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CamReddish
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Its interesting that Kawhi isn't eligible for the supermax right now because he missed last year. According to Woj, he would have to requalify for it by making an all-nba team next season. Thus, even if the Spurs wanted to offer him the supermax right now, they can't until next summer (if ever). That definitely throws a wrench into things. Spurs may not want to risk that he walks next summer. |
He is eligible, but if he doesn't make all NBA next season, his qualification expires. I believe it is based on last 2 seasons. If he doesn't make all NBA this upcoming season that would be 2 straight seasons he didn't make it.
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| The Grind wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Its interesting that Kawhi isn't eligible for the supermax right now because he missed last year. According to Woj, he would have to requalify for it by making an all-nba team next season. Thus, even if the Spurs wanted to offer him the supermax right now, they can't until next summer (if ever). That definitely throws a wrench into things. Spurs may not want to risk that he walks next summer. |
That's a very crucial tidbit, thanks LS. |
This seems wrong:
2x All NBA First team - 2016, 2017
2x DPOY - (2015, 2016)
Have to get 2 out of 3 previous years (2016, 2017, 2018)
So he qualifies this year, but next year he would have to requalify. |
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richsmith
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| ChickenStu wrote: |
The fact is that, even though Memphis ended up getting a very good player out of the deal that is still playing for them, not enough people can apparently view it objectively because the Lakers happened to get better. That's not how you judge a trade. Memphis ended up getting a more-than-fair return for what it gave up. |
That's totally in hindsight. Nobody knew what kind of a player Marc was going to become, other than maybe Pau himself. Retrospectively, the Grizzlies benefited greatly from the trade but a lot of that was luck, and at the time it looked borderline ridiculous. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| richsmith wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: |
The fact is that, even though Memphis ended up getting a very good player out of the deal that is still playing for them, not enough people can apparently view it objectively because the Lakers happened to get better. That's not how you judge a trade. Memphis ended up getting a more-than-fair return for what it gave up. |
That's totally in hindsight. Nobody knew what kind of a player Marc was going to become, other than maybe Pau himself. Retrospectively, the Grizzlies benefited greatly from the trade but a lot of that was luck, and at the time it looked borderline ridiculous. |
Also, if Marc Gasol was their target, they probably could have gotten him for something less than Pau Gasol.
And if they were that high on him, why not get a Marc n Pau Gasol tandem going in Memphis?
That probably would have sold tickets |
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LakerSanity
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | The Grind wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Its interesting that Kawhi isn't eligible for the supermax right now because he missed last year. According to Woj, he would have to requalify for it by making an all-nba team next season. Thus, even if the Spurs wanted to offer him the supermax right now, they can't until next summer (if ever). That definitely throws a wrench into things. Spurs may not want to risk that he walks next summer. |
That's a very crucial tidbit, thanks LS. |
This seems wrong:
2x All NBA First team - 2016, 2017
2x DPOY - (2015, 2016)
Have to get 2 out of 3 previous years (2016, 2017, 2018)
So he qualifies this year, but next year he would have to requalify. |
I think you're right, which is why I said according to Woj. Here's the quote so you all can read it yourself.
| Woj, ESPN wrote: | | The NBA draft is June 21, and free agency begins July 1. Because Leonard didn't meet All-NBA criteria in 2017-18, he will need to requalify next season to become eligible again to be offered a five-year, $219 million contract in the summer of 2019. To do so, he will have to make one of the All-NBA teams, or win MVP or Defensive Player of the Year. Leonard can opt out of the final year of his contract and become a free agent next July. |
I think what he may have meant (but wasn't absolutely clear on), is that they would have to offer him the supermax this summer as an extension, but, if they don't AND Kawhi doesn't make an all-nba team next season, then Kawhi will no longer be eligible at that point (i.e. next summer). That makes more sense, which is also why Kawhi's team likely wants the max now (to avoid the risk), or else wants to be traded if they won't show him that confidence.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| richsmith wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: |
The fact is that, even though Memphis ended up getting a very good player out of the deal that is still playing for them, not enough people can apparently view it objectively because the Lakers happened to get better. That's not how you judge a trade. Memphis ended up getting a more-than-fair return for what it gave up. |
That's totally in hindsight. Nobody knew what kind of a player Marc was going to become, other than maybe Pau himself. Retrospectively, the Grizzlies benefited greatly from the trade but a lot of that was luck, and at the time it looked borderline ridiculous. |
I disagree. Kwame had the largest expiring contract in the NBA that year. That salary that they cleared up allowed them to sign ZBo, who was great in the time he was there. Marc Gasol was winning Euroleague MVP's. Doncic has been getting a ton of publicity for winning it as well. At the time, Euro players didn't get as much publicity as they do today. Marc showed a ton of promise but it didn't get the headlines that Euro players get today. Basically the trade gave them one of the best front courts in the NBA with ZBo and Marc. |
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richsmith
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| Ziggy wrote: |
I disagree. Kwame had the largest expiring contract in the NBA that year. That salary that they cleared up allowed them to sign ZBo, who was great in the time he was there. Marc Gasol was winning Euroleague MVP's. Doncic has been getting a ton of publicity for winning it as well. At the time, Euro players didn't get as much publicity as they do today. Marc showed a ton of promise but it didn't get the headlines that Euro players get today. Basically the trade gave them one of the best front courts in the NBA with ZBo and Marc. |
At the time there was no guarantee Randolph was going to sign, and there was no guarantee that Marc could play in the NBA. It doesn't matter that nowadays people scout the Euroleague so closely, back then it meant very little to the NBA to be a Euroleague MVP. Yes, Kwame coming off the books was a big benefit, but the trade was basically their franchise player for an expiring contract, a potential Euro project, and some non-entities in Javaris and McKee. The Grizzlies' front office certainly worked wonders afterwards, but -- again, at the time -- there is no way this was anything other than a fleecing. |
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BREAKING NEWS: 29 NBA teams interested in Kawhi Leonard.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | The Grind wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Its interesting that Kawhi isn't eligible for the supermax right now because he missed last year. According to Woj, he would have to requalify for it by making an all-nba team next season. Thus, even if the Spurs wanted to offer him the supermax right now, they can't until next summer (if ever). That definitely throws a wrench into things. Spurs may not want to risk that he walks next summer. |
That's a very crucial tidbit, thanks LS. |
This seems wrong:
2x All NBA First team - 2016, 2017
2x DPOY - (2015, 2016)
Have to get 2 out of 3 previous years (2016, 2017, 2018)
So he qualifies this year, but next year he would have to requalify. |
I think you're right, which is why I said according to Woj. Here's the quote so you all can read it yourself.
| Woj, ESPN wrote: | | The NBA draft is June 21, and free agency begins July 1. Because Leonard didn't meet All-NBA criteria in 2017-18, he will need to requalify next season to become eligible again to be offered a five-year, $219 million contract in the summer of 2019. To do so, he will have to make one of the All-NBA teams, or win MVP or Defensive Player of the Year. Leonard can opt out of the final year of his contract and become a free agent next July. |
I think what he may have meant (but wasn't absolutely clear on), is that they would have to offer him the supermax this summer as an extension, but, if they don't AND Kawhi doesn't make an all-nba team next season, then Kawhi will no longer be eligible at that point (i.e. next summer). That makes more sense, which is also why Kawhi's team likely wants the max now (to avoid the risk), or else wants to be traded if they won't show him that confidence. |
That is correct.
Which is what Romona and Mason went into yesterday afternoon. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm gonna call it right now. The first domino to fall will be Kawhi real soon. Well Pelton said it first, but I'm calling it! |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| richsmith wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: |
I disagree. Kwame had the largest expiring contract in the NBA that year. That salary that they cleared up allowed them to sign ZBo, who was great in the time he was there. Marc Gasol was winning Euroleague MVP's. Doncic has been getting a ton of publicity for winning it as well. At the time, Euro players didn't get as much publicity as they do today. Marc showed a ton of promise but it didn't get the headlines that Euro players get today. Basically the trade gave them one of the best front courts in the NBA with ZBo and Marc. |
At the time there was no guarantee Randolph was going to sign, and there was no guarantee that Marc could play in the NBA. It doesn't matter that nowadays people scout the Euroleague so closely, back then it meant very little to the NBA to be a Euroleague MVP. Yes, Kwame coming off the books was a big benefit, but the trade was basically their franchise player for an expiring contract, a potential Euro project, and some non-entities in Javaris and McKee. The Grizzlies' front office certainly worked wonders afterwards, but -- again, at the time -- there is no way this was anything other than a fleecing. |
And I'm sure that people will remember the Paul George/Oladipo trade the same, right? That's my point. There's a different standard. The Lakers benefited, so it must have been unfair, but when the Pacers turned out making out well, nobody says they got fleeced. Memphis did not get fleeced. It's a double-standard but I'm not surprised. Laker hate is a remarkably real thing nationally. |
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Grain of salt: But supposedly a Spurs writer went on ESPNLA and said there is a 50% chance Kawhi demands a trade to the Lakers.
It could be completely made up but if it’s true then gotta think something happens in the next few days. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | Grain of salt: But supposedly a Spurs writer went on ESPNLA and said there is a 50% chance Kawhi demands a trade to the Lakers.
It could be completely made up but if it’s true then gotta think something happens in the next few days. |
If Pop is retiring after the 2020 Olympics, he may try to set the Spurs up for future success with a blockbuster trade... |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| LFAN4LIFE wrote: | Michael wright Spurs writer...
-Popovich and Kawhi Leonard are having a meeting soon but neither of there camps will be there, its just the 2 of them only
-Owners are in the middle of a divorce
-Owners may be hesitant to offer him huge contract
-High ranking officials in organization think nothing kawhi says will change there mind
-But only mind that needs to be change is popovich then he needs to change ownerships mind
-Spurs have not made a decision whether to offer him super max or not
-Thinks his preference is to stay in San Antonio, people close to him repeat that sentiment
-San Antonio fits his style and personality better than LA due to media attention
-Popovich is out of town, going through grieving process of his wife still
-Kawhi really just wants to play basketball
-He feels like they misdiagnosed two of his injuries twice, hand injury and quad injury
-Spurs were resistant to him seeking a second opinion
-Kawhi is a quiet guy and doesnt communicate much and that upset the spurs, he didnt keep them in the loop
-He thinks this is something they can fix
-Likelihood of Kawhi demanding a trade to Lakers is 50/50
-It wouldnt surprise him
-Heard rumblings magic is very interested in Kawhi |
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| I get the impression the Spurs owner, Peter Holt, is too cheap to pay the supermax, and is trying to weasel out of it. If Leonard doesn’t make the all-nba team, earn mvp or dpoy honors next season then he no longer qualifies for the supermax. This is the same owner that made Tim Duncan take a massive payout... $20 million to $10 million. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Welcome home Kawhi. |
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| If the Lakers trade Kuzma + either Ingram or Ball for Kawhi, could they still afford to max out Lebron and George? |
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| dao wrote: | | If the Lakers trade Kuzma + either Ingram or Ball for Kawhi, could they still afford to max out Lebron and George? |
How the Lakers can land LeBron, Kawhi and Paul George
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | The Grind wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Its interesting that Kawhi isn't eligible for the supermax right now because he missed last year. According to Woj, he would have to requalify for it by making an all-nba team next season. Thus, even if the Spurs wanted to offer him the supermax right now, they can't until next summer (if ever). That definitely throws a wrench into things. Spurs may not want to risk that he walks next summer. |
That's a very crucial tidbit, thanks LS. |
This seems wrong:
2x All NBA First team - 2016, 2017
2x DPOY - (2015, 2016)
Have to get 2 out of 3 previous years (2016, 2017, 2018)
So he qualifies this year, but next year he would have to requalify. |
That's what I heard, as well. It would mean that this Summer is his window to get it or he has to re-qualify next offseason
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | I get the impression the Spurs owner, Peter Holt, is too cheap to pay the supermax, and is trying to weasel out of it. If Leonard doesn’t make the all-nba team, earn mvp or dpoy honors next season then he no longer qualifies for the supermax. This is the same owner that made Tim Duncan take a massive payout... $20 million to $10 million. |
thought his soon to be ex wife is now in charge of Spurs? |
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| dao wrote: | | If the Lakers trade Kuzma + either Ingram or Ball for Kawhi, could they still afford to max out Lebron and George? |
There is a way they could have Lebron, George, Kahwii and Randle. I posted it on the trade thread. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Why would the spurs accept Ball, Kuzma, and Deng for Kawhi? The only way any trade with the Lakers is possible is if Kawhi demands a trade to the Lakers. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| JBizzlethethird wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | The Grind wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Its interesting that Kawhi isn't eligible for the supermax right now because he missed last year. According to Woj, he would have to requalify for it by making an all-nba team next season. Thus, even if the Spurs wanted to offer him the supermax right now, they can't until next summer (if ever). That definitely throws a wrench into things. Spurs may not want to risk that he walks next summer. |
That's a very crucial tidbit, thanks LS. |
This seems wrong:
2x All NBA First team - 2016, 2017
2x DPOY - (2015, 2016)
Have to get 2 out of 3 previous years (2016, 2017, 2018)
So he qualifies this year, but next year he would have to requalify. |
That's what I heard, as well. It would mean that this Summer is his window to get it or he has to re-qualify next offseason |
as long as he plays, he will almost be a lock to qualify |
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| adkindo wrote: | | JBizzlethethird wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | The Grind wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Its interesting that Kawhi isn't eligible for the supermax right now because he missed last year. According to Woj, he would have to requalify for it by making an all-nba team next season. Thus, even if the Spurs wanted to offer him the supermax right now, they can't until next summer (if ever). That definitely throws a wrench into things. Spurs may not want to risk that he walks next summer. |
That's a very crucial tidbit, thanks LS. |
This seems wrong:
2x All NBA First team - 2016, 2017
2x DPOY - (2015, 2016)
Have to get 2 out of 3 previous years (2016, 2017, 2018)
So he qualifies this year, but next year he would have to requalify. |
That's what I heard, as well. It would mean that this Summer is his window to get it or he has to re-qualify next offseason |
as long as he plays, he will almost be a lock to qualify |
Health permitting...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Why would the spurs accept Ball, Kuzma, and Deng for Kawhi? The only way any trade with the Lakers is possible is if Kawhi demands a trade to the Lakers. |
That's a pretty damn good package. They would be fools to not even entertain that offer. |
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