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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:30 pm    Post subject: BR: Re-Drafting 2017 NBA Draft (Ball #4, Kuzma #9, Hart #20)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770321-re-drafting-the-2017-nba-draft-1st-round

4) Lonzo Ball (down from #2)

9) Kyle Kuzma (up from #27)

20) Josh Hart (up from #30)

Agree, disagree?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:46 pm    Post subject:

Hart should be higher, Kuzma should be higher
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:06 pm    Post subject:

Mitchell & Tatum are 1 & 2; IMO...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:09 pm    Post subject:

Love how they fault Kuz/Hart for their age, but BR was more than happy to jump on the Malcolm Brodgon train last year when he was 24 and the ROY.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:09 pm    Post subject:

deal wrote:
Mitchell & Tatum are 1 & 2; IMO...


Yeah, too early to put Fultz at number 2... I can see him getting there, but Tatum needs to be there right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:20 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
deal wrote:
Mitchell & Tatum are 1 & 2; IMO...


Yeah, too early to put Fultz at number 2... I can see him getting there, but Tatum needs to be there right now.


If the draft happened today....still think Fultz has a better than even chance to go #1.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:23 pm    Post subject:

Not bad, average of 8.7 spots above where picked.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:23 pm    Post subject:

doubt Jonathan Isaac slips to #10....just been injured, but the defensive versatility has been impressive when he has been on the court. Recently heard Vecenie claim that when Isaac and Aaron Gordon have shared the court, Orlando has a 90.4 Defensive Rating!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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deal wrote:
Mitchell & Tatum are 1 & 2; IMO...


Yeah, too early to put Fultz at number 2... I can see him getting there, but Tatum needs to be there right now.


If the draft happened today....still think Fultz has a better than even chance to go #1.


Yeah, my mind is open, but I can't say this based on one triple double performance in the pros.

Tatum looks like a seasoned pro at 19 years... I might put him ahead of Mitchell.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
deal wrote:
Mitchell & Tatum are 1 & 2; IMO...


Yeah, too early to put Fultz at number 2... I can see him getting there, but Tatum needs to be there right now.


If the draft happened today....still think Fultz has a better than even chance to go #1.


Yeah, my mind is open, but I can't say this based on one triple double performance in the pros.

Tatum looks like a seasoned pro at 19 years... I might put him ahead of Mitchell.


do not think it is really based on anything he did this season in the few games he played, more the likelihood he returns to form. If so, that player would still clearly be the most talented/valuable player in the draft in my opinion. I thought I may in the minority with that opinion until recently when I have heard several national draft guys make the same claim. Obviously if you do not think he regains the jump shot, you would likely have a different opinion as the ceiling drops significantly.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: BR: Re-Drafting 2017 NBA Draft (Ball #4, Kuzma #9, Hart #20)

Nashlight wrote:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770321-re-drafting-the-2017-nba-draft-1st-round

4) Lonzo Ball (down from #2)

9) Kyle Kuzma (up from #27)

20) Josh Hart (up from #30)

Agree, disagree?



Probably fair right now. Those rankings could easily go up and down depending how guys' careers go. You don't get a really clear view until about five years after the draft.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:37 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
deal wrote:
Mitchell & Tatum are 1 & 2; IMO...


Yeah, too early to put Fultz at number 2... I can see him getting there, but Tatum needs to be there right now.


If the draft happened today....still think Fultz has a better than even chance to go #1.


Nah, I think they got number one right, and I don't think Fultz really cracks the top 3 in an actual redraft
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:47 pm    Post subject:

Yup. We done goodT this last draft
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject:

Hart at 20 is egregiously bad
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject:

List looks about right from an objective standpoint. We will be 1,2,3 next year
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Hart at 20 is egregiously bad


feels that way....but when I look at the guys on the list, I could probably play devils advocate on why the 19 before him should be there based on the value they are projected to bring to their team.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject:

horrible list. Kuz and hart should be higher
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Hart at 20 is egregiously bad


feels that way....but when I look at the guys on the list, I could probably play devils advocate on why the 19 before him should be there based on the value they are projected to bring to their team.


Hart has a legit case against Kennard, Zach Collins, Jordan Bell, Bam, John Collins. Well, at least he had a clearly better season than all of those guys except J.Collins but probably still a bit better year by Hart. Guess the writer just isn't very high on his upside, that's a very opinion based thing - outlooks. Monk is also arguable


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:58 pm    Post subject:

TDRock wrote:
Yup. We done goodT this last draft


bet we rank at least in the top 5 for value obtained based on drafting position for the last 4 years. Definitely #1 in 2017.

2014 - Randle @ #7, Clarkson @ #46
2015 - DLO @ #2, Nance @ #27
2016 - Ingram @ #2, Zubac @ #32
2017 - Ball @ #2, Kuzma @ #27, Hart @ #30, Bryant @ #42
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:58 pm    Post subject:

my list

Mitchell
Tatum
Lonzo*
Fultz*
DSJ
Lauri
Jackson
Kuzma
Isaac
Fox

Hart is somewhere between 10-18
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:59 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
adkindo wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Hart at 20 is egregiously bad


feels that way....but when I look at the guys on the list, I could probably play devils advocate on why the 19 before him should be there based on the value they are projected to bring to their team.


Hart has a legit case against Kennard, Zach Collins, Jordan Bell, Bam, John Collins. Well, at least he had a clearly better season than all of those guys except J.Collins but probably still a bit better year by Hart. Guess the writer just isn't very high on his upside, that's a very opinion based thing - outlooks


sure he does....I could argue Hart should be higher, no doubt.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject:

one thing is for sure....2017 has at least solidified itself as being a deep draft....will have to wait a few more years to know if it will be a historic draft.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: BR: Re-Drafting 2017 NBA Draft (Ball #4, Kuzma #9, Hart #20)

Nashlight wrote:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770321-re-drafting-the-2017-nba-draft-1st-round

4) Lonzo Ball (down from #2)

9) Kyle Kuzma (up from #27)

20) Josh Hart (up from #30)

Agree, disagree?


How in the hell is Fultz rated #2 above Tatum and Zo?

Kuz at 7 should be the lowest we see him.

Hart at 20 is also egregious...lowest is around 11 or 12...no way Frank Ntilikina or Issac are better players...that Issac is even close to Kuz is a joke...watched him a handful of times after the ASB...kid was absolutely lost.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject:

I would draft all 3 higher.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: BR: Re-Drafting 2017 NBA Draft (Ball #4, Kuzma #9, Hart #20)

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...that Issac is even close to Kuz is a joke...watched him a handful of times after the ASB...kid was absolutely lost.


think you must have been watching someone else....everyone that I know that watched Isaac this season and written or commented on him has been very impressed. I would definitely draft Jonathan Isaac ahead of Kuzma.
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