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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Fortysixn2 wrote: | | Larger center eat him up honestly. |
He had a couple times early in the season where he got taken to school (Embiid and someone else), and then he played much better against the same players the second time around. Opposing centers actually shot a higher eFG against Lopez (54.2%) and Bogut (55.9%) than they did against Randle (51.4%). |
I remember he played well in his last matchup with AD.
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| Megaton wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | Fortysixn2 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Also the people going "yeah but can bully ball work in playoff atmosphere!"
have you SEEN how much more chippy it gets in the playoffs? |
The problem is bully ball is the ONLY option for Randle. Which makes him predictable especially in the playoffs.
Nurkic got exposed for playing the same kind of bully ball offense because that's also the only thing he can do as well, and he got his ass kicked for it.
Players with high usage that have more versatile offensive skill sets instead of just one style of ball thrive.
Let's think playoffs for a second, how do you suspect Randle to perform against the likes of Anthony Davis? Playoff Draymond Green? Rudy Gobert? How would you honestly think Randle would fair against those guys especially at Center? Honestly. |
Larger center eat him up honestly. He’s a 16/8 guy who plays a bit better than league average defense, is a good rebounder, can finish around the rim but cannot shoot, fouls a lot, turns the ball over a lot and averages less than a steal and a block per game.
I’m not sure what type of players his fans here think he is, but he’s really just another player in the league. If he is the 1st or 2nd highest paid player on your team you either have a lack of talent or you overpaid him. That’s the bottom line on old Jules. Unless he learns to shoot at a high efficiency from outside of maybe 10 feet he really has no additional upside at this point either. |
Still doesn't change that the Lakers will be stupid as usual by letting another player walk for nothing. |
Another player? Who you talking about? Dwight?
Yeah it would suck to let him go for nothing. Which is why my first priority would be to find a sign and trade deal. Especially with someone like the Spurs that may look to rebuild/retool with the Kawhi situation. |
The priority would be trading Randle to wherever he wants to go.
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| JPaulK0n wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | If the Lakers are going for LeBron/PG and/or Kawhi, paying Randle big money doesn't make sense when you have Kuzma, who plays the same position and also on a cost controlled contract until 2021 and already just as effective of a player for much less than what Randle is going to make. Especially if the Lakers are able to sign LeBron, who at this stage is more of a 4, Randle isn't a full time center and LeBron is at his best with shooters around him, which isn't Randle's game. At the end of the day, Randle is from the old regime than apart of Maginka's front office, who are more than likely going to prioritize "their guys", i.e. Lonzo, Kuzma, Hart, etc. Mitch/Jim Buss drafts pick of Russell, Clarkson, & Nance are already gone since Maginka tookover, and Randle is probably going to be next, especially if a team wants to pay Randle $20 mill. BI is the only one left that wasn't a Maginka pick or FO move, and if Kawhi is really available, they would definitely trade BI if they could get Bron/Kawhi/PG this summer. |
Sure, if you ignore defense, rebounding and creating for others. |
It's a perimeter game now, Kuz's 3 point ability is just much more valuable to have in your PF than Randle's non existent perimeter game. It took Randle 4 years to become a good player in the NBA, Kuzma was already good his first year. They are both the same age, but Kuz is going to be on his rookie deal for 3 more seasons, while Randle is going to be making much, much more, so if you go by cost of production, you go with Kuz. Kuz improved his defense as the season went by, along with just being a much smoother and quicker decision maker when he has the ball compared to Randle who tends to hold the ball much more in his decision making than Kuz. Also, Kuz showed that he can play and guard the SF position as well late in the season when he started at the 3. Randle has made a lot of improvements in his game, especially on defense, but Kuzma is just a more valuable player to have in today's NBA than Randle. If Randle is one of your top 2 highest paid players, not sure that's the most ideal situation for your team if you want to be a real contender or even a playoff team with all the talent in the Western Conference. |
So a perimeter game doesn’t need rebounding, defense or setting up teammates? Keep digging. |
Did you not watch Kuz as the season went on? Kuz had 17 double doubles as a rookie to Randle's 28. Showed that he can guard and play the 4 and the 3, and might be even better at the 3. They both average less than a block and steal a game, so not sure how Randle is this much superior defensive player. Randle needs the ball in his hands and tends to hog the ball to make up his mind, while Kuz already know what he is going to do immediately when he has the ball in comparison to Randle. Randle averaged 2.6 apg, while Kuz averaged 1.8, so not sure how Randle is much better in that category either. Kuz has just a more smoother and polished game than Randle. It took Randle 4 years to do all that you listed, Kuz in his first season is already showing signs that he can do that in his first year to go along with the much superior perimeter game. |
I get it, shooting is sexy, chicks love the long ball. I like Kuzma and hope he doesn’t get traded but at the same age, Randle is a much better NBA player. We can, and hopefully will, have both. On the court together they bring a lot of positives.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | Did you not watch Kuz as the season went on? Kuz had 17 double doubles as a rookie to Randle's 28. Showed that he can guard and play the 4 and the 3, and might be even better at the 3. They both average less than a block and steal a game, so not sure how Randle is this much superior defensive player. Randle needs the ball in his hands and tends to hog the ball to make up his mind, while Kuz already know what he is going to do immediately when he has the ball in comparison to Randle. Randle averaged 2.6 apg, while Kuz averaged 1.8, so not sure how Randle is much better in that category either. Kuz has just a more smoother and polished game than Randle. It took Randle 4 years to do all that you listed, Kuz in his first season is already showing signs that he can do that in his first year to go along with the much superior perimeter game. |
I realize that Kuzma is a fan favorite and that people get a bit irrational about him. Just the same, here is a side-by-side comparison of Randle and Kuzma. It really isn't close, especially when you account for minutes per game (the Per 36 numbers). Kuzma's only advantage is that he is a mediocre three point shooter, while Randle is a bad three point shooter. The Advanced numbers are especially telling, for example TRB% and Assist%.
You say that it took Randle four years to get to this point, but Kuzma spent four years in college. Kuzma would need to make a leap to get into the discussion with Randle. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely. Anyway, Randle is a PF/C, while Kuzma is a PF/SF. Unless Kuzma makes a transformation this late in his development, he is going to be a perimeter guy who can sometimes go inside. As of now, he is a defensive liability as a PF and lacks the three point shooting or passing to be a good SF. Again, he could get better, he doesn't have the expected career arc of a 19 year old one-and-done.
I'll leave it at that, because criticizing Kuzma tends to evoke hysteria. I'm not here to advocate giving Randle a max contract. I think some people overrate Randle. However, Kuzma is not a replacement for Randle. |
36% 3 point shooter is mediocre now? What do we call Julius Randle's 22% 3 point percentage than? Kuz spotting up makes the game easier and spaces the floor better for everyone, while Randle is strictly a paint player. If you watched late into the season, Kuzma definitely wasn't a defensive liability at all. Not sure why Kuz's age should be a knock, the guy has "it" in his first season and not sure why he won't continue to get even better. Randle improved a lot and is someone that turned himself into a winning player in his 4th year, but if we are talking about giving him $16-20 million a year, which might be his market, it wouldn't make sense to shell out that much money when you already have Kuzma, who is going to outplay the cost of production much more likely than Randle will, especially if the Lakers go the 2 max route. Kuz's catch and shoot and scoring ability is more valuable to have in a shooters league than Randle's paint game imo. |
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| MJST wrote: | Also the people going "yeah but can bully ball work in playoff atmosphere!"
have you SEEN how much more chippy it gets in the playoffs? |
Yeah, that's called excess testosterone. No one is playing "bully ball". |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | Fortysixn2 wrote: | | Larger center eat him up honestly. |
He had a couple times early in the season where he got taken to school (Embiid and someone else), and then he played much better against the same players the second time around. Opposing centers actually shot a higher eFG against Lopez (54.2%) and Bogut (55.9%) than they did against Randle (51.4%). |
I remember he played well in his last matchup with AD. |
He also played well in his rematch against Embiid where he posterized him, defended him better than Lopez AND stopped him down the stretch defensively.
But people never want to bring that up for some reason.
They always love to say "he can't do that against big with length" around the times he had just done it about two games prior vs Anthony Davis lol -_-
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Julius is definitely tricky. Depending on the situation, he can be a key piece or a luxury piece.
If Lakers can land both LeBron and PG, then Julius is just a luxury piece.
Land only PG, then Julius becomes key.
The thing I like most about Julius is he brings a toughness and physicality that opponents don't want to mess with. |
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| JPaulK0n wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | I realize that Kuzma is a fan favorite and that people get a bit irrational about him. Just the same, here is a side-by-side comparison of Randle and Kuzma. It really isn't close, especially when you account for minutes per game (the Per 36 numbers). Kuzma's only advantage is that he is a mediocre three point shooter, while Randle is a bad three point shooter. The Advanced numbers are especially telling, for example TRB% and Assist%.
You say that it took Randle four years to get to this point, but Kuzma spent four years in college. Kuzma would need to make a leap to get into the discussion with Randle. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely. Anyway, Randle is a PF/C, while Kuzma is a PF/SF. Unless Kuzma makes a transformation this late in his development, he is going to be a perimeter guy who can sometimes go inside. As of now, he is a defensive liability as a PF and lacks the three point shooting or passing to be a good SF. Again, he could get better, he doesn't have the expected career arc of a 19 year old one-and-done.
I'll leave it at that, because criticizing Kuzma tends to evoke hysteria. I'm not here to advocate giving Randle a max contract. I think some people overrate Randle. However, Kuzma is not a replacement for Randle. |
36% 3 point shooter is mediocre now? What do we call Julius Randle's 22% 3 point percentage than? Kuz spotting up makes the game easier and spaces the floor better for everyone, while Randle is strictly a paint player. If you watched late into the season, Kuzma definitely wasn't a defensive liability at all. Not sure why Kuz's age should be a knock, the guy has "it" in his first season and not sure why he won't continue to get even better. Randle improved a lot and is someone that turned himself into a winning player in his 4th year, but if we are talking about giving him $16-20 million a year, which might be his market, it wouldn't make sense to shell out that much money when you already have Kuzma, who is going to outplay the cost of production much more likely than Randle will, especially if the Lakers go the 2 max route. Kuz's catch and shoot and scoring ability is more valuable to have in a shooters league than Randle's paint game imo. |
1. Yes, a 36% three point percentage is mediocre. The league average was 36% this season.
2. Randle took 45 threes all season. Kuzma took 434. Randle's three point percentage doesn't do much for your argument. Randle had a much higher TS% and was a much more efficient scorer.
3. Kuzma's defense got a better late in the year, but he remains a poor defensive player. But that's not such a big advantage for Randle, because Randle isn't exactly the second coming of Bill Russell.
4. Kuzma's age is relevant because you are comparing his development to Randle's development as a one-and-done. It's reasonable to expect Kuzma to improve, but not to the same degree as a one-and-done.
5. I'm not advocating the idea of breaking the bank to keep Randle. I'm addressing the idea that Kuzma is a replacement for Randle. He isn't. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Is Randle Fools Gold? |
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| LawyerShawn wrote: | Randle has played well. And he can continue to improve.
But there are a few factors of concern.
(1) It's a contract year.
(2) Difficult to position him. Can't play center full time without length, and can't play PF full time without range.
(3) How effective is his "bully ball" style in the playoffs, when team defenses increase?
What do you think? |
it's a contract year means nothing because he's so young. if it was an older player who is some timey, then i would be worried. thats not him. hes getting better every year. he wants to be great. he doesnt want to be rich and just ok. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | JPaulK0n wrote: | | If the Lakers are going for LeBron/PG and/or Kawhi, paying Randle big money doesn't make sense when you have Kuzma, who plays the same position and also on a cost controlled contract until 2021 and already just as effective of a player for much less than what Randle is going to make. Especially if the Lakers are able to sign LeBron, who at this stage is more of a 4, Randle isn't a full time center and LeBron is at his best with shooters around him, which isn't Randle's game. At the end of the day, Randle is from the old regime than apart of Maginka's front office, who are more than likely going to prioritize "their guys", i.e. Lonzo, Kuzma, Hart, etc. Mitch/Jim Buss drafts pick of Russell, Clarkson, & Nance are already gone since Maginka tookover, and Randle is probably going to be next, especially if a team wants to pay Randle $20 mill. BI is the only one left that wasn't a Maginka pick or FO move, and if Kawhi is really available, they would definitely trade BI if they could get Bron/Kawhi/PG this summer. |
Sure, if you ignore defense, rebounding and creating for others. |
It's a perimeter game now, Kuz's 3 point ability is just much more valuable to have in your PF than Randle's non existent perimeter game. It took Randle 4 years to become a good player in the NBA, Kuzma was already good his first year. They are both the same age, but Kuz is going to be on his rookie deal for 3 more seasons, while Randle is going to be making much, much more, so if you go by cost of production, you go with Kuz. Kuz improved his defense as the season went by, along with just being a much smoother and quicker decision maker when he has the ball compared to Randle who tends to hold the ball much more in his decision making than Kuz. Also, Kuz showed that he can play and guard the SF position as well late in the season when he started at the 3. Randle has made a lot of improvements in his game, especially on defense, but Kuzma is just a more valuable player to have in today's NBA than Randle. If Randle is one of your top 2 highest paid players, not sure that's the most ideal situation for your team if you want to be a real contender or even a playoff team with all the talent in the Western Conference. |
So a perimeter game doesn’t need rebounding, defense or setting up teammates? Keep digging. |
Did you not watch Kuz as the season went on? Kuz had 17 double doubles as a rookie to Randle's 28. Showed that he can guard and play the 4 and the 3, and might be even better at the 3. They both average less than a block and steal a game, so not sure how Randle is this much superior defensive player. Randle needs the ball in his hands and tends to hog the ball to make up his mind, while Kuz already know what he is going to do immediately when he has the ball in comparison to Randle. Randle averaged 2.6 apg, while Kuz averaged 1.8, so not sure how Randle is much better in that category either. Kuz has just a more smoother and polished game than Randle. It took Randle 4 years to do all that you listed, Kuz in his first season is already showing signs that he can do that in his first year to go along with the much superior perimeter game. |
I get it, shooting is sexy, chicks love the long ball. I like Kuzma and hope he doesn’t get traded but at the same age, Randle is a much better NBA player. We can, and hopefully will, have both. On the court together they bring a lot of positives. |
Correction:
Chicks dig* the long ball!
So the commercial goes.... |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I think Jules is maximized if he is with a stretch big (i.e. Brook).
He was previously paired up with Mozgov and Hibbert, and that was disastrous.
I don't think you can fully evaluate Jules without knowing who plays "center" next to him. |
The problem if we actually sign PG and Lebron is how do you fit a stretch 5 in here and still have room for Randle? I guess some people think we move PG to SG and try to keep Lopez. ??? Then we would start Lopez, Lebron and Randle in the front court with PG and Lonzo in the backcourt. But would that really maximize PG13 and his abilities.
Where do we play BI and Kuz??
If we have to move some of these guys to the bench, which ones make the most sense, which ones are going to blend the best with the new talent?
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | ElginBaylor wrote: | | He's 23 and he works hard. He'll continue to improve for the next 3-5 years, which imo will be regrettable if the Lakers don't find a way to hang on to him. |
I would give that same assessment to most of the young roster.
Strictly as a fan looking for entertainment, I enjoy watching this roster and envisioning the possibilities. Walton and the players are building a entertaining style and work hard on defense. Not sure I can say the same for all the marquee players being discussed. Is the future Iso ball and half assed defense?
Give this young core that 3 years to develop and build chemistry. Keep the guys like Randle that put in the work and do everything they are asked to do. Add free agents when the fit is right. Not the one's that will make the team adjust to them for all the wrong reasons.
IMO future is bright if they let it grow. Randle should be a part of it. |
This is why I think we should really ONLY go after two FA's. If we can't sign two guys for 60 million then screw it.
I like the core we have and if we can bring in two solid guys who can carry us for a couple of years, our current core will be able to pick up the slack after that.
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| Wino wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think Jules is maximized if he is with a stretch big (i.e. Brook).
He was previously paired up with Mozgov and Hibbert, and that was disastrous.
I don't think you can fully evaluate Jules without knowing who plays "center" next to him. |
The problem if we actually sign PG and Lebron is how do you fit a stretch 5 in here and still have room for Randle? I guess some people think we move PG to SG and try to keep Lopez. ??? Then we would start Lopez, Lebron and Randle in the front court with PG and Lonzo in the backcourt. But would that really maximize PG13 and his abilities.
Where do we play BI and Kuz??
If we have to move some of these guys to the bench, which ones make the most sense, which ones are going to blend the best with the new talent? |
In that situation Ingram and Kuzma should be coming off the bench
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Is Julius the center of the future?
Do we want a guy who can play defense in the perimeter?
Or a guy who can protect the paint as our center?
Ideally you want both. But I don't see Julius being a great paint protecter. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Wino wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think Jules is maximized if he is with a stretch big (i.e. Brook).
He was previously paired up with Mozgov and Hibbert, and that was disastrous.
I don't think you can fully evaluate Jules without knowing who plays "center" next to him. |
The problem if we actually sign PG and Lebron is how do you fit a stretch 5 in here and still have room for Randle? I guess some people think we move PG to SG and try to keep Lopez. ??? Then we would start Lopez, Lebron and Randle in the front court with PG and Lonzo in the backcourt. But would that really maximize PG13 and his abilities.
Where do we play BI and Kuz??
If we have to move some of these guys to the bench, which ones make the most sense, which ones are going to blend the best with the new talent? |
In that situation Ingram and Kuzma should be coming off the bench |
Ingram will never be benched.
Randle couldn't even start this season over Larry Nance. There is way too much investment in Ingram here for him to ever come off the bench.
Only way he doesn't start is if he were traded.
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| Megaton wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Wino wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think Jules is maximized if he is with a stretch big (i.e. Brook).
He was previously paired up with Mozgov and Hibbert, and that was disastrous.
I don't think you can fully evaluate Jules without knowing who plays "center" next to him. |
The problem if we actually sign PG and Lebron is how do you fit a stretch 5 in here and still have room for Randle? I guess some people think we move PG to SG and try to keep Lopez. ??? Then we would start Lopez, Lebron and Randle in the front court with PG and Lonzo in the backcourt. But would that really maximize PG13 and his abilities.
Where do we play BI and Kuz??
If we have to move some of these guys to the bench, which ones make the most sense, which ones are going to blend the best with the new talent? |
In that situation Ingram and Kuzma should be coming off the bench |
Ingram will never be benched.
Randle couldn't even start this season over Larry Nance. There is way too much investment in Ingram here for him to ever come off the bench.
Only way he doesn't start is if he were traded. |
Then we wouldn’t be trying to win. Who is Ingram better than? Lebron? George? Randle? Maybe Ball. Our investment would be in Lebron, George and Randle, not Ingram. Ingram could gain more experience, and hopefully a lesser load off the bench to prevent more injuries, and move into the starting lineup when Lebron moves on.
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Dude would be a monster in the playoffs, they let guys play. I hope we keep him and just sign PG13. Then we can sneak Klay away the following year.
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Guy is another flexible piece. He took off getting the lion's share of minutes and shots, but injury to others was a part of that.
He has value as a RFA. Only way IMO he isn't a Laker is if they sign PG/Lebron, in which case I won't be crying about Randle.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Wino wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think Jules is maximized if he is with a stretch big (i.e. Brook).
He was previously paired up with Mozgov and Hibbert, and that was disastrous.
I don't think you can fully evaluate Jules without knowing who plays "center" next to him. |
The problem if we actually sign PG and Lebron is how do you fit a stretch 5 in here and still have room for Randle? I guess some people think we move PG to SG and try to keep Lopez. ??? Then we would start Lopez, Lebron and Randle in the front court with PG and Lonzo in the backcourt. But would that really maximize PG13 and his abilities.
Where do we play BI and Kuz??
If we have to move some of these guys to the bench, which ones make the most sense, which ones are going to blend the best with the new talent? |
In that situation Ingram and Kuzma should be coming off the bench |
Ingram will never be benched.
Randle couldn't even start this season over Larry Nance. There is way too much investment in Ingram here for him to ever come off the bench.
Only way he doesn't start is if he were traded. |
Then we wouldn’t be trying to win. Who is Ingram better than? Lebron? George? Randle? Maybe Ball. Our investment would be in Lebron, George and Randle, not Ingram. Ingram could gain more experience, and hopefully a lesser load off the bench to prevent more injuries, and move into the starting lineup when Lebron moves on. |
Was Nance better than Randle?
Not usually about who is better, it's about fit and what Luke wants to play. Luke will never bench Ingram for Randle.
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Remember, he dominated among our current team- he would get shut down if teams focused on him more and embiid totally dominated him, he's too short against real centers.
For that reason, if we get any two of: KL, PG, or lebron I'd rather spend jules money on brook... |
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| Megaton wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Wino wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think Jules is maximized if he is with a stretch big (i.e. Brook).
He was previously paired up with Mozgov and Hibbert, and that was disastrous.
I don't think you can fully evaluate Jules without knowing who plays "center" next to him. |
The problem if we actually sign PG and Lebron is how do you fit a stretch 5 in here and still have room for Randle? I guess some people think we move PG to SG and try to keep Lopez. ??? Then we would start Lopez, Lebron and Randle in the front court with PG and Lonzo in the backcourt. But would that really maximize PG13 and his abilities.
Where do we play BI and Kuz??
If we have to move some of these guys to the bench, which ones make the most sense, which ones are going to blend the best with the new talent? |
In that situation Ingram and Kuzma should be coming off the bench |
Ingram will never be benched.
Randle couldn't even start this season over Larry Nance. There is way too much investment in Ingram here for him to ever come off the bench.
Only way he doesn't start is if he were traded. |
Then we wouldn’t be trying to win. Who is Ingram better than? Lebron? George? Randle? Maybe Ball. Our investment would be in Lebron, George and Randle, not Ingram. Ingram could gain more experience, and hopefully a lesser load off the bench to prevent more injuries, and move into the starting lineup when Lebron moves on. |
Was Nance better than Randle?
Not usually about who is better, it's about fit and what Luke wants to play. Luke will never bench Ingram for Randle. |
No, Nance was not better than Randle only our talent evaluating FO couldn’t see that. The team improved vastly once Randle became a starter. Again, if Ingram starts over Randle we aren’t trying to win, he isn’t nearly as good as Randle and a much worse fit alongside George and Lebron. So better player? No. Better fit? No.
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| Christopher Walken wrote: | Remember, he dominated among our current team- he would get shut down if teams focused on him more and embiid totally dominated him, he's too short against real centers.
For that reason, if we get any two of: KL, PG, or lebron I'd rather spend jules money on brook... |
Jules' proclivity to go and finish left I think is something opposing coaching would really focus on. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Christopher Walken wrote: | Remember, he dominated among our current team- he would get shut down if teams focused on him more and embiid totally dominated him, he's too short against real centers.
For that reason, if we get any two of: KL, PG, or lebron I'd rather spend jules money on brook... |
Jules' proclivity to go and finish left I think is something opposing coaching would really focus on. |
Riddle me this...if Randle was our best player last season, why weren’t teams already focusing on him?
Seems to me that his life gets easier if he’s surrounded with more talent. |
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| Aike wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Christopher Walken wrote: | Remember, he dominated among our current team- he would get shut down if teams focused on him more and embiid totally dominated him, he's too short against real centers.
For that reason, if we get any two of: KL, PG, or lebron I'd rather spend jules money on brook... |
Jules' proclivity to go and finish left I think is something opposing coaching would really focus on. |
Riddle me this...if Randle was our best player last season, why weren’t teams already focusing on him?
Seems to me that his life gets easier if he’s surrounded with more talent. |
I guess they were too busy focusing on Ennis. Seriously, when they started doubling him all the time that the staff spent working with him passing out of the double began to pay off.
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| Aike wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Christopher Walken wrote: | Remember, he dominated among our current team- he would get shut down if teams focused on him more and embiid totally dominated him, he's too short against real centers.
For that reason, if we get any two of: KL, PG, or lebron I'd rather spend jules money on brook... |
Jules' proclivity to go and finish left I think is something opposing coaching would really focus on. |
Riddle me this...if Randle was our best player last season, why weren’t teams already focusing on him?
Seems to me that his life gets easier if he’s surrounded with more talent. |
They were. Some people just like to shut their eyes when he's double and triple teamed every game.
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