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venturalakersfan
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | Malone at age 40 was a huge difference maker for the Lakers and some of you think a 34 year old LeBron won’t?
LeBron at age 34 is better then a lot and I mean a lot of players in the NBA |
Shaq and Kobe were the difference makers on that team. We don’t have Shaq and Kobe.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Karl Malone haha one season 13 points a game. Bad reference to back up the theory |
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| This is all irrvelant discussion anyways, as I believe management will be smart enough to avoid signing james. |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| I think Lebron is an outside shot to come to the Lakers anyways as he would have to buddy up with another big name free agent...Where as he wouldn't have do that in Houston or Philly. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Codyb1010 wrote: | | To me it is relevant because people enamor over him because of his stats. Rebounds are mostly defensive and hes a huge guy not impressed. Im 5 10. 2. His assists okay wow he has the ball in his hands all game and has good shooters around him. 3. Scoring he gets alot of easy fastbreak layups and dunks. Not a great 3 point shooter. Way more enamored by Westbrook stats. People just see what they wanna see. Lebron James is turning 34 and is not a good fit for our team. Simple as that. Not impressed. |
Your hot takes today. Oh my.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Remember when the HEAT were thought of as not 1, not 2...
They went to 4 Finals and at the end they were gassed and not deep enough.
Warriors may get there sooner than expected, plus unlike the HEAT situation, they didn't have 4 guys making max level money. |
Sustained success is very hard to achieve. Which is why the Bulls 2 3-peats and Lakers 3-peat will be looked upon fondly. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Malone at age 40 was a huge difference maker for the Lakers and some of you think a 34 year old LeBron won’t?
LeBron at age 34 is better then a lot and I mean a lot of players in the NBA |
Shaq and Kobe were the difference makers on that team. We don’t have Shaq and Kobe. |
Wow so having a Impact player does not matter? |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Remember when the HEAT were thought of as not 1, not 2...
They went to 4 Finals and at the end they were gassed and not deep enough.
Warriors may get there sooner than expected, plus unlike the HEAT situation, they didn't have 4 guys making max level money. |
Sustained success is very hard to achieve. Which is why the Bulls 2 3-peats and Lakers 3-peat will be looked upon fondly. |
Lost in that thought process is that we are looking at 8 straight Finals trips for Lebron, yet the idea that is wearing on him is ignored. The signs are there but the question is, when will the wheels fall off? That is the gamble and why a team built around him has a small window. You need to be prepared to win the next 3 years.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Remember when the HEAT were thought of as not 1, not 2...
They went to 4 Finals and at the end they were gassed and not deep enough.
Warriors may get there sooner than expected, plus unlike the HEAT situation, they didn't have 4 guys making max level money. |
Sustained success is very hard to achieve. Which is why the Bulls 2 3-peats and Lakers 3-peat will be looked upon fondly. |
Lost in that thought process is that we are looking at 8 straight Finals trips for Lebron, yet the idea that is wearing on him is ignored. The signs are there but the question is, when will the wheels fall off? That is the gamble and why a team built around him has a small window. You need to be prepared to win the next 3 years. |
I'm fine with a 3-year window. It's been 8 years on no window at all and I don't want to wait 4 morefor the guys to "gel" and mature.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Remember when the HEAT were thought of as not 1, not 2...
They went to 4 Finals and at the end they were gassed and not deep enough.
Warriors may get there sooner than expected, plus unlike the HEAT situation, they didn't have 4 guys making max level money. |
Sustained success is very hard to achieve. Which is why the Bulls 2 3-peats and Lakers 3-peat will be looked upon fondly. |
Lost in that thought process is that we are looking at 8 straight Finals trips for Lebron, yet the idea that is wearing on him is ignored. The signs are there but the question is, when will the wheels fall off? That is the gamble and why a team built around him has a small window. You need to be prepared to win the next 3 years. |
I'm fine with a 3-year window. It's been 8 years on no window at all and I don't want to wait 4 morefor the guys to "gel" and mature. |
With Lebron probably signing a 1+1 contract, how would that help the Lakers since they probably will not be favored to win a ring with Warriors/Rockets in the way - even with PG13
Lakers’ young players have been showing many tangible signs that they are only one key superstar closer away that will want to stay with the Lakers for several years (PG13) |
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The Lakers signing KCP to the money they signed him to was specifically to get James - they are 100% trying to get LeBron James - it's not a maybe.
He may not come but it's not the Lakers saying, "nah"
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| emplay wrote: | The Lakers signing KCP to the money they signed him to was specifically to get James - they are 100% trying to get LeBron James - it's not a maybe.
He may not come but it's not the Lakers saying, "nah" |
FO would look very foolish if they don't go after LBJ - along with PG13.
Question is will LBJ be asking for 1+1 contract (translation: one year rental). Would having LBJ for just one year plus giving up all the assets needed to pay him be good for the Lakers in the long run.
Your suggestions in another thread is noted and recognized that our starters would be comparable to the vast majority of the other NBA teams not name the Warriors. Many have predicted that having LBJ would greatly deplete our bench and will have no rim protestor (assuming that Randle is playing for another team_
With Randle playing for another team, there would be no legitimate low post presence on offense and defense hence becoming a team depended on jump shots - acknowledging that Lopez is not a rim protestor and Zubac is not yet ready.
LBJ is a HOF player and PG13 is a superstar that would make the Lakers more relevant and exciting to see on television. It would just make the Lakers the next version of OKC, Cavs and a few others that are one step below the Warriors and possibly the Rockets in the 2018-2019 season.
FO have problems that are great to have and hard decisions need to be made based on their evaluations of the talent in question.
Ironic that if the Lakers get LBJ and PG13, this might mean that Deng will actually get PT. |
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deng won't get playing time - if they offered 2 firsts and $5 mil they're getting teams to take Deng - if they offer a 1st and no cash, they won't get a taker IMO (and others' opinion around the league) - so there's a range for Rob to explore to get out of deng if they want to keep randle - very doable
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| emplay wrote: | | deng won't get playing time - if they offered 2 firsts and $5 mil they're getting teams to take Deng - if they offer a 1st and no cash, they won't get a taker IMO (and others' opinion around the league) - so there's a range for Rob to explore to get out of deng if they want to keep randle - very doable |
Do you think they will do this before or after July 1st? Can trades even be done between July 1-6? Wouldn't it be better to dump Deng before the free agent negotiation period? |
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Few teams if any will have the cap space for Deng before July - so no, probably not in June
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| I feel the Lakers should just trade Deng, 2018 Cavs 1st, 2020 Lakers 1st, 2019 Bulls 2nd to the Bulls for Asik and be done with it. Along with renouncing all free agents except for Randle, this would be enough to sign James, George and Randle. |
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| emplay wrote: | | Few teams if any will have the cap space for Deng before July - so no, probably not in June |
Are the Lakers allowed to make such a trade during the moratorium? Or, do they have to wait till its over? How would this affect free agent negotiations? Would Lebron be willing to sign pending a Deng trade? |
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2 firsts for Asik? That's too rich - they can turn 2 firsts into $0 salary
and it's all about timing - not they can't trade during moratorium but it's not really significant. If LBJ picks LA, then they'll make the room to do what they need to do
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| emplay wrote: | 2 firsts for Asik? That's too rich - they can turn 2 firsts into $0 salary
and it's all about timing - not they can't trade during moratorium but it's not really significant. If LBJ picks LA, then they'll make the room to do what they need to do |
Eric, that would be ideal. You seem very confident that they can pull that off! That is great news! |
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I spoke to someone with a team the other day - and said does a 1st and $5 mil get it done - he said probably not. I said 2 1sts and $5 mil, he said that would be very attractive to a rebuilding team under the floor.
I didn't get into different variations - what if Chicago 2nd, etc.
But if the Lakers are so motivated, they have some ammunition to get rid of Deng - in doing so, they open up room for LBJ, PG & Julius.
In theory the first step is line up a trade for Deng contingent on needing it - but not executing it. Then work closely with Aaron Mintz to secure both PG and Randle.
Then go to LBJ with PG & Julius already locked and loaded - nothing executed yet - get the yes, trade Deng, and go from there
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LBJ would be a great fit for any team. But he has maybe 3 to 4
great years left. Why would he want to play on a lottery team
that has yet to make the playoffs? He wants to win now and would scrap a team to get there. He can pick the best team to win a title next year and still pay his max. The Laker right now don't fit the criteria.
On the other hand, PG may be a possibility. OKC is not in a position to give him the max. If the Lakers offer him the max and the position of being the number one option, he will have to look at it.
The Lakers have to be patient, hard in LA.
Keep their draft picks and stretch Deng ASAP. Get him off your minds and get to rebuilding.
Have to keep Randle unless he requests a ridiculous salary.
Thomas only if he can be a 6th man which he won't.
Keep Lopez and KCP if possible. |
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OKC is in the position to give George the max with larger raises and more years.
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I think we both may be right depends on what happens.
Went to Hoopshype under salaries for information.
This year OKC is at 134M. Next year if PG opts out the
will be at 82M.
But they have to sign Westbrook first probably at 32M.
So this is 114M. Add 30M for PG and 10M for other players and
you have 154M.
This is high luxury tax costs. GS this year is top at 137.5M.
One way OKC can afford it is if Anthony gives up his player option
at 28M. Then they have room to sign PG, but cannot see Anthony giving up that kind of money at this stage in his career.
But this would seem a safer bet than LBJ coming to the Lakers as many teams would want him at the max and are not lottery teams but just a player away from the championship. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Malone at age 40 was a huge difference maker for the Lakers and some of you think a 34 year old LeBron won’t?
LeBron at age 34 is better then a lot and I mean a lot of players in the NBA |
Shaq and Kobe were the difference makers on that team. We don’t have Shaq and Kobe. |
How much better impact was 2004 Shaq or Kobe compared to Lebron now? (I still see LeBron as top 5 players in the league with KD/Steph/Harden/WB) |
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go to basketball insiders - not hoopshype for salary info - mine is accurate, lol
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