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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:51 am Post subject:
lakersfever714 wrote:
No, take Lonzo and this year's first. BI is like the best looking prospect we've had in a long time. We struck out with DLo and JR so it's less likely that we struck out with BI as well.
We struck out with Randle? Nothing personal but that is an idiotic take. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:12 am Post subject:
Without seeing Kawhi's medical records, I'd withhold moving out on any realistic trade for him, with one exception. Swap Deng for him ? Sure. _________________ “These GOAT discussions are fun distractions while sitting around waiting for the pizza to be served.”
is this real life? Kawhi is indisputably a top 10 NBA player and arguably a top 5 NBA player.
BI current trajectory is no where close. A ridiculous question to ask as the Spurs would want much more in a trade but the answer is obviously yes assuming his health checks out. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi
Wait...just Ingram? Of course, the better question is if the Spurs would trade Leonard for just Ingram lol. _________________ If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft. - Magic Johnson Mar 27, 2011
For all of you out there questioning Jimmer Fredette of BYU, he is the real deal. - Magic Johnson Mar 20, 2011
KL is legit, no reason to say no unless he doesn't pass the
physical. I have a feeling KL has been holding out due to
other reasons not necessarily health related, but much
of that will become clearer within the next few months... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
No reason to trade for Kawhi when he'll be a free agent in the summer of 2019. Let's see how healthy he is next season before jumping on that ship.
The reason to trade for Kawhi is because he's under contract for just $20.1M this year and Randle has just a $12.4M cap hold, which would allow you to construct a pretty good team around them, and neither of those things will be true next summer.
The reason you trade for KL is because LeBron can be walking through the door, there is no scenario next summer that will have the same domino effect like this summer if a KL trade gets done.... please realize that before saying let’s wait until next summer.
No. I think Ingram is being underestimated on his potential growth over the next 2-3+ years.
Also believe the Lakers should be adding talent to the roster not making trades and lateral moves for minimal improvement at this point. Keep Ingram, let him have another year of growth (hopefully with George on the roster) and then pursue Leonard in free agency.
Include salary into the conversation too.
Ingram $6-9M until RFA in 2020.
Leonard Over $20m this year then player option next. Hopefully they can re-sign him for a max? But no guarantees.
I agree with this. Im not trading Ingram either. _________________ "I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber." -Kobe
No reason to trade for Kawhi when he'll be a free agent in the summer of 2019. Let's see how healthy he is next season before jumping on that ship.
The reason to trade for Kawhi is because he's under contract for just $20.1M this year and Randle has just a $12.4M cap hold, which would allow you to construct a pretty good team around them, and neither of those things will be true next summer.
That's a very fair stance. However because of the cryptic nature of his current injury status, I would say that's a big risk to take.
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No reason to trade for Kawhi when he'll be a free agent in the summer of 2019. Let's see how healthy he is next season before jumping on that ship.
The reason to trade for Kawhi is because he's under contract for just $20.1M this year and Randle has just a $12.4M cap hold, which would allow you to construct a pretty good team around them, and neither of those things will be true next summer.
That's a very fair stance. However because of the cryptic nature of his current injury status, I would say that's a big risk to take.
Yeah, obviously you don't trade anyone of value before that question gets answered.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:53 am Post subject:
If the Spurs agreed to take Deng as well. Otherwise, I would just try to sign him outright in 2019. I don't think Kawhi/Paul George/Kuzma/second year Ball is enough to take out GSW. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:10 pm Post subject:
GoldenThroat wrote:
The Grind wrote:
No reason to trade for Kawhi when he'll be a free agent in the summer of 2019. Let's see how healthy he is next season before jumping on that ship.
The reason to trade for Kawhi is because he's under contract for just $20.1M this year and Randle has just a $12.4M cap hold, which would allow you to construct a pretty good team around them, and neither of those things will be true next summer.
Quoted for emphasis _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
If the Spurs agreed to take Deng as well. Otherwise, I would just try to sign him outright in 2019. I don't think Kawhi/Paul George/Kuzma/second year Ball is enough to take out GSW.
We don’t need to get to the top of the mountain in one move. It takes progress and although it isn’t enough to knock off GSW, it’s enough to show him its worth it to resign. That team gets home court in the first round next year, that would be a huge success.
When healthy. Kwame is a top 5 player and a DPOY candidate, so I think it's a no brainer to say yes, because Ingram may never reach that point in his career.
However, I don't think Ingram is done growing as a player, and what I can say is that Ingram was better than Kawhi at the same age. He's got a long way to go.
KWAME BROWN _________________ "You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you"
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The reason you trade for KL is because LeBron can be walking through the door, there is no scenario next summer that will have the same domino effect like this summer if a KL trade gets done.... please realize that before saying let’s wait until next summer.
If you are LeBron... would you rather play with Kawhi only... or a team with Ingram/Randle/Kawhi.
Or if you are PG... would rather play with Kawhi only... or with Ingram/Randle/Kawhi.
Good grief... you only need a phone call to clear up that issue.
Why get rid of two good pieces unnecessarily?
Now if you don't think they are good and are going to get rid of them then that's another story.
I love Ingram as a Laker. I feel he's taken harsh criticism from LG after the front office chose him over DLO. He's the only player here who's been constantly under the scrutiny of the analytics microscope. The flashes should be enough for us, but for some reason we are out for blood. I love Ingram toughness, especially after he gets hit. I love his ability to play point forward. I think he's only 30% unlocked.
It’s unbelievable. I could see him being looked at favorably after he is traded (if he does get moved). Laker nostalgia, if you will.
The dude takes a lot of crap for something that was not his decision.
You guys realize that it was Lonzo who was chosen over Russell, and not Ingram, right? And that Lonzo's pretty beloved by the analytics crowd? Maybe the opinions of Ingram by that group are based on Ingram's performance and not every bit of skepticism about him goes back to D'Angelo Russell?
Quiet as a church until someone mentions DLo I see.
I love Ingram as a Laker. I feel he's taken harsh criticism from LG after the front office chose him over DLO. He's the only player here who's been constantly under the scrutiny of the analytics microscope. The flashes should be enough for us, but for some reason we are out for blood. I love Ingram toughness, especially after he gets hit. I love his ability to play point forward. I think he's only 30% unlocked.
It’s unbelievable. I could see him being looked at favorably after he is traded (if he does get moved). Laker nostalgia, if you will.
The dude takes a lot of crap for something that was not his decision.
You guys realize that it was Lonzo who was chosen over Russell, and not Ingram, right? And that Lonzo's pretty beloved by the analytics crowd? Maybe the opinions of Ingram by that group are based on Ingram's performance and not every bit of skepticism about him goes back to D'Angelo Russell?
Quiet as a church until someone mentions DLo I see.
I'm tired of everything being put through that lens. I don't understand it at all. Not everything revolves around Russell, for chrissakes.
This was the most recent post when I responded this morning. Forgive me for being "quiet as a church" before about this subject, I only recorded an entire podcast about it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:03 pm Post subject:
GoldenThroat wrote:
The Grind wrote:
No reason to trade for Kawhi when he'll be a free agent in the summer of 2019. Let's see how healthy he is next season before jumping on that ship.
The reason to trade for Kawhi is because he's under contract for just $20.1M this year and Randle has just a $12.4M cap hold, which would allow you to construct a pretty good team around them, and neither of those things will be true next summer.
I’d rather have BI, KL, JR and this year’s draft picks next summer than KL, JR and more cap space this summer.
Assuming PG signs, you'd need to trade Deng with the Cavs pick and the Lakers 2020 first rd pick this summer to take advantage of the cap savings you're talking about. At that point, you’d have about $20m in cap room left after trading BI for KL. Unless Lebron is willing to take a $15m paycut (which isn’t happening), which player or combo of players are you signing for $20m this summer that have more upside than BI and the Cavs pick ?
Boogie ?
DJ ?
Aaron Gordon?
Marcus Smart ?
Jabari Parker ?
Will Barton ?
Nurkic ?
Houston won’t let Capella get away, even if everyone else gets shipped out to land Lebron, as his caphold is only $7m.
I realize I’ve always been a much bigger believer in BI’s upside than you are, but I’ll take BI and the Cavs pick over any combo of those guys that you can realistically sign for $20m. I’m assuming you can work a wink-wink deal for Lopez to come back on the room exception under either scenario.
I’m genuinely curious who you would sign with the $20 million that you think is a better option than keeping BI and the Cavs pick.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:06 pm Post subject:
GoldenThroat wrote:
The Grind wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
The Grind wrote:
No reason to trade for Kawhi when he'll be a free agent in the summer of 2019. Let's see how healthy he is next season before jumping on that ship.
The reason to trade for Kawhi is because he's under contract for just $20.1M this year and Randle has just a $12.4M cap hold, which would allow you to construct a pretty good team around them, and neither of those things will be true next summer.
That's a very fair stance. However because of the cryptic nature of his current injury status, I would say that's a big risk to take.
Yeah, obviously you don't trade anyone of value before that question gets answered.
I'd rather see him play next season instead.
Kyrie passed his physical, and but he could have serious long-term knee issues.
Trading Ingram for KL who passes the physical but then ends up having long-term quad issues is a worst-case scenario.
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