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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:20 am    Post subject:

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All home teams should start utilizing that with under a second to play. Just have the timekeeper start the clock, and if the ball isn't caught it becomes an automatic jump ball. Home team wins!!!

Seriously, I just thought they were going to redo the play with 0.6 put back on clock. Oh, well. Sucks for the Magic.


Lol yea. Imagine Spurs doing this in 2004. We'd be livid. Such a bad call from the refs.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:23 am    Post subject:

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All home teams should start utilizing that with under a second to play. Just have the timekeeper start the clock, and if the ball isn't caught it becomes an automatic jump ball. Home team wins!!!

Seriously, I just thought they were going to redo the play with 0.6 put back on clock. Oh, well. Sucks for the Magic.


Lol yea. Imagine Spurs doing this in 2004. We'd be livid. Such a bad call from the refs.

Even though I think the Lakers would have still won, it sets a bad precedence for teams doing this in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:05 am    Post subject:

The ball is more often than not caught tho
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:38 am    Post subject:

There was .6 seconds left. The Magic did not execute and the horn had no bearing on it. Why give them a second chance. If they got it in the first time, would the refs waive off the basket because of the buzzer? No way.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:40 am    Post subject:

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If I was a Magic fan I'd be ecstatic. They're tanking.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:22 am    Post subject:

The Magic never even got a shot off. If they had and then it was waved off because the shot came after the buzzer and the clock started early, that is messed up. Why should the defensive team get penalized? They ran the play and it failed. The clock doesn't even come into play in the scenario. Why should they get another crack at it? It was a weird situation, I give you that but, the right call was made.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:22 am    Post subject:

If there was no clock malfunction the Lakers win the game when Lonzo grabbed at the ball. The refs made the correct call according to the rule book. I'm sure the rule is in place because this is an odd circumstance that is guaranteed to be unfair to one of the teams. Maybe not the best rule but the jump ball acknowledges the potential unfairness on both sides.

And, yes, I had to sit through the 1972 Olympics loss as I threw my basketball at the TV in disgust. The TV survived.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject:

The official explanation:

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The inbounds play was reviewed by the NBA's replay center in Secaucus, New Jersey, where the ruling was made to have a jump ball at center court because of the clock malfunction.

NBA crew chief Bill Spooner explained the rule to a pool reporter afterward.

"Because there's no possession when the clock goes off, the ruling is that there's a jump ball, center circle," Spooner said. "The rule is 13E-9-2. And anytime there is either an inadvertent whistle and/or a horn when the ball is in the air, there's no possession and we go center circle, jump ball."


Still unsure why starting the clock early counts as a "malfunction"?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:39 am    Post subject:

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The official explanation:

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The inbounds play was reviewed by the NBA's replay center in Secaucus, New Jersey, where the ruling was made to have a jump ball at center court because of the clock malfunction.

NBA crew chief Bill Spooner explained the rule to a pool reporter afterward.

"Because there's no possession when the clock goes off, the ruling is that there's a jump ball, center circle," Spooner said. "The rule is 13E-9-2. And anytime there is either an inadvertent whistle and/or a horn when the ball is in the air, there's no possession and we go center circle, jump ball."


Still unsure why starting the clock early counts as a "malfunction"?

Because it shouldn't have started early. Granted, we don't know if it was equipment malfunction (hardware or software) or the official time keeper's failure to correctly operate the equipment. Either way, it is considered a clock malfunction. MALFUNCTION: A failure to function in a normal or satisfactory manner.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:00 am    Post subject:

Irrelevant call! Lakers woulda won anyway

BUT they shoulda LOST! What a bunch of jackass plays and shots towards the end. No clock management! Heck, I'm not sure old Luke even knows clock management.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject:

WOW, just saw the call. It's the worst call I've ever seen, those refs should be suspended a game each!

Dumb rule if so, coulda sworn I've seen refs in past replay out of bounds while resetting clock, definitely a do over...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject:

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If there was no clock malfunction the Lakers win the game when Lonzo grabbed at the ball. The refs made the correct call according to the rule book. I'm sure the rule is in place because this is an odd circumstance that is guaranteed to be unfair to one of the teams. Maybe not the best rule but the jump ball acknowledges the potential unfairness on both sides.

And, yes, I had to sit through the 1972 Olympics loss as I threw my basketball at the TV in disgust. The TV survived.


In this instance, it looks like the result would have been the same anyway but if we are going to evaluate the rule based on what happened after the whistle, there is no need for the ridiculous half court jump ball idea. But then we would have to look at whether there were fouls that went uncalled because time had expired, whether Lonzo possessed the ball for at least 0.6 seconds before stepping out of bounds and so on.

As the rule was applied last night, a clock "malfunction" is an automatic loss for the team with the ball.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:19 am    Post subject:

Lonzo got that inbounds pass. If they reran it Lakers might've been screwed. Bad rule but they got the outcome right.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:28 am    Post subject:

I can see reasoning for replaying the inbound pass if Gordon caught the ball but he didn't...The game would have been over. The Magic are really more upset about the call on the other end that sent Brook to the line. Calling this the worst call in NBA history?? really? Come on..
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject:

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I can see reasoning for replaying the inbound pass if Gordon caught the ball but he didn't...The game would have been over. The Magic are really more upset about the call on the other end that sent Brook to the line. Calling this the worst call in NBA history?? really? Come on..


The direct implications of this is very minor, but the WTH??? factor of the rule is huge and ripe for misuse. You know the Celtic time keeper will keep this in his/her back pocket for a game in a similar scenario.

You know the Spurs time keeper is feeling like he/she cost the Spurs a chip with the 0.4 shot.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject:

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If there was no clock malfunction the Lakers win the game when Lonzo grabbed at the ball. The refs made the correct call according to the rule book. I'm sure the rule is in place because this is an odd circumstance that is guaranteed to be unfair to one of the teams. Maybe not the best rule but the jump ball acknowledges the potential unfairness on both sides.

And, yes, I had to sit through the 1972 Olympics loss as I threw my basketball at the TV in disgust. The TV survived.


In this instance, it looks like the result would have been the same anyway but if we are going to evaluate the rule based on what happened after the whistle, there is no need for the ridiculous half court jump ball idea. But then we would have to look at whether there were fouls that went uncalled because time had expired, whether Lonzo possessed the ball for at least 0.6 seconds before stepping out of bounds and so on.

As the rule was applied last night, a clock "malfunction" is an automatic loss for the team with the ball.

Yes, Treble, it certainly was a head scratching situation. We expect the refs to follow the rule book consistently throughout the game. The jump-ball call was correct and because it was a dead ball situation according to the rule-book, you can't look at that other stuff regarding timing and fouls during the dead ball. But, even in live situations, we also know the refs call the game differently at the end of games. Usually in a predictable manner. Both teams play according to those rules and the refs calling it differently still (theoretically) applies evenly to both teams.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject:

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If there was no clock malfunction the Lakers win the game when Lonzo grabbed at the ball. The refs made the correct call according to the rule book. I'm sure the rule is in place because this is an odd circumstance that is guaranteed to be unfair to one of the teams. Maybe not the best rule but the jump ball acknowledges the potential unfairness on both sides.

And, yes, I had to sit through the 1972 Olympics loss as I threw my basketball at the TV in disgust. The TV survived.


In this instance, it looks like the result would have been the same anyway but if we are going to evaluate the rule based on what happened after the whistle, there is no need for the ridiculous half court jump ball idea. But then we would have to look at whether there were fouls that went uncalled because time had expired, whether Lonzo possessed the ball for at least 0.6 seconds before stepping out of bounds and so on.

As the rule was applied last night, a clock "malfunction" is an automatic loss for the team with the ball.

Yes, Treble, it certainly was a head scratching situation. We expect the refs to follow the rule book consistently throughout the game. The jump-ball call was correct and because it was a dead ball situation according to the rule-book, you can't look at that other stuff regarding timing and fouls during the dead ball. But, even in live situations, we also know the refs call the game differently at the end of games. Usually in a predictable manner. Both teams play according to those rules and the refs calling it differently still (theoretically) applies evenly to both teams.


I suppose that the definitions in all of this are important and I can't fund a good definition of possession. When a team is making a pass it seems like the rules consider that team to be in possession, even if the ball is in flight. If Gordon had shoved someone to receive the ball, it would not have been a loose ball foul. I like to know and follow the rules but this one just doesn't make sense to me in the interpretation , application, or logic.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject:

This is just a typical case of some weird rule that no one notices until it makes a difference in a game (or at least becomes a talking point because it might have made a difference). This will probably get repaired in the coming months, and no one will notice.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:50 pm    Post subject:

Bottom line is, it shouldn't have come down to that last play at all, Lakers inability to close games leads to this & unfortunately many losses.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject:

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The Magic never even got a shot off. If they had and then it was waved off because the shot came after the buzzer and the clock started early, that is messed up. Why should the defensive team get penalized? They ran the play and it failed. The clock doesn't even come into play in the scenario. Why should they get another crack at it? It was a weird situation, I give you that but, the right call was made.


The clock operator is the one who should be penalized, incompetence at its finest.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject:

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If there was no clock malfunction the Lakers win the game when Lonzo grabbed at the ball. The refs made the correct call according to the rule book. I'm sure the rule is in place because this is an odd circumstance that is guaranteed to be unfair to one of the teams. Maybe not the best rule but the jump ball acknowledges the potential unfairness on both sides.

And, yes, I had to sit through the 1972 Olympics loss as I threw my basketball at the TV in disgust. The TV survived.


In this instance, it looks like the result would have been the same anyway but if we are going to evaluate the rule based on what happened after the whistle, there is no need for the ridiculous half court jump ball idea. But then we would have to look at whether there were fouls that went uncalled because time had expired, whether Lonzo possessed the ball for at least 0.6 seconds before stepping out of bounds and so on.

As the rule was applied last night, a clock "malfunction" is an automatic loss for the team with the ball.


The buzzer went off before Lonzo touched the ball
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:17 pm    Post subject:

LAKERMIKE2 wrote:
WOW, just saw the call. It's the worst call I've ever seen, those refs should be suspended a game each!

Dumb rule if so, coulda sworn I've seen refs in past replay out of bounds while resetting clock, definitely a do over...


They have replayed it in the past, it happened to the Wizards previously. Of course upon later review, the refs messed up the time on the clock on that one. It seems the refs screwing up is the one constant.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject:

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If there was no clock malfunction the Lakers win the game when Lonzo grabbed at the ball. The refs made the correct call according to the rule book. I'm sure the rule is in place because this is an odd circumstance that is guaranteed to be unfair to one of the teams. Maybe not the best rule but the jump ball acknowledges the potential unfairness on both sides.

And, yes, I had to sit through the 1972 Olympics loss as I threw my basketball at the TV in disgust. The TV survived.


In this instance, it looks like the result would have been the same anyway but if we are going to evaluate the rule based on what happened after the whistle, there is no need for the ridiculous half court jump ball idea. But then we would have to look at whether there were fouls that went uncalled because time had expired, whether Lonzo possessed the ball for at least 0.6 seconds before stepping out of bounds and so on.

As the rule was applied last night, a clock "malfunction" is an automatic loss for the team with the ball.


The buzzer went off before Lonzo touched the ball


Yeah thats one of many reasons why I thought it's unfair to determine the ruling based on what happened after the horn. When the error occurred, the ball was mid flight and it was not clear what would happen on the play. Neither team had an advantage. Easiest fix in my mind is to just replay it. The magic almost certainly still lose and it lets the players decide the game. Seems like a no brainer.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject:

It's a bad rule, but clear two things up for me.

1) Why are we blaming the refs, unless it was based on a judegement call they had to make? If it's in the rules, then they have to go by the rules.

2) Why are so many people in favor of the jump ball. Saying either that we would have won anyways, or (even less admirable) saying that we get screwed so it's our turn to screw someone else? Are we so thirsty for a win that we should throw all sportsmanship out the window?

With that said, can't wait for the two minute report.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:09 pm    Post subject:

The players played on despite the horn sounding and Lonzo knocked the ball away. To me it was poetic justice after Gordon banked in that 3. But whatever
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