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Maginka
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:47 am Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:

epak wrote:

Joe Pesci wrote:

epak wrote:

Joe Pesci wrote:

I want everyone.

Those saying keep the kids and let Leonard fly away. Boo you!

Those saying trade a bunch of the kids and bring in Leonard. Boo you too!

Give me everyone. Randle can go get his money, but everyone else, barring successful, cohesive seasons by all the youngsters, can stay ... and sign Leonard for the same discount you sign JAmes and GEorge to next summer.

Team L.A. Barbers.
Who's onboard?

I posted last week that James and George deserve to get their full maxes.

With Leonard being somewhat commital to L.A, I don’t see anything wrong with asking them each to take four less to beat the team full of stars who are all taking less to be together. It’s the best way to beat them — through sacrifice.

I'm on board team L.A. Barbers.
But I'm not holding my breath.

This is what a team with EVERYONE (except Randle) would look like (probably in 2019):

PG - James - Ball
SG - Hart - (Ball/George)
C - Noel - (Kuzma/Ingram)
PF - Leonard - Kuzma
SF - George - Ingram

Legendary ridiculousness. Perfect balance of young and old. Multiple rings.

Yup this is perfect, except I think PG is at the 2 and Ingram starts at SF or Ball at SG with PG13 at SF

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:48 am Post subject:

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How the Spurs are operating, per multiple sources from teams that have checked in on Kawhi Leonard in recent days: We're not shopping him, but if you want to make us an offer, go ahead, we'll consider it.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:48 am Post subject:

Lucky_Shot wrote:

Maginka wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

DMAULS wrote:

epak wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

It's cute to say keep the kids

Magic/Rob are going to go get KL if they have chance. I am good as long as we only trade 1 of lonzo/Liz/BI. My bet is BI

Point is, what if Spurs are unwilling to trade him to the Lakers?

Then it's fine & u go in with what we have.

Some people because they don't want bi to be traded they are just making stuff like trading 5/6 players or how t Harris had same stats as KL

Tobias Harris... 19.3 PPG this season
5.6 RPG
1.7 APG
1.2 STL
41.4% 3 pt shooting
80.0% FT shooting

Kawhi Leonard... 16.3 PPG career
6.2 RPG
2.3 APG
1.8 STL
38.6% 3 pt shooting
84.6% FT shooting

One player is worth trading our core and paying the max... if I covered the names could you all tell which one it is?

Can you post their 2016-17 stats as well?

Why are you posting season stats for one player and career for the other. That's real shady.

Fine you want Kawhi's season this year

16.2 PPG
4.7 RPG
2.3 APG
2.0 STL
31.4% 3 PT%
81.6% FT%

Wow... so much better.

Why don't u post all their accomplishments as well?

Basketball is played on both ends

I did on the other thread... I analyzed all the all time great players and my conclusion was that Kawhi matched Gary Payton and Scottie Pippen in terms of offensive and defensive production.

Glove 16 PPG 4 RPG 7 APG 9X All star 9X Defensive
Pippen 16 PPG 6 RPG 5 APG 7X All star 10X Defensive
Kawhi 16 PPG 6 RPG 2 APG 2X All star 4X Defensive

Would you trade our core for the Glove or Pippen?

I wouldn't.

LeBron would take a paycut for his Pippen next year.....he's lost to him in the finals, he knows his value

Scottie Pippen was a monster in his prime I would make that trade, the injury is the only thing that scares me from Kawhi

Fair enough... as long as people here recognize we are talking about Pippen not Jordan. I disagree... but I respect your opinion.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:49 am Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:

That’s where I’m at. LBJ is a luxury to me however, and not a necessity. PG is a must must have. If anyone else is prioritized this summer, the big picture for the next 5 seasons and off seasons has been missed.
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Jesusdelonla
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:49 am Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

DMAULS wrote:

epak wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

It's cute to say keep the kids

Magic/Rob are going to go get KL if they have chance. I am good as long as we only trade 1 of lonzo/Liz/BI. My bet is BI

Point is, what if Spurs are unwilling to trade him to the Lakers?

Then it's fine & u go in with what we have.

Some people because they don't want bi to be traded they are just making stuff like trading 5/6 players or how t Harris had same stats as KL

Can you post their 2016-17 stats as well?

Why are you posting season stats for one player and career for the other. That's real shady.

Fine you want Kawhi's season this year

16.2 PPG
4.7 RPG
2.3 APG
2.0 STL
31.4% 3 PT%
81.6% FT%

Wow... so much better.

Why don't u post all their accomplishments as well?

Basketball is played on both ends

What the heck. Compare apples to apples.

U r pretty big on stats. While comparing the Harris to KL, compare him to KL in all aspects.

Kawhi is better... but you made the incorrect claim that their stats were not similar. They are right now.

😂

All I can do right now

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:49 am Post subject:

epak wrote:

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That benefits the Lakers, if you clearly look at it in retrospect... cause if the Lakers offer value then the Spurs will consider getting a deal done.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:50 am Post subject:

epak wrote:

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They might just go to the deadline with him and still get about the same value.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:50 am Post subject:

Is Kawhi top 10 player in the league? Top 5? I think that works better than comparing stats of players of different eras.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:50 am Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Sure I'll post Isaiah Thomas's 2016-2017 stats too...

28.9 PPG
2.7 RPG
5.9 APG
37.9 3 PT%
90.9 FT%
62.5 TS%

Because for many here it's okay to use Kawhi's outlier season as a justification for trading our core but for IT it is only an aberration that will never be repeated again.

My goodness this is just petty.

Why? people are extrapolating Kawhi's one amazing season as reason why we should trade our core.

They've almost universally declared IT's as an aberration... but for some reason even with Kawhi's leg... they believe he will continue to average 25 PPG.

It's exactly on point with this discussion.

That's also ITs only amazing year as well. The one prior was 22PPG on poor shooting and terrible defense. His 28PPG is sick, with terrible defense. We also traded young guys for IT, it didn't work. If you're banking on two guys, you bank on the one that's three years younger, and is an elite two-way player.

Even if we're trading young guys with hope, it's still worth for a guy that DEVELOPED into an elite two-way player.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:51 am Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/1009485807827103744

That applies to the Lakers no? We won’t consider trading KL to you but if you offer us something we like then we’ll make a deal

Translation: Please give us decent offers. Please...

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:52 am Post subject:

Maginka wrote:

Joe Pesci wrote:

epak wrote:

Joe Pesci wrote:

epak wrote:

Joe Pesci wrote:

Team L.A. Barbers.
Who's onboard?

I'm on board team L.A. Barbers.
But I'm not holding my breath.

Yup this is perfect, except I think PG is at the 2 and Ingram starts at SF or Ball at SG with PG13 at SF

Damn team is so versatile you can literally pull five names out of a hat and they can guard and play with anyone (slightly hyperbolic, but you get the point).

Very, very versatile. Better than Golden State and for longer.

Luke has his hands full getting it all to mesh and keeping everyone happy.

That’s a topic for another day though.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:53 am Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Lucky_Shot wrote:

Scottie Pippen was a monster in his prime I would make that trade, the injury is the only thing that scares me from Kawhi

Fair enough... as long as people here recognize we are talking about Pippen not Jordan. I disagree... but I respect your opinion.

It's all good meat I usually agree with you more than I don't

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:54 am Post subject:

What are people's thoughts on Boston and the Kyrie situation. With him saying it doesn't make sense to sign the extension with them, is he hinting he's leaving or just waiting? Would Boston be willing to move him? Say something like: Boston gets: Ball and Deng and picks SA gets: Kyrie and BI LA gets: KL and Mills SA gets nice players to add with LaMarcus and Pau while moving an aging Parker to the bench for decent second unit. Boston gets a young PG to replace Kyrie, whom I assume wants out, adds vet leadership and adds to their young core. Lakers get Kwahi and would still have room for LBJ and PG13

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:54 am Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

If Kawhi was really trying to help us he'd be saying Lakers only... not Clippers.

Once he said that he simply forced into the bidding war with them.

That is not doing us a favor... that is doing himself a favor.

Offer two players who weren't in our long term plans anyway and let the chips fall where they may.

These four or five asset packages are pure unadulterated idiocy.

I disagree. By saying Lakers only, then teams will know that the Lakers will be in a tough spot and would lack flexibility once they commit to Lebron and PG. By putting the Clippers option out there, the thought that he has an alternative would scare the Bostons and Phillies of the world.

I like however that he has made it clear that he prefers the Lakers to the Clippers. I think he is ours to lose and we will get him one way or another.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:54 am Post subject:

DMAULS wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

My goodness this is just petty.

No argument that Kawhi is better than IT... my point was that people here won't sign IT for a one year back up role... but they will trade away our core and give Kawhi a max.

It's not that they have the same abilities... it's that they apply one standard to one player... and not the same to another.

It's like a guy that wears a condom with an an average woman, but decides he doesn't need one with a beautiful woman. Your chance for pregnancy or disease is the same... but the woman is so beautiful... he just doesn't care... he's not thinking straight.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am Post subject:

Zubolo wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

I could see that working if he let it be known through back channels so the Lakers didn't over bid.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am Post subject:

epak wrote:

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I go back to what Stephen Screamin’ A Smith said this morning:

“Kawhi wants to be in Los Angeles. The spurs have to accept that.”

Better take the best offer you can get from the Lakers or Clippers. Eventually, all of the NBA will figure out that it’s the spurs leaking stuff in desperation to get someone to offer a crazy package.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:57 am Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Glove 16 PPG 4 RPG 7 APG 9X All star 9X Defensive
Pippen 16 PPG 6 RPG 5 APG 7X All star 10X Defensive
Kawhi 16 PPG 6 RPG 2 APG 2X All star 4X Defensive

Would you trade our core for the Glove or Pippen?

I wouldn't.

26 yr old Pippen? I'd do it, yes. Peak Pippen right now locks down Durant. Gimme peak Pippen all day.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:57 am Post subject:

leor_77 wrote:

How is Tobias Harris regarded? Is he looked at as highly as Oladipo was (before he was traded)?

not sure what you mean....he did not have the pedigree that Oladipo had who was a #2 pick. Oh the Orlando Magic...here is the story of Tobias Harris (try to pick out how many times the Orlando Magic made a bad decision)

He was drafted 19th by Bobcats, then immediately traded to the Bucks that night. Played 2 seasons in Milwaukee....averaged about 10 MPG.

In 2013, the great Rob Hennigan decides they need to cut overpriced salaries from the Dwight era...so he moves a package including JJ Redick to acquire what was thought to be some young assets Doron Lamb and Beno Udrih...and to make salaries work, Milwaukee threw in Tobias Harris.

The Magic got lucky...Harris immediately made an impact averaging over 17 PPG that season...then followed it up with 2 more strong seasons. The two primary players the Magic traded for did nothing. He was a RFA and Orlando was able to sign him on a good deal in 2015....$16 Million per season for a young scorer. Then the Magic hire Scott Skiles who coached Harris in Milwaukee and supposedly clashed with him there which is why he barely played....so Skiles convinces Hennigan to move the young valuable forward for the slam dunk package from Detroit of Brandon Jennings and Ersan İlyasova.

Harris goes to Detroit, an his numbers continue to improve and finally he is used to acquire Blake.

Only one of many big mistakes made by the Orlando Magic FO over the last decade.....they literally made a bad trade, but got lucky in that the throw in guy was a big surprise....get him on a solid contract, only to trade him for garbage to create cap space the following summer. That cap space was used on Bismack Biyombo D. J. Augustin, and Jeff Green.

Not to be outdone....the following summer Hennigan moved Oladipo and the pick that was Sabonis for a broken down useless Serge Ibaka.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:57 am Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

It's getting better and better...
Now who would Tobias Harris would be in your analogy ?

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:58 am Post subject:

will he sit again if not traded? Will be interesting for sure.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:59 am Post subject:

Spurs acting tough like they have any leverage... Go ahead and be stubborn, and when he walks, get zero in return

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:01 am Post subject:

durden-tyler wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

It's getting better and better...
Now who would Tobias Harris would be in your analogy ?

Tobias Harris was a side conversation based on someone claiming the Clippers had no assets... I sarcastically pointed out that his numbers this year were the same as Kawhi's career averages.

Then it escalated from there. I know Tobias isn't on Kawhi's level... but as part of a trade package he's perfectly acceptable.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:01 am Post subject:

RusselDoeee01 wrote:

Spurs acting tough like they have any leverage... Go ahead and be stubborn, and when he walks, get zero in return

Karma for CP3 veto coming back very strong now for Cleveland and San Antonio HAHAH!

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:01 am Post subject:

KobeDunk wrote:

will he sit again if not traded? Will be interesting for sure.

certainly wouldn't rule it out
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