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WHAT IS A FAIR AMOUNT TO PAY STUDENT ATHLETES?
$100.00 a week
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$200.00 a week
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$300.00 a week
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BASED ON THE SPORT
25%
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NO PAY
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:25 pm    Post subject: What would be considered fair to pay student athletes.

Considering the player compensation lawsuit vs. NCAA. Student athletes are given room, board, books, tuition, cost of attendance.

College life is much broader. Night on the town, dinner and a movie, clothing maintenance, hygiene needs, etc.

What would be a fair amount to pay student athletes?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:33 pm    Post subject:

Based on percentage of income generated from their likeness and ticket sales
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject:

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Based on percentage of income generated from their likeness and ticket sales


Wouldn't that be covered by based on the sport?

EDIT: I misread the post with my first response.

That has nothing to do with a scholarship athletes.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject:

I would like them to receive:

a) most, if not all, of the money received related to their individual likeness and autographs (that was not team related such as in a program), and a portion of other sales such as team jerseys, most of which would be deferred.

b) an insurance policy paid for by the school to protect the athlete in case of injury that prevents the athlete from becoming a professional athlete, and/or inhibits their ability to earn an income otherwise, or inhibits them from leading a normal life.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Based on percentage of income generated from their likeness and ticket sales


How exactly do you calculate that?

The athletes are already getting paid via a college scholarship.

If we are talking about making them pay for their schooling, then, different story.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject:

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Based on percentage of income generated from their likeness and ticket sales


Title IX destroys this. You will never get something like a free market solution in college sports.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject:

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Based on percentage of income generated from their likeness and ticket sales


Title IX destroys this. You will never get something like a free market solution in college sports.


Not to mention, imagine a scrub who is the direct relative of a former HOF player or celebrity, getting paid more than a contributing role player because of their likeness.

The athletes are already paid via a scholarship. That is sufficient pay imo.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:08 pm    Post subject:

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Based on percentage of income generated from their likeness and ticket sales


Title IX destroys this. You will never get something like a free market solution in college sports.


Not to mention, imagine a scrub who is the direct relative of a former HOF player or celebrity, getting paid more than a contributing role player because of their likeness.

The athletes are already paid via a scholarship. That is sufficient pay imo.


I think that’s what all the debate is about.

There is a difference between playing time (which a famous scrub should not get what he/she doesn’t earned) and profit generated from likeness (which a famous scrub should get a percentage of, especially if the $ generated is directly due to his/her fame)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject:

Many athletes at bigger programs already get paid "cost of attendance" stipends larger than the amounts listed in the poll. I am not sure what the numbers are today, but most of the Power 5 school athletes get $5K or more a year, deposited monthly into their bank accounts. It is usually over 8-10 months. Beyond that, they get thousands more funneled to them through loopholes throughout a season. For example, during away games each player gets a per diem amount for food and expenses.....but nothing says the school can not provide that cash directly, and still provide all meals to the student athletes which is what happens.

The biggest lie related to college sports in the media today is that these poor souls are being cheated in some manner. A college athlete in a revenue generating sport at a major program lives like a modern day king. They fly almost exclusively on charter flights, their living areas are almost always top notch, they always have spending money in their pockets, the athletic departments now provide meal services 24/7 like a 5 Star hotel.....they basically want for nothing.

I continue to hear how some of them could make so much money off their likeness. I do not see it unless it is a shoe company or something trying to skirt the rules and get ahead of the game for when the player turns pro. Who is going to pay Zion Williams (without anything related to Duke on his body or in the picture) big money to do something? This is always left out of the equation....but Duke is very important to Zion Williams brand.....Alabama is very important to Tua Tagovailoa's brand. Colleges do not force anyone to attend and play sports in their uniform....it is a choice. If you feel like they are "exploiting" you....do not go. It is really that simple....and the complaint about not being able to turn pro without college is an issue with the professional leagues, not the NCAA. The NCAA is the easy target, but the wrong target. College students are forced to provide free labor every day all year in pursuit of a degree.....students in the medical field spend hours at hospitals learning and practicing.....and it is similar in many other professional fields, but I have yet to hear the media compare that to "slavery".
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:57 pm    Post subject:

This is only a problem because the NFL and NBA do not have a very good development league. MLB doesn't have this problem since they offer their athletes a choice....sign with a ball club after high school and go into our farm system or forgo all that and play baseball in college for free.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject:

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The athletes are already paid via a scholarship. That is sufficient pay imo.


This doesn't make sense anymore imo.

It made sense when players would stay in college for 4 years and get a degree.

But now when most players leave after one or two years, and the classes they sit in are fake classes so they don't learn anything except for their sport, then it doesn't work. Because if they can't make it to a pro league, and they haven't learned anything in college, they're back to square one
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:40 pm    Post subject:

Most student athletes don't really generate revenue for their school, so the issue isn't with them. It's with superstar college athletes who put butts in seats and have jerseys and other stuff with their likeness generating money for their school, the NCAA and other corporate entities.

Those guys should be paid something that's proportional to what they generate in revenue, maybe something like a commission. Otherwise they're just being exploited, and some of them are not really there with the intention of getting their education in case they don't make it in the pros (or so I've heard).

We already have enough problems with people who work a regular job being exploited, since incomes in our nation are, for many people, lower than they were in 1980. Just about all of these student athletes, even the superstar ones, will end up working a job like that simply because they only have like a 1 in 10,000 chance of being a pro player.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:12 am    Post subject:

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This is only a problem because the NFL and NBA do not have a very good development league. MLB doesn't have this problem since they offer their athletes a choice....sign with a ball club after high school and go into our farm system or forgo all that and play baseball in college for free.


The NBA has the G League and tweaked it to be more acceptable to high school seniors.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject:

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The athletes are already paid via a scholarship. That is sufficient pay imo.


This doesn't make sense anymore imo.

It made sense when players would stay in college for 4 years and get a degree.

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But now when most players leave after one or two years, and the classes they sit in are fake classes so they don't learn anything except for their sport, then it doesn't work. Because if they can't make it to a pro league, and they haven't learned anything in college, they're back to square one


That's not true. You're probably only considering the women and men who go to college to showcase their talents for the pros. I don't think you're considering how many student athletes go to get a education. LINK

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On Wednesday, the NCAA’s latest Graduation Success Rate report showed that 77 percent of black athletes received diplomas from 2014-17 and that 87 percent of all college athletes graduated. Both are all-time highs.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:42 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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This is only a problem because the NFL and NBA do not have a very good development league. MLB doesn't have this problem since they offer their athletes a choice....sign with a ball club after high school and go into our farm system or forgo all that and play baseball in college for free.


The NBA has the G League and tweaked it to be more acceptable to high school seniors.


I think the NBA has shown that they are getting ready to help fix the problem of unpaid athletes. The NFL on the other hand doesn't really care. If the NBA and NFL has their own farm system where pros that don't want to go to college can sign 6 figure salaries to get their toes wet the NCAA can keep their amateur athletes. Then somebody coming out of high school would have a choice like they have in baseball and you wouldn't have this problem.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:24 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
Based on percentage of income generated from their likeness and ticket sales


How exactly do you calculate that?

The athletes are already getting paid via a college scholarship.

If we are talking about making them pay for their schooling, then, different story.
is easy. the same way they calculate a coaches salary. no excuses. pay the players.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject:

Why not just have a signing bonus? That way a player can sign with the highest bidder.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:45 am    Post subject:

pay them nothing, allow them to make money off their likeness.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:52 pm    Post subject:

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Why not just have a signing bonus? That way a player can sign with the highest bidder.


Then it becomes pointless for about 90% of the schools to even try.....Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Penn State, Auburn, Wisconsin, Florida State, Kentucky, Georgia (the top 15 revenue generating schools) and a few others will just dominate every sport. Schools like Iowa, whose annual revenue from athletics dwarfs Duke, becomes a superior basketball program.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:39 pm    Post subject:

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Many athletes at bigger programs already get paid "cost of attendance" stipends larger than the amounts listed in the poll. I am not sure what the numbers are today, but most of the Power 5 school athletes get $5K or more a year, deposited monthly into their bank accounts. It is usually over 8-10 months. Beyond that, they get thousands more funneled to them through loopholes throughout a season. For example, during away games each player gets a per diem amount for food and expenses.....but nothing says the school can not provide that cash directly, and still provide all meals to the student athletes which is what happens.


I didn't know that. Do you have a link to verify?
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jodeke wrote:
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Many athletes at bigger programs already get paid "cost of attendance" stipends larger than the amounts listed in the poll. I am not sure what the numbers are today, but most of the Power 5 school athletes get $5K or more a year, deposited monthly into their bank accounts. It is usually over 8-10 months. Beyond that, they get thousands more funneled to them through loopholes throughout a season. For example, during away games each player gets a per diem amount for food and expenses.....but nothing says the school can not provide that cash directly, and still provide all meals to the student athletes which is what happens.


I didn't know that. Do you have a link to verify?


what, you do not trust me?

I just googled and skimmed this article after you requested....it appears to be a couple years old, but I think it provides the basic information.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/article86062792.html

also, most college athletes have a couple wardrobes worth of "gear" given to them. 90% of my time in college, I wore t-shirts, sweatshirts, hoodies, shorts, athletic pants, etc. to class, given to me all promoting the football program. I can only imagine how much more and nicer stuff the elite programs give out.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:49 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
Why not just have a signing bonus? That way a player can sign with the highest bidder.


Then it becomes pointless for about 90% of the schools to even try.....Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Penn State, Auburn, Wisconsin, Florida State, Kentucky, Georgia (the top 15 revenue generating schools) and a few others will just dominate every sport. Schools like Iowa, whose annual revenue from athletics dwarfs Duke, becomes a superior basketball program.


I wouldn't be surprised if some state schools shut down their football programs if they have to pay their athletes. Some of them can't even compete with the national powers as is.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:39 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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adkindo wrote;

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Many athletes at bigger programs already get paid "cost of attendance" stipends larger than the amounts listed in the poll. I am not sure what the numbers are today, but most of the Power 5 school athletes get $5K or more a year, deposited monthly into their bank accounts. It is usually over 8-10 months. Beyond that, they get thousands more funneled to them through loopholes throughout a season. For example, during away games each player gets a per diem amount for food and expenses.....but nothing says the school can not provide that cash directly, and still provide all meals to the student athletes which is what happens.


I didn't know that. Do you have a link to verify?


what, you do not trust me?

I just googled and skimmed this article after you requested....it appears to be a couple years old, but I think it provides the basic information.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/article86062792.html

also, most college athletes have a couple wardrobes worth of "gear" given to them. 90% of my time in college, I wore t-shirts, sweatshirts, hoodies, shorts, athletic pants, etc. to class, given to me all promoting the football program. I can only imagine how much more and nicer stuff the elite programs give out.


Thanks for the link. I had no knowledge of efforts to pay student athletes and provide some incidentals.

No I don't trust you. How can anyone trust a Republican?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:12 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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Why not just have a signing bonus? That way a player can sign with the highest bidder.


Then it becomes pointless for about 90% of the schools to even try.....Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Penn State, Auburn, Wisconsin, Florida State, Kentucky, Georgia (the top 15 revenue generating schools) and a few others will just dominate every sport. Schools like Iowa, whose annual revenue from athletics dwarfs Duke, becomes a superior basketball program.


You make a good point, but aren't you a free market guy?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:32 am    Post subject:

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The athletes are already paid via a scholarship. That is sufficient pay imo.


This doesn't make sense anymore imo.

It made sense when players would stay in college for 4 years and get a degree.

But now when most players leave after one or two years, and the classes they sit in are fake classes so they don't learn anything except for their sport, then it doesn't work. Because if they can't make it to a pro league, and they haven't learned anything in college, they're back to square one


The vast majority of college athletes stay for 4 years and get their degree.

And for those that don't, they are leaving by choice, not through forced departure by the university.

So the solution to the fact that they are choosing to leave school and attending fake classes, is to throw money at them? I don't agree with that. How does that solve those problems?
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