got dismissed from his 2nd workout, like I'm done. That tells me everything I need to know. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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LakeShow500 Sixth Man
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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The offensive spacing of a Randle-Lopez pairing can only really be at a tolerable level if Lopez spends most of his time behind the arc trying to put up volume from there. Like it or not, that's just the reality. |
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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AirKobe8 wrote: | I think your logic is reverse. It's not that Brook is doing this and Luke is allowing him to. Luke is clearly telling him to do it, because that's what Luke's offense wants out of his center.
So it won't change. |
Yep, if Luke was using Lopez in the same ways Atkinson did(in the Nets 1st pace offense) then you'd see Lopez in the paint a lot more.
But Luke only knows the Warriors offense as a coach it seems, because he can't use Lopez at all nor play him to his strengths, and instead is trying to force him into a role that doesn't fit him because he's going to stubbornly stick with the offense even when some players/roles could be better utilized with a small change here or there.
That's a problem with Luke's coaching in general. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: |
Name a high volume 3pt shooting C that averages 10rpg.
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DeMarcus Cousins. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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