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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject:

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hope we make informed decisions on players with unproven/untested injuries



yeah, I'm sure the medical staff will be looking into that. however, I do think
the Spurs will send KL east, IF into trading...


just worried that injured stars maybe looking to us for long term 'Deng' contracts now
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:17 am    Post subject:

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hope we make informed decisions on players with unproven/untested injuries



yeah, I'm sure the medical staff will be looking into that. however, I do think
the Spurs will send KL east, IF into trading...


just worried that injured stars maybe looking to us for long term 'Deng' contracts now


Man that would drive me nuts...Unlike most Laker fans, I am willing to wait until 2019 offseason and sign him outright. I want nothing to do with LeBron!
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:24 am    Post subject:

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This situation is very similar to Kyrie. He requested a trade. He had 1 more year left on his contract. He also had a history of knee problems and sure enough he missed the end of the regular season and playoffs. Some people here say wait until 2019. If the situation is that bad with the Spurs as reported he quite possibly won't be available in 2019. He will likely be traded this summer like Kyrie. Decisions will have to be made quickly for any team that wants him.


It’s actually not similar to Kyrie’s situation.

Kyrie had 2 yrs left. Kyrie was considered healthy when traded. He actually played in the finals. Kawhi hasn’t asked to be traded yet.

This situation is more similar to Paul George. Whoever trades for Kawhi is taking the chance that he won’t re-sign with them, ala Paul George.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject:

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This situation is very similar to Kyrie. He requested a trade. He had 1 more year left on his contract. He also had a history of knee problems and sure enough he missed the end of the regular season and playoffs. Some people here say wait until 2019. If the situation is that bad with the Spurs as reported he quite possibly won't be available in 2019. He will likely be traded this summer like Kyrie. Decisions will have to be made quickly for any team that wants him.


It’s actually not similar to Kyrie’s situation.

Kyrie had 2 yrs left. Kyrie was considered healthy when traded. He actually played in the finals. Kawhi hasn’t asked to be traded yet.

This situation is more similar to Paul George. Whoever trades for Kawhi is taking the chance that he won’t re-sign with them, ala Paul George.


More like a DHoward situation ...
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:39 am    Post subject:

I really hope we go hard after Kawhi. He's the best 2 way player in the league.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject:

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This situation is very similar to Kyrie. He requested a trade. He had 1 more year left on his contract. He also had a history of knee problems and sure enough he missed the end of the regular season and playoffs. Some people here say wait until 2019. If the situation is that bad with the Spurs as reported he quite possibly won't be available in 2019. He will likely be traded this summer like Kyrie. Decisions will have to be made quickly for any team that wants him.


It’s actually not similar to Kyrie’s situation.

Kyrie had 2 yrs left. Kyrie was considered healthy when traded. He actually played in the finals. Kawhi hasn’t asked to be traded yet.

This situation is more similar to Paul George. Whoever trades for Kawhi is taking the chance that he won’t re-sign with them, ala Paul George.


It's not like PG. PG doesn't have any injury issues other than his broken leg a few years ago. Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject:

I'm a huge fan of Kawhi's game. I have followed him through college and during his pro career. That said, I don't see why we would want both him and PG on the same team. One is (presumably) going to opt out and be a FA and has expressed interest in being a Laker. The other is still under contract, with a major Lakers rival, and seems to have either quit on his team this year, or is dealing with very legitimate health concerns. Keeping the majority of last season's roster intact while going after a FA just makes much more sense to me than giving up some of our promising young talent for someone who will be a FA in a season. Of course there is no guarantee we will land PG, but the chances seem high enough to not pull the trigger on any trade with a team that has no desire to do us any favors. Maybe I am missing something, but this is just how I see things right now.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:54 am    Post subject:

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According to multiple sources, Leonard’s camp has come to believe the issue has more to do with an ossification or hardening in the area where the muscle has been repeatedly bruised and then an atrophying, which in turn affected the tendons connecting the muscle to the knee.

I'm not a doc, but this doesn't sound good. Why would you deal any young studs for this guy?


How else are you gonna find an mvp or potential superstar? You take chances. I'd keep BI and trade away the rest if I could. To me the only one untouchable is BI since he has elite length


No thank you. Lets not go through the injury bin to find a super star. The Lakers have drafted super stars through out its history. And any trade they've done to acquire one have been rare and lopsided in our favor.

So the first time in our history where we trade the farm away for a super star, we're doing it for damaged goods? No thank you. Why are people so impatient and pessimistic about the roster?
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject:

We need to keep a close eye on this situation.
If we could work out some kind of sign and trade with Randle and a few minor pieces, etc. I might be in favor of a trade.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:02 am    Post subject:

One small simple question.

Does NBA test 4 steroids?
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:20 am    Post subject:

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One small simple question.

Does NBA test 4 steroids?


Jody Meeks says yes
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject:

32 wrote:
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32 wrote:
This situation is very similar to Kyrie. He requested a trade. He had 1 more year left on his contract. He also had a history of knee problems and sure enough he missed the end of the regular season and playoffs. Some people here say wait until 2019. If the situation is that bad with the Spurs as reported he quite possibly won't be available in 2019. He will likely be traded this summer like Kyrie. Decisions will have to be made quickly for any team that wants him.


It’s actually not similar to Kyrie’s situation.

Kyrie had 2 yrs left. Kyrie was considered healthy when traded. He actually played in the finals. Kawhi hasn’t asked to be traded yet.

This situation is more similar to Paul George. Whoever trades for Kawhi is taking the chance that he won’t re-sign with them, ala Paul George.


It's not like PG. PG doesn't have any injury issues other than his broken leg a few years ago. Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving.


Yeah, I didn't say it was exactly like PG, I said it was more similar than your Kyrie comparison. But I agree w/ JerryWest_44, it is more similar to the DHoward situation.

And I don't get what you mean by your 2nd sentence "Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving."

PG was traded to OKC

Also, you said he likely won't be available in 2019? Why?


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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
32 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
32 wrote:
This situation is very similar to Kyrie. He requested a trade. He had 1 more year left on his contract. He also had a history of knee problems and sure enough he missed the end of the regular season and playoffs. Some people here say wait until 2019. If the situation is that bad with the Spurs as reported he quite possibly won't be available in 2019. He will likely be traded this summer like Kyrie. Decisions will have to be made quickly for any team that wants him.


It’s actually not similar to Kyrie’s situation.

Kyrie had 2 yrs left. Kyrie was considered healthy when traded. He actually played in the finals. Kawhi hasn’t asked to be traded yet.

This situation is more similar to Paul George. Whoever trades for Kawhi is taking the chance that he won’t re-sign with them, ala Paul George.


It's not like PG. PG doesn't have any injury issues other than his broken leg a few years ago. Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving.


Yeah, I didn't say it was exactly like PG, I said it was more similar than your Kyrie comparison. But I agree w/ JerryWest_44, it is more similar to the DHoward situation.

And I don't get what you mean by your 2nd sentence "Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving."

PG was traded to OKC


He requested a trade to the Lakers before Indiana traded him to the Thunder.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject:

32 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
32 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
32 wrote:
This situation is very similar to Kyrie. He requested a trade. He had 1 more year left on his contract. He also had a history of knee problems and sure enough he missed the end of the regular season and playoffs. Some people here say wait until 2019. If the situation is that bad with the Spurs as reported he quite possibly won't be available in 2019. He will likely be traded this summer like Kyrie. Decisions will have to be made quickly for any team that wants him.


It’s actually not similar to Kyrie’s situation.

Kyrie had 2 yrs left. Kyrie was considered healthy when traded. He actually played in the finals. Kawhi hasn’t asked to be traded yet.

This situation is more similar to Paul George. Whoever trades for Kawhi is taking the chance that he won’t re-sign with them, ala Paul George.


It's not like PG. PG doesn't have any injury issues other than his broken leg a few years ago. Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving.


Yeah, I didn't say it was exactly like PG, I said it was more similar than your Kyrie comparison. But I agree w/ JerryWest_44, it is more similar to the DHoward situation.

And I don't get what you mean by your 2nd sentence "Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving."

PG was traded to OKC


He requested a trade to the Lakers before Indiana traded him to the Thunder.


I don't remember him requesting a trade to the Lakers, but even if he did, what is the relevance of that?

The Lakers didn't trade for him.
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LongBeachPoly wrote:
32 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
32 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
32 wrote:
This situation is very similar to Kyrie. He requested a trade. He had 1 more year left on his contract. He also had a history of knee problems and sure enough he missed the end of the regular season and playoffs. Some people here say wait until 2019. If the situation is that bad with the Spurs as reported he quite possibly won't be available in 2019. He will likely be traded this summer like Kyrie. Decisions will have to be made quickly for any team that wants him.


It’s actually not similar to Kyrie’s situation.

Kyrie had 2 yrs left. Kyrie was considered healthy when traded. He actually played in the finals. Kawhi hasn’t asked to be traded yet.

This situation is more similar to Paul George. Whoever trades for Kawhi is taking the chance that he won’t re-sign with them, ala Paul George.


It's not like PG. PG doesn't have any injury issues other than his broken leg a few years ago. Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving.


Yeah, I didn't say it was exactly like PG, I said it was more similar than your Kyrie comparison. But I agree w/ JerryWest_44, it is more similar to the DHoward situation.

And I don't get what you mean by your 2nd sentence "Also PG said he wanted to be traded to the Lakers thus minimize the chance of him leaving."

PG was traded to OKC


He requested a trade to the Lakers before Indiana traded him to the Thunder.


I don't remember him requesting a trade to the Lakers, but even if he did, what is the relevance of that?

The Lakers didn't trade for him.


I already told you. He would most likely resign with us.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:31 am    Post subject:

if im philly im offering Saric/Fultz/laker pick for Kawahi/spurs pick
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:51 am    Post subject:

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if im philly im offering Saric/Fultz/laker pick for Kawahi/spurs pick


That's the more likely scenario although they will have to include JBayless to work.

Interesting tidibit:

What Popovich did not say at the time, however, was that while Leonard was in New York, he saw Dr. Jonathan Glashow, an orthopedic surgeon and co-chair of Sports Medicine at New York City's Mount Sinai Medical Center who has professional affiliations with the New Jersey Devils and Philadelphia 76ers.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
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The only larger markets are LA, NY.


Philly is #4 which is massive compared to little old San Antonio


Houston fans had me believing they were the 4th largest market, especially when they got Dwight. Cue LG Memeber "dreamshake" in 3, 2, 1...
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject:

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Chad09 wrote:
The only larger markets are LA, NY.


Philly is #4 which is massive compared to little old San Antonio


Houston fans had me believing they were the 4th largest market, especially when they got Dwight. Cue LG Memeber "dreamshake" in 3, 2, 1...


Houston is 4th, Philly is 5th
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject:

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I'm a huge fan of Kawhi's game. I have followed him through college and during his pro career. That said, I don't see why we would want both him and PG on the same team. One is (presumably) going to opt out and be a FA and has expressed interest in being a Laker. The other is still under contract, with a major Lakers rival, and seems to have either quit on his team this year, or is dealing with very legitimate health concerns. Keeping the majority of last season's roster intact while going after a FA just makes much more sense to me than giving up some of our promising young talent for someone who will be a FA in a season. Of course there is no guarantee we will land PG, but the chances seem high enough to not pull the trigger on any trade with a team that has no desire to do us any favors. Maybe I am missing something, but this is just how I see things right now.

We do it because Kawhi Leonard is a 2x DPOY, multi-time all star, a Finals MVP and one of the top 5 best players in the league while Paul George is a pretty good 2nd option.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject:

Title should change to "worried his group wants him in LA, New York, or Philly".

Cuz you know, that's what the article actually says.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject:

I think a dark horse candidate to trade for him could be the Suns. They have a ton of assets & draft picks and probably want to try getting Booker into the playoffs soon. They may try an F-it, Why Not deal like the PG trade last year
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:22 pm    Post subject:

lakerican wrote:
PayasoLoco wrote:
if im philly im offering Saric/Fultz/laker pick for Kawahi/spurs pick


That's the more likely scenario although they will have to include JBayless to work.

Interesting tidibit:

What Popovich did not say at the time, however, was that while Leonard was in New York, he saw Dr. Jonathan Glashow, an orthopedic surgeon and co-chair of Sports Medicine at New York City's Mount Sinai Medical Center who has professional affiliations with the New Jersey Devils and Philadelphia 76ers.


i noticed that also...not sure if it means anything.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:35 pm    Post subject:

lakerjoshua wrote:
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One small simple question.

Does NBA test 4 steroids?


Jody Meeks says yes


Lebron says no.

And to be fair, curious why Kobe needed yearly trips to Germany for miraculous knee treatments?

Lakers need to be patient and damned certain before “trading” for Leonard. While I agree he has an impressive resume, they have to make sure he still is or can still be that same player. IMO it is too big a risk to hope he can be. They have to know it is not recurring and he is never the same player again.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject:

i think once you affiliate yourself with the clippers your professional nba career immediately becomes tarnished with $hit until you leave the team
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