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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:58 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject:

5-7 years....Ingram playing against PG13 and LBJ will turn a monster. Add kuz, ball and randle...and this kid hart
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Usually the early 30s were the peak and best years for elite players physically and mentally.


I disagree with that statement....early 30's are not the best physical years for players or males in general....and most advanced metrics illustrate PG has been on a decline the last 2 seasons.

Was speaking about in the NBA, as the most success the best players in the league tends to happen in their early 30's, while at their most complete and they then begin the decline heading into their mid 30s for the elite players. Kobe won back to back titles as "the guy" in his 30's, Magic won back to back MVP's in his 30's, LeBron beat the 73 win Warriors at age 31, Wilt won his first championship at age 30, etc. Paul George isn't even close to that caliber of player, but his peak and best years for him are still to come, as the best years for elite years are in their late 20s and early 30s. George's best year so far was just last year and was one a candidate for DPOTY this year, his best basketball is still on the way.


the items you listed are simply anecdotal....it's like listing a bunch of females that you know that had healthy children in their early 40's, and concluding that post 40 is the idea time for a female to have children. In regards to PG-13....take a look at his overall advanced metrics, and then let me know if you believe last year was his best year.

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His best offensive season was last year and he was a much more complete player than the player he was during those contending Pacers years. He is far more skilled as a playmaker and shooter last season and now than during those Pacers teams that went up against LeBron & the Heat. He also played with very good defensive players in the starting 5 during that time period with Hibbert, George Hill, Stephenson, & West compared to playing with Monta Ellis & Jeff Teague on the wings and a 2nd year Myles Turner & Thad Young. So, the metrics do show flaws, just like in one of Kawhi's DPOTY seasons showed that the team was better on defense with him off the floor, yet the reason for that was due to him playing a lot of his minutes with minus defenders in Tony Parker & Pau Gasol. Paul George is much more skilled and refined now than before, not sure how you can't say he isn't. He is a much, much better shooter now, better as a pick n roll ball handler, better handles with the ball in his hands, better passer, etc. Not sure how you can't see that Paul George is a better player now than before.


We are just going to disagree if you looked at his advanced metrics and feel last year he was at his best. His VORP, BPM (especially his OBPM), PER, Rebounding% and Assist% have all been in decline since the 2015-16 season. He no longer routinely shows the athletic explosion he did before the injury...his game, like almost all players as they age has transitioned into more of a perimeter game. Paul George is still a very good player, and will be for several more years....but he has been in his prime years for 2-3 years, and appears to have already been at his athletic/physical peak. Can't say for sure, but I think the injury altered his course and certainly did not add years to his career.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject:

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This too young stuff is silly. Rondo was in year 2, Perkins was in year 3, when the Celtics won. Harden was six man of the year, in year 3, when OKC made the finals. Paul George was most improve player in year 3 for the Pacers. Leonard was finals MVP at 21. Capela is a key player for the Rockets in year 4.

Randle, Ingram, and Ball are high lottery picks. Going into their 5th, 3rd, and 2nd season respectfully. If they need another 2-3 years to contribute to a championship team, we drafted the wrong guys.


I don’t think you quite understand. Rondo was surrounded by vets including pierce, KG, Ray Allen. Harden was young as was okc but that team had 3 future MVPs and they still lost. Paul George had a veteran team around him and they didn’t get very far in a weak east, Leonard was a special talent but still on a pop coached team while being on one of the oldest rosters in the nba, capela is a decent young player again on a team full of contributing vets plus an mvp and one of the best PGs of all time.

Our entire team is young guys, we’d have 2 big time vets leading sopmores. It’s not like it’s one or two young guys surrounded by vets, it’d be 1 or 2 vets surrounded by an inexperienced team thats used to losing and hasn’t even tasted the playoffs once. They need seasoning before they can contend. Not to mention I feel like it’s much more difficult to contend these days, the contenders now have multiple all stars on one team plus a cast full of contributing vets..
Even Channing fry has said he’s tried to talk to the guys about some more advanced defensive concepts and the coaching had to pull him back like hey man, they don’t know this stuff yet, stick to the basics


I don't think you understand. The Celtics will have Kyrie, Hayward, Hortford and a bunch of young guys and are expected to contend. If the Sixers sign a max player. It will be Embiid in year 5, Simmons and Saric in year 3, Fultz in year 2, and they are expected to contend.

When LeBron went back to Cleveland, it was Kyrie in year 4, Thompson in year 4, and Waiters in year 3, and they were expected to contend.

This idea that you need a bunch of 28 year olds are silly. The Celtics will have 26 Kyrie, 28 year old Hayward, 32 Hortford, 29 year old Morris, 20 year old Tatum, 22 year old Brown, and 24 year old Smart and Rozier.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:20 pm    Post subject:

1. LeBron
2. PG13
3 Randle
4. Lopez
5. Ball

6. Ingram
7. Kuzma
8. Hart
9. T.Bryant
10. 45th pick

Ring chasing vets.

I see a 3 year window. Might be longer depending on how our youg core develop
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:05 pm    Post subject:

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This too young stuff is silly. Rondo was in year 2, Perkins was in year 3, when the Celtics won. Harden was six man of the year, in year 3, when OKC made the finals. Paul George was most improve player in year 3 for the Pacers. Leonard was finals MVP at 21. Capela is a key player for the Rockets in year 4.

Randle, Ingram, and Ball are high lottery picks. Going into their 5th, 3rd, and 2nd season respectfully. If they need another 2-3 years to contribute to a championship team, we drafted the wrong guys.


I don’t think you quite understand. Rondo was surrounded by vets including pierce, KG, Ray Allen. Harden was young as was okc but that team had 3 future MVPs and they still lost. Paul George had a veteran team around him and they didn’t get very far in a weak east, Leonard was a special talent but still on a pop coached team while being on one of the oldest rosters in the nba, capela is a decent young player again on a team full of contributing vets plus an mvp and one of the best PGs of all time.

Our entire team is young guys, we’d have 2 big time vets leading sopmores. It’s not like it’s one or two young guys surrounded by vets, it’d be 1 or 2 vets surrounded by an inexperienced team thats used to losing and hasn’t even tasted the playoffs once. They need seasoning before they can contend. Not to mention I feel like it’s much more difficult to contend these days, the contenders now have multiple all stars on one team plus a cast full of contributing vets..
Even Channing fry has said he’s tried to talk to the guys about some more advanced defensive concepts and the coaching had to pull him back like hey man, they don’t know this stuff yet, stick to the basics


I don't think you understand. The Celtics will have Kyrie, Hayward, Hortford and a bunch of young guys and are expected to contend. If the Sixers sign a max player. It will be Embiid in year 5, Simmons and Saric in year 3, Fultz in year 2, and they are expected to contend.

When LeBron went back to Cleveland, it was Kyrie in year 4, Thompson in year 4, and Waiters in year 3, and they were expected to contend.

This idea that you need a bunch of 28 year olds are silly. The Celtics will have 26 Kyrie, 28 year old Hayward, 32 Hortford, 29 year old Morris, 20 year old Tatum, 22 year old Brown, and 24 year old Smart and Rozier.


Those that you mentioned are good balanced rosters. Not sure what you’re trying to say. And contend is being generous for both those teams. As of right now I consider only 2 teams to be contenders. Warriors & rockets.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:59 am    Post subject:

No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:18 am    Post subject:

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No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.
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No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:43 am    Post subject:

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This too young stuff is silly. Rondo was in year 2, Perkins was in year 3, when the Celtics won. Harden was six man of the year, in year 3, when OKC made the finals. Paul George was most improve player in year 3 for the Pacers. Leonard was finals MVP at 21. Capela is a key player for the Rockets in year 4.

Randle, Ingram, and Ball are high lottery picks. Going into their 5th, 3rd, and 2nd season respectfully. If they need another 2-3 years to contribute to a championship team, we drafted the wrong guys.


I don’t think you quite understand. Rondo was surrounded by vets including pierce, KG, Ray Allen. Harden was young as was okc but that team had 3 future MVPs and they still lost. Paul George had a veteran team around him and they didn’t get very far in a weak east, Leonard was a special talent but still on a pop coached team while being on one of the oldest rosters in the nba, capela is a decent young player again on a team full of contributing vets plus an mvp and one of the best PGs of all time.

Our entire team is young guys, we’d have 2 big time vets leading sopmores. It’s not like it’s one or two young guys surrounded by vets, it’d be 1 or 2 vets surrounded by an inexperienced team thats used to losing and hasn’t even tasted the playoffs once. They need seasoning before they can contend. Not to mention I feel like it’s much more difficult to contend these days, the contenders now have multiple all stars on one team plus a cast full of contributing vets..
Even Channing fry has said he’s tried to talk to the guys about some more advanced defensive concepts and the coaching had to pull him back like hey man, they don’t know this stuff yet, stick to the basics


I don't think you understand. The Celtics will have Kyrie, Hayward, Hortford and a bunch of young guys and are expected to contend. If the Sixers sign a max player. It will be Embiid in year 5, Simmons and Saric in year 3, Fultz in year 2, and they are expected to contend.

When LeBron went back to Cleveland, it was Kyrie in year 4, Thompson in year 4, and Waiters in year 3, and they were expected to contend.

This idea that you need a bunch of 28 year olds are silly. The Celtics will have 26 Kyrie, 28 year old Hayward, 32 Hortford, 29 year old Morris, 20 year old Tatum, 22 year old Brown, and 24 year old Smart and Rozier.


Those that you mentioned are good balanced rosters. Not sure what you’re trying to say. And contend is being generous for both those teams. As of right now I consider only 2 teams to be contenders. Warriors & rockets.


The Rockets and the Warriors are the only contenders THIS SEASON. But next season, if the Lakers add two max guys, if the Sixers add a star(aka Kawahi), the Celtics come back whole, those teams will be contenders.

The Rockets aren't winning because P.J. Tucker, Ryan Anderson and Trevor Ariza.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:49 am    Post subject:

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No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's the defeated nature of this board. People won't believe something until it happens. Last summer, the Warriors were the clear cut favorite. Then the Rockets join the party after they got off to a great start. Next season, someone will join the party like the Rockets did. My bet will be either the Lakers, Celtics or Sixers.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's not hard to understand. Some people would have a hard time getting excited about a window that requires us to hitch our wagon to Lebron. Even if you like Lebron, you know that it would be a circus. That's reasonable.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Judah wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's not hard to understand. Some people would have a hard time getting excited about a window that requires us to hitch our wagon to Lebron. Even if you like Lebron, you know that it would be a circus. That's reasonable.


Eh. We'll be fine. He typically has a 4 year window anyway, and he would not have a no trade clause so we could ship his butt to the Spurs for KL if we want to trade him in.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Judah wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's not hard to understand. Some people would have a hard time getting excited about a window that requires us to hitch our wagon to Lebron. Even if you like Lebron, you know that it would be a circus. That's reasonable.


Also would like to point out that the optimistic outcome of the speculated 3 year window.

Besides the concerns of the James circus that could easily undermine the young core and coaching over that span. There is the issue of just how competitive you are expecting in that timeline. They are all-in for improvement. But Contender?

Expecting a lot for the young core to develop into consistent playoff ready contributors the first year. Will they develop at a fast enough rate to support a declining James? Because that will be the narrative. They are not doing enough. Not James. It's never James.
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Aeneas Hunter wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Judah wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's not hard to understand. Some people would have a hard time getting excited about a window that requires us to hitch our wagon to Lebron. Even if you like Lebron, you know that it would be a circus. That's reasonable.

I don’t care about a “circus” if the team has a legitimate chance to win it all. The KFT was a circus too, and that team stunk. The circus also came to town one way or another every year during the Kobe-Shaq era. I’ll happily take potential championships with an occasional “circus” over missing the playoffs with a “peaceful” environment.
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Judah wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's not hard to understand. Some people would have a hard time getting excited about a window that requires us to hitch our wagon to Lebron. Even if you like Lebron, you know that it would be a circus. That's reasonable.


Also would like to point out that the optimistic outcome of the speculated 3 year window.

Besides the concerns of the James circus that could easily undermine the young core and coaching over that span. There is the issue of just how competitive you are expecting in that timeline. They are all-in for improvement. But Contender?

Expecting a lot for the young core to develop into consistent playoff ready contributors the first year. Will they develop at a fast enough rate to support a declining James? Because that will be the narrative. They are not doing enough. Not James. It's never James.


The alternative is not something Magic is going to follow, a Denver Nuggets style trajectory where we are a borderline team with some nice young prospects (they have Jokic who is an all star level player).
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Judah wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's not hard to understand. Some people would have a hard time getting excited about a window that requires us to hitch our wagon to Lebron. Even if you like Lebron, you know that it would be a circus. That's reasonable.


Also would like to point out that the optimistic outcome of the speculated 3 year window.

Besides the concerns of the James circus that could easily undermine the young core and coaching over that span. There is the issue of just how competitive you are expecting in that timeline. They are all-in for improvement. But Contender?

Expecting a lot for the young core to develop into consistent playoff ready contributors the first year. Will they develop at a fast enough rate to support a declining James? Because that will be the narrative. They are not doing enough. Not James. It's never James.

BI, Kuzma, and Randle all averaged 16 ppg this year. Kuzma has even had games where he’s scored over 30. And the team, despite having a majority of young players, had a top defense for a good part of the year. Just how much do you expect them to have to contribute as role players that they haven’t already shown?
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LeBron will be 34 & Paul George will be 28 next season, and assuming that the young players don't get traded to help Bron win more, how ever long LeBron plays, the team would stay as contenders. The team would be Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, and Hart (Randle is out of the core at the moment) getting progressively better each season, Paul George heading into the prime of his career, along with ring chasers off the bench. Best case scenario, Lakers get LeBron for 4-5 years and win titles, and once LeBron decides to retire, Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, & Hart are ready to take the mantle with rings to their resumes, while playing in a lot of big games already, allowing the Lakers to be contenders for practically a decade with LeBron and post-LeBron is the best case scenario.

This is my thinking. If we get two all stars, the burden is reduced across the board. The young guys don't have the pressure of "leading" us to a title, and the all stars don't have the pressure of doing it all alone, they will have solid contributors in guys who could be playing at an all star level in a year or two (Randle, Kuz, BI), and your ideal point guard as the engine behind it all. I don't see age being a detriment to contending given that we'd have proven stars to help them along the way. And the fact that we would be in amazing shape when the all stars get older, is all the more reason why the plan works out perfectly in the short and long term.
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Judah wrote:
Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Judah wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's not hard to understand. Some people would have a hard time getting excited about a window that requires us to hitch our wagon to Lebron. Even if you like Lebron, you know that it would be a circus. That's reasonable.


Also would like to point out that the optimistic outcome of the speculated 3 year window.

Besides the concerns of the James circus that could easily undermine the young core and coaching over that span. There is the issue of just how competitive you are expecting in that timeline. They are all-in for improvement. But Contender?

Expecting a lot for the young core to develop into consistent playoff ready contributors the first year. Will they develop at a fast enough rate to support a declining James? Because that will be the narrative. They are not doing enough. Not James. It's never James.

BI, Kuzma, and Randle all averaged 16 ppg this year. Kuzma has even had games where he’s scored over 30. And the team, despite having a majority of young players, had a top defense for a good part of the year. Just how much do you expect them to have to contribute as role players that they haven’t already shown?


Right.

It's sort of a contradictory argument.

On the one hand, you want to organically build with BI/Kuz/Lonzo/Jules...

But then you use these same players' lack of readiness to say we shouldn't pursue top FAs who may present a shorter championship (when's the last time we could colorably utter this word and the Lakers?) window.

Can't have it both ways IMO.

I think our young guys have shown that they can certainly be the #3-7 guys in a championship rotation.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Judah wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
No doubt Magic would gladly take a 2-3 year championship window while keeping most of the young core that has been currently assembled. No doubts whatsoever.

So would I. Happily.


It's incredible that some would turn down a 3 year window (with a chance, depending on our young core, to be stretched longer but TBD).


It's not hard to understand. Some people would have a hard time getting excited about a window that requires us to hitch our wagon to Lebron. Even if you like Lebron, you know that it would be a circus. That's reasonable.


Also would like to point out that the optimistic outcome of the speculated 3 year window.

Besides the concerns of the James circus that could easily undermine the young core and coaching over that span. There is the issue of just how competitive you are expecting in that timeline. They are all-in for improvement. But Contender?

Expecting a lot for the young core to develop into consistent playoff ready contributors the first year. Will they develop at a fast enough rate to support a declining James? Because that will be the narrative. They are not doing enough. Not James. It's never James.


The alternative is not something Magic is going to follow, a Denver Nuggets style trajectory where we are a borderline team with some nice young prospects (they have Jokic who is an all star level player).


I agree. It is not what Magic will do. That is my concern.

The Lakers will do everything in their power to make the big splash. Including already selling off assets in the hopes it can happen this summer.

I simply do not not see the team on the court being the contending juggernaut that others seem to. James is a small window that needs a lot of dominoes to fall into place.

The team so many are speculating is not winning a Championship in a year or two IMO. As James declines (despite a incredible year this year) and the young core ascends there might be a sweet spot in year three. If James can be a role player at that point. Not sure his body or ego would allow him to do so.

Why the Nuggets comparison. Why not the Jazz or Wolves? All three teams are developing a culture. Not so sure the proposed Laker team does not get knocked off by any in a playoff match-up. Not as lopsided as some would like to think with the win now couple year window Lakers.

Loved the identity and culture the Lakers are building. It will not continue with James. I am not looking forward to that change. I prefer a more patient approach and a longer timeline over the quick fix headline grabber with James.

Add George by all means. Re-sign Randle. Keep the young core intact and let them build something over the next 5+ years.

Apologies for my same old rant. I was entertained this past year. I finally saw some major hope for the future. And I do not share the enthusiasm for the James addition that undermines it all. Signing James is like a Andre Ingram sideshow. Feels good, makes you want to stand up and cheer but unlikely it is sustainable or will end well IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:25 am    Post subject:

^^^agreed yinoma, I think the hesitancy is that this group along won't lead us to contending RIGHT NOW, but they can certainly do it as the supporting cast with two of Bron/Kawhi/PG. Its not like they are complete scrubs, they all are showing great promise as a whole and are certainly capable of being "role players" for a championship squad.
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The team so many are speculating is not winning a Championship in a year or two IMO. As James declines (despite a incredible year this year) and the young core ascends there might be a sweet spot in year three. If James can be a role player at that point. Not sure his body or ego would allow him to do so.

Why the Nuggets comparison. Why not the Jazz or Wolves? All three teams are developing a culture. Not so sure the proposed Laker team does not get knocked off by any in a playoff match-up. Not as lopsided as some would like to think with the win now couple year window Lakers.


Jazz have an all-NBA player in Gobert.

Twolves have likely 2 all NBA players in Butler/KAT.

Nuggs even have one in Jokic.

We have young guys who may become an all star 2-3 years from now.

We need top flight talent. Magic is not waiting 2-3 years so that they start approaching their pre-prime window all the while being an annual 8-9th seed level team.
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The team so many are speculating is not winning a Championship in a year or two IMO. As James declines (despite a incredible year this year) and the young core ascends there might be a sweet spot in year three. If James can be a role player at that point. Not sure his body or ego would allow him to do so.

Why the Nuggets comparison. Why not the Jazz or Wolves? All three teams are developing a culture. Not so sure the proposed Laker team does not get knocked off by any in a playoff match-up. Not as lopsided as some would like to think with the win now couple year window Lakers.


Jazz have an all-NBA player in Gobert.

Twolves have likely 2 all NBA players in Butler/KAT.

Nuggs even have one in Jokic.

We have young guys who may become an all star 2-3 years from now.

We need top flight talent. Magic is not waiting 2-3 years so that they start approaching their pre-prime window all the while being an annual 8-9th seed level team.


There are two separate discussions at play

What will Magic "do" in the short term and to keep the Lakers in the headlines.

And what path provides the best chance to be contend long term. You stated it yourself. "young core needs 2-3 years. Add younger vets to the mix to develop with them and compliment what is currently working.

As you see the instant Championship contender with James, I am seeing a young core progress quickly past the 8-9th seed status quickly with the right additions and player development. As those players earn their All-Star status the Lakers become contenders in that 2-3 window. And keep competing instead of having to rebuild again after the James circus leaves town and the chaos he tends to leave teams in.

If James leaves Cleveland, how do you think they look next year?

I tend to think this is a moot discussion anyways. IMO James plays out his final couple years in CLE. Primary target should be George. Which could easily be over as soon as OKC ownership chooses to pay him to stay.

Going to be an interesting off-season. So many will be thrilled or disgusted buy the exact same Laker move.

Two paths.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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The team so many are speculating is not winning a Championship in a year or two IMO. As James declines (despite a incredible year this year) and the young core ascends there might be a sweet spot in year three. If James can be a role player at that point. Not sure his body or ego would allow him to do so.

Why the Nuggets comparison. Why not the Jazz or Wolves? All three teams are developing a culture. Not so sure the proposed Laker team does not get knocked off by any in a playoff match-up. Not as lopsided as some would like to think with the win now couple year window Lakers.


Jazz have an all-NBA player in Gobert.

Twolves have likely 2 all NBA players in Butler/KAT.

Nuggs even have one in Jokic.

We have young guys who may become an all star 2-3 years from now.

We need top flight talent. Magic is not waiting 2-3 years so that they start approaching their pre-prime window all the while being an annual 8-9th seed level team.


It would be smart if he did to wait out the Houston/GSW window if necessary. CP3 is 32 and his knees can't warrant 36mpg over 82 games.
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The team so many are speculating is not winning a Championship in a year or two IMO. As James declines (despite a incredible year this year) and the young core ascends there might be a sweet spot in year three. If James can be a role player at that point. Not sure his body or ego would allow him to do so.

Why the Nuggets comparison. Why not the Jazz or Wolves? All three teams are developing a culture. Not so sure the proposed Laker team does not get knocked off by any in a playoff match-up. Not as lopsided as some would like to think with the win now couple year window Lakers.


Jazz have an all-NBA player in Gobert.

Twolves have likely 2 all NBA players in Butler/KAT.

Nuggs even have one in Jokic.

We have young guys who may become an all star 2-3 years from now.

We need top flight talent. Magic is not waiting 2-3 years so that they start approaching their pre-prime window all the while being an annual 8-9th seed level team.


It would be smart if he did to wait out the Houston/GSW window if necessary. CP3 is 32 and his knees can't warrant 36mpg over 82 games.


By that time we will have to pay BI/Lonzo/Kuz their FMV prices.
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