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trablos
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Different standard for coaches than front office personnel. |
So Thibodeau can say exactly what Magic said and not get a tampering charge even though he also has the title President of Basketball operations? |
Yes, Magic wouldn’t have been fined if not for the Pelinka fine. After that Silver told them no more mentioning player’s names but Magic disobeyed that directive. Minny isn’t under the same microscope. |
Do NBA bylaws allow for the NBA commissioner to provide a disparity in rule enforcement and treatment of individual franchises? Has a 'probationary' period of extra scrutiny been communicated to the Lakers where uneven enforcement of tampering rules will be administered? If not, then this is BS. |
Yes, not speaking about other team’s players was specifically communicated to the Lakers. |
Dude we know you hate Magic, but do you think anybody would expect a fine when complimenting another player after a random question? Rules are rules. There is a double standard. |
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venturalakersfan
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Anyone should expect it if the commissioner specifically told them not to mention players on other teams. And the Laker FO was specifically told that. Silver explained it, look it up and educate yourself. There is no double standard unless you can point out another FO who was told that and then talked about a player on another team. I will wait to hear what team that was.
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The tampering rule is for every team!
Unless there is a separate rule that states tampering rule will start to be enforced to a team only after commisioner tells that specific team he will enforce the tampering rule |
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Eindhoven
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If it's tampering for Magic, it's tampering for another FO member in the league. If Magic can't comment on another player and another FO member can, that's a double standard no matter how you put it.
Silver can't use past tampering offenses from the Lakers to determine guilt. It can be use to aggravate the penalty, if guilty. The problem is that he wanted to shut Magic up and raised stupid standards to do so, now he should stick to it.
In other words, if Subject A committed a crime and Subject B committed the same crime, A can't be convicted because of his previous convictions and B be acquitted because of his clean past. Both should be considered guilty and have different penalties. So, context, in this context, is bollocks.
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| governator wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | How many questions has MJ answered about Kobe and LeBron in the last 8 years? Did he get fined once?
Double standard. The hate is real. (bleep) em. (bleep) em all. |
Does MJ has Magic's title? |
Doesn't matter. If Magic can't answer a question about Giannis as Magic the great player and not his position, then MJ shouldn't answer question about Kobe/LeBron as MJ the great player. Yet he has, countless of times. Not a single fine. I wonder the same for Bird when he was with the Pacers... Probably 0 fines as well. |
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ToastedMuffins
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Tampering is a discretionary rule people.
If it wasn't we could have potentially had draft picks taken away or have been barred from signing Paul George as a free agent. Those are among the punishments for tampering and it was found that the Lakers had in fact tampered. It was at Silver's discretion that the Lakers specific crime didn't fit those punishments which is why we only received a fine.
The fact that some fellow Lakers fans are complaining about tampering being discretionary blows my mind. It's like that one kid back in school when the teacher forgets to assign homework and they open their big mouths reminding the teacher. Just shut the **** up!
Don't be that kid. |
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governator
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | governator wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | How many questions has MJ answered about Kobe and LeBron in the last 8 years? Did he get fined once?
Double standard. The hate is real. (bleep) em. (bleep) em all. |
Does MJ has Magic's title? |
Doesn't matter. If Magic can't answer a question about Giannis as Magic the great player and not his position, then MJ shouldn't answer question about Kobe/LeBron as MJ the great player. Yet he has, countless of times. Not a single fine. I wonder the same for Bird when he was with the Pacers... Probably 0 fines as well. |
8/3/2017, Charlotte Hornets' owner:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/michael-jordan-calls-kawhi-leonard-the-nbas-best-two-way-player-right-now/ |
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PRLakeShow
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| governator wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | governator wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | How many questions has MJ answered about Kobe and LeBron in the last 8 years? Did he get fined once?
Double standard. The hate is real. (bleep) em. (bleep) em all. |
Does MJ has Magic's title? |
Doesn't matter. If Magic can't answer a question about Giannis as Magic the great player and not his position, then MJ shouldn't answer question about Kobe/LeBron as MJ the great player. Yet he has, countless of times. Not a single fine. I wonder the same for Bird when he was with the Pacers... Probably 0 fines as well. |
8/3/2017, Charlotte Hornets' owner:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/michael-jordan-calls-kawhi-leonard-the-nbas-best-two-way-player-right-now/ |
Did he get fined? |
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rogers49
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | All that aside, I think it would be BS if Thibs were fined, just as I think it was petty BS that Magic was fined for complimenting Milwaukee's player.
Context. Magic is a legendary NBA all time great. He was directly asked by a reporter about Giannis. He answers with a compliment to the player and the franchise. He was asked as a former NBA great from whom many have drawn comparison for this player, just as Thibs was asked as a coach.
Calling either of these comments tampering is ludicrous. |
Every form of misconduct, illicit, crime and so on is independent from their author.
Who makes what is completely irrelevant. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | Tampering is a discretionary rule people.
If it wasn't we could have potentially had draft picks taken away or have been barred from signing Paul George as a free agent. Those are among the punishments for tampering and it was found that the Lakers had in fact tampered. It was at Silver's discretion that the Lakers specific crime didn't fit those punishments which is why we only received a fine.
The fact that some fellow Lakers fans are complaining about tampering being discretionary blows my mind. It's like that one kid back in school when the teacher forgets to assign homework and they open their big mouths reminding the teacher. Just shut the **** up!
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Silver even said context is everything.
Problem is, a lot of people nowadays have no concept of context. So, without that, it makes sense thst they just don’t understand shades of gray.
You can look to virtually anything else subjective, even outside of sports, peole have lost all ability to contextualize. It’s a real bummer. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Owners can get fined. Mark Cuban was fined $100K for making comments about LeBron James.
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The league also fined Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations Steve Kerr $10,000 for comments he made regarding James on a radio show on May 14. Kerr joked that he would like to sign James for the mid-level exception, "About five-and-half million, I think he'll take it. Don't you think?" Kerr said.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | The league also fined Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations Steve Kerr $10,000 for comments he made regarding James on a radio show on May 14. Kerr joked that he would like to sign James for the mid-level exception, "About five-and-half million, I think he'll take it. Don't you think?" Kerr said. |
That's a little different than what Magic did. He answered a question as Magic the great player. Kerr answered as the president of bball operations. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | The league also fined Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations Steve Kerr $10,000 for comments he made regarding James on a radio show on May 14. Kerr joked that he would like to sign James for the mid-level exception, "About five-and-half million, I think he'll take it. Don't you think?" Kerr said. |
That's a little different than what Magic did. He answered a question as Magic the great player. Kerr answered as the president of bball operations. |
Nope. When Kerr answered it, he was wearing his “former NBA role player” invisible hat. Thus ... the nba hates Kerr.
Let’s file a complaint folks. Injustice must be defeated. An injustice against one is an injustice against all! |
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PRLakeShow
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| ringfinger wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | The league also fined Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations Steve Kerr $10,000 for comments he made regarding James on a radio show on May 14. Kerr joked that he would like to sign James for the mid-level exception, "About five-and-half million, I think he'll take it. Don't you think?" Kerr said. |
That's a little different than what Magic did. He answered a question as Magic the great player. Kerr answered as the president of bball operations. |
Nope. When Kerr answered it, he was wearing his “former NBA role player” invisible hat. Thus ... the nba hates Kerr.
Let’s file a complaint folks. Injustice must be defeated. An injustice against one is an injustice against all! |
Yes, injustice must be defeated. Thank you for saying that. |
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| crucifixion wrote: | Coaches are allowed to say anything they want as that's normal.
But if he does have a management role then yes I agree he should be fined.
Just depends tho. The league can say since it was immediately after the game he was speaking as the coach. But if he were to go on Kimmel and say the exact thing it would be looked at as coming from his management role. |
Wasn't Phil fined for expressing his desire to have Toronto's Bosh as a free agent? |
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| lakersboy wrote: | | crucifixion wrote: | Coaches are allowed to say anything they want as that's normal.
But if he does have a management role then yes I agree he should be fined.
Just depends tho. The league can say since it was immediately after the game he was speaking as the coach. But if he were to go on Kimmel and say the exact thing it would be looked at as coming from his management role. |
Wasn't Phil fined for expressing his desire to have Toronto's Bosh as a free agent? |
IIRC, he was.
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Michael Malone head coach of the Sacramento Kings in 2013 was fined for tampering when talking about Chris Paul.
| Quote: | | The Kings' infraction is also related to Paul, as new coach Michael Malone said in his introductory press conference that the Clippers point guard would "look pretty good in a Sacramento Kings uniform." |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | The league also fined Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations Steve Kerr $10,000 for comments he made regarding James on a radio show on May 14. Kerr joked that he would like to sign James for the mid-level exception, "About five-and-half million, I think he'll take it. Don't you think?" Kerr said. |
That's a little different than what Magic did. He answered a question as Magic the great player. Kerr answered as the president of bball operations. |
Nope. When Kerr answered it, he was wearing his “former NBA role player” invisible hat. Thus ... the nba hates Kerr.
Let’s file a complaint folks. Injustice must be defeated. An injustice against one is an injustice against all! |
Yes, injustice must be defeated. Thank you for saying that. |
So you think it was an injustice that Kerr was fined for saying what he said with his former NBA role player hat on?? |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | The league also fined Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations Steve Kerr $10,000 for comments he made regarding James on a radio show on May 14. Kerr joked that he would like to sign James for the mid-level exception, "About five-and-half million, I think he'll take it. Don't you think?" Kerr said. |
That's a little different than what Magic did. He answered a question as Magic the great player. Kerr answered as the president of bball operations. |
Nope. When Kerr answered it, he was wearing his “former NBA role player” invisible hat. Thus ... the nba hates Kerr.
Let’s file a complaint folks. Injustice must be defeated. An injustice against one is an injustice against all! |
Yes, injustice must be defeated. Thank you for saying that. |
So you think it was an injustice that Kerr was fined for saying what he said with his former NBA role player hat on?? |
Injustice must be defeated. That's it. |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | The league also fined Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations Steve Kerr $10,000 for comments he made regarding James on a radio show on May 14. Kerr joked that he would like to sign James for the mid-level exception, "About five-and-half million, I think he'll take it. Don't you think?" Kerr said. |
That's a little different than what Magic did. He answered a question as Magic the great player. Kerr answered as the president of bball operations. |
Nope. When Kerr answered it, he was wearing his “former NBA role player” invisible hat. Thus ... the nba hates Kerr.
Let’s file a complaint folks. Injustice must be defeated. An injustice against one is an injustice against all! |
Yes, injustice must be defeated. Thank you for saying that. |
So you think it was an injustice that Kerr was fined for saying what he said with his former NBA role player hat on?? |
Injustice must be defeated. That's it. |
We’re gonna need a catchy protest rant and a hashtag pronto! |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | Injustice must be defeated. That's it. |
We’re gonna need a catchy protest rant and a hashtag pronto! |
That is a great idea. Can someone forward this to Jeannie? |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | Injustice must be defeated. That's it. |
We’re gonna need a catchy protest rant and a hashtag pronto! |
That is a great idea. Can someone forward this to Jeannie? |
You do it! |
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Draft day trade:
Lakers get: Gibson
Wolves get: Deng and Hart
Why for Lakers?
Instead of stretching Deng and have to pay him 7.4 million per year for 5 years to not play, they get Gibson, who does all the dirty work and could be their starting center. His contract is not that bad at 14 million for one more season. Lakers would still be a able to sign the two max players as well.
Why for Wolves?
This would benefit them now that we know Thibs covets Hart. Im sure he covets Deng too, even with his advanced age and all. But Deng was a great player in his system. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | Tampering is a discretionary rule people.
If it wasn't we could have potentially had draft picks taken away or have been barred from signing Paul George as a free agent. Those are among the punishments for tampering and it was found that the Lakers had in fact tampered. It was at Silver's discretion that the Lakers specific crime didn't fit those punishments which is why we only received a fine.
The fact that some fellow Lakers fans are complaining about tampering being discretionary blows my mind. It's like that one kid back in school when the teacher forgets to assign homework and they open their big mouths reminding the teacher. Just shut the **** up!
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And part of the punishment was that the Lakers were forbidden from mentioning by name players on other teams. Even Magic’s fine was just a slap on the wrist.
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