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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:03 pm    Post subject:

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There is no formula to be honest.

Teams just have to find ways to maximize the opportunities that are presented to them in trade, free agency, and draft.

That's all it is.


and avoid significant mistakes along the way
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The winning formula is keeping your young core and adding players that fit but don't take away from what you've got in place, meaning no ball hogging superstars, just complimentary pieces


LOL. The winning formula is a having a player that can win a MVP. They guys usually dominate the ball. You don't win a championship with complimentary pieces.

Yes, it usually is. But you can also win with a team of fringe all stars, like the Pistons in 04 or the Spurs in 14, and its looking like we are headed in that direction with loads of potential, but none of our guys look like a surefire top 5 player. And that's okay, TEAMS win titles not individuals. We have a bunch of options either way and i'm pleased with the direction we're headed after basically being hopeless and drowning with Jimbo running the show.


Those two teams were the exception, not the rule. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Kurt Warner went undrafted, both won superbowls. The majority of superbowl winning quarterbacks were first rounders.
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The winning formula is keeping your young core and adding players that fit but don't take away from what you've got in place, meaning no ball hogging superstars, just complimentary pieces


LOL. The winning formula is a having a player that can win a MVP. They guys usually dominate the ball. You don't win a championship with complimentary pieces.

Yes, it usually is. But you can also win with a team of fringe all stars, like the Pistons in 04 or the Spurs in 14, and its looking like we are headed in that direction with loads of potential, but none of our guys look like a surefire top 5 player. And that's okay, TEAMS win titles not individuals. We have a bunch of options either way and i'm pleased with the direction we're headed after basically being hopeless and drowning with Jimbo running the show.


I don't want this team to be the next Clippers, Hawks, Raptors, etc. Test these players in the playoffs, if they look timid or too sensitive to the moment. Trade them ASAP.


Kind of like OKC with Harden?
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trablos wrote:
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The winning formula is keeping your young core and adding players that fit but don't take away from what you've got in place, meaning no ball hogging superstars, just complimentary pieces


LOL. The winning formula is a having a player that can win a MVP. They guys usually dominate the ball. You don't win a championship with complimentary pieces.

Yes, it usually is. But you can also win with a team of fringe all stars, like the Pistons in 04 or the Spurs in 14, and its looking like we are headed in that direction with loads of potential, but none of our guys look like a surefire top 5 player. And that's okay, TEAMS win titles not individuals. We have a bunch of options either way and i'm pleased with the direction we're headed after basically being hopeless and drowning with Jimbo running the show.


I don't want this team to be the next Clippers, Hawks, Raptors, etc. Test these players in the playoffs, if they look timid or too sensitive to the moment. Trade them ASAP.


Kind of like OKC with Harden?


Owners too cheap to amnesty Porkins and weren't willing to pay an extra million to keep Harden was (bleep) dude. They wilted in the finals but Harden was pretty good killing the Spurs on that run
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject:

Listening to NBA radio on XM today. Everyone on there was say the Lakers should not go waste $$ trying to get Kenton or some other FA super star. Said we should just be patient and we will be just like GS, Boston and or Utah.

I agree with that, sign PG and keep building our team. I believe b ball is all about mismatches and hard heads up slap the boards defense. Need youth to do the slapping.
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What boston has done is not incredible.

When you have kg, ray allen, and paul pierce on the same team. Then you had a young rondo(because before you brought those guys in your team sucked.) you have assets when you only win one ring with that super team. once you realized time to break it up(which is much easier thing to do when you've only won ONE TIME.) you have people to trade to other desperate teams with picks. those guys get old on the other team and that team goes into the tank(NETS) and you get all sorts of high picks from it. you keep flipping picks for other picks. next thing you know, you have a team full of young guys and a couple of new FA's. Its not mind blowing that this has occurred. It's solid GM work for sure. but not mind blowing.


What is incredible is that the other teams were gullible enough to fall for it. The guys were already old and in decline when they got traded. As you say, it was solid GM work by Ainge, but it takes two to tango.
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What boston has done is not incredible.

When you have kg, ray allen, and paul pierce on the same team. Then you had a young rondo(because before you brought those guys in your team sucked.) you have assets when you only win one ring with that super team. once you realized time to break it up(which is much easier thing to do when you've only won ONE TIME.) you have people to trade to other desperate teams with picks. those guys get old on the other team and that team goes into the tank(NETS) and you get all sorts of high picks from it. you keep flipping picks for other picks. next thing you know, you have a team full of young guys and a couple of new FA's. Its not mind blowing that this has occurred. It's solid GM work for sure. but not mind blowing.


What is incredible is that the other teams were gullible enough to fall for it. The guys were already old and in decline when they got traded. As you say, it was solid GM work by Ainge, but it takes two to tango.


Ainge traded a mediocore coach in Doc for a 1st round draft pick. Nothing else to say. Hindsight and all that but damn did he time everything right.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 6:43 pm    Post subject:

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Listening to NBA radio on XM today. Everyone on there was say the Lakers should not go waste $$ trying to get Kenton or some other FA super star. Said we should just be patient and we will be just like GS, Boston and or Utah.

I agree with that, sign PG and keep building our team. I believe b ball is all about mismatches and hard heads up slap the boards defense. Need youth to do the slapping.


Why not jump the curve +5 or +10 wins next season with an All-Star FA and still have them developing?
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 7:01 pm    Post subject:

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What Boston has done is incredible. They had one non playoff year and now they have a championship core, with future stars like Tatum and Brown and guys stepping up looking like gems like Rozier. They can easily put together a package for AD or Leonard, possible even deal Kyrie and retain Smart and Rozier. Best coaching in the NBA as well plus Sacramento's pick next year? Lol.

Our backup PGs were Caruso and Tyler Ennis. Running circles around the Lakers right now.
What boston has done is not incredible.

When you have kg, ray allen, and paul pierce on the same team. Then you had a young rondo(because before you brought those guys in your team sucked.) you have assets when you only win one ring with that super team. once you realized time to break it up(which is much easier thing to do when you've only won ONE TIME.) you have people to trade to other desperate teams with picks. those guys get old on the other team and that team goes into the tank(NETS) and you get all sorts of high picks from it. you keep flipping picks for other picks. next thing you know, you have a team full of young guys and a couple of new FA's. Its not mind blowing that this has occurred. It's solid GM work for sure. but not mind blowing.

Philly sucking since DR J, then sucking again since barkley, then sucking again post AI. Then finally fielding a team of young guys that get to the playoffs. then to blow that up to tank year after year after year after year until you finally get lucky and hit on a couple of top picks. nothing is ground breaking about that either. just in case you were going there too.

Gstate's way isnt ground breaking either. you suck for a long time. then finally become semi decent post latrell sprewell. the Baron davis era. Then you fall back down again. then some of your picks end up getting injured early in their careers, which means you suck again some more. never seeing the WCF's, never seeing the finals. The warriors were not contenders for like 30+ years prior to this recent run.

The bucks haven't looked this decent since Big Dog robinson, ray allen, and Michael redd played on the same team...i'm not sure redd was even there yet.. probably tim thomas(the suns still bothers me). and they never went to the finals either. shoot was kareem's championship the last bucks ring? I think so.

lets not even talk about the raptors. air canad amounted to nothing in all reality. and they are still in the same place. going no where fast(probably going to get swept by a hobbling cavs team..what a shame.)


basically the rule of thumb is suck for awhile and pray the guys you pick in the draft turn into ballers.

The lakers...why arent we there yet? because we have won too often since the 80's. a bunch of back to backs or 3 peats. you win like that and you can't just let the band go and start over again like boston did with ray allen, kg, etc. you can't even hit the semi reset like the spurs did after every other year when they would never win a back 2 back title. This is why you're just now seeing our young core starting to make strides. we're late to the be sorry for a bit and pick good guys party. and unlike these other teams we have not sucked for DECADES. So please laker fans. please dont get so caught up in what these other teams are doing or really not doing aside from being bad for a long time and finally getting good picks and assets to trade for better players or cap space to have to woo better players.

its easy to have cap space, and high picks when you've sucked for awhile. that doesnt take a lot of smarts to pull off.


Yeah, sure, it's so easy. That's why perpetual lottery dwellers suck for a decade plus (hello Orlando, Sacramento). It's called having a solid front office.

Lakers being great for decades has nothing to do with them being lousy for 5 years. Being elite forced them to hire trash coaches like Mike Brown and Byron Scott? or a bad fit like Dantoni? Also Paul Pierce was a Celtics icon, that trade wasn't easy to make. Lakers handed out a two year cap crippling deal to a franchise icon who was done. They let productive players like Gasol and Howard walk without even netting a second round pick.

Lakers weren't tanking when they were running out bums like Jordan Hill and Carlos Boozer so they could increase their odds at keeping a first round pick?When Nick Young was their veteran presence? When their GM handed out absurd 4 year contracts to two bums? When they won 17 games during Kobe's victory lap season? Please, they were tanking too. They just got trash like Dlo Russell shooting videos of Noodles Young instead of Embiid, Towns and/or Simmons. The lottery is luck in terms of where you land.

You don't have to like Boston or Philly, but both have better assets, higher ceiling players and brighter futures. Lakers are relying on massive internal player development and free agency pipe dreams to questionable star players like Paul George.

I'll give Maginka credit for now, they realized Nance, Clarkson and Russell were turds and dealt them for picks and cap space. Let's see what happens. But I'm not going to look at Boston and not be envious. Ainge did a brilliant job. He traded IT and a first rounder for Kyrie. He got Tatum and a lottery pick for Fultz. What he's doing is more impressive than Philly because APhilly just ran out a CBA team and hit on a couple picks, Boston has had only one lousy year.
yes and no. Orlando and sac. especially sac. has had bad luck in the draft.

Orlando got shaq, penny, and Dwight.

now they have Gordon who is pretty good but not great like those 3 guys.


its not that they passed up on the right pick. they didnt get the #1,,2, or 3 picks over and over again like say a sorry philly team did. takes zero brains to pull that off. just dumb luck after tanking forever and praying to get the right pick in the right draft classes.

Sac has had some terrible luck when it has come to the draft. and thats one of the number one reasons they always are only on the verge of being decent then tehy faulter again.

Sac is not a destination city. no one wants to Play for the kings. so they like a utah, will need to draft their star(s) first. then maybe you can attract others.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:58 am    Post subject:

fallacy here is the assumption that all young talent is created equal. Not all young cores will turn out to be anywhere near as good as Steph,Klay,Dray... no matter how good coaching and development staff are.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 9:47 am    Post subject:

There was an article a couple of years ago about building teams - can't remember where though. The essence basically was that building a playoff/championship team through the draft is not possible. There have to be trades and big trades at some point. The article also put this in relation to the CBA and salray cap.

Salary cap, luxury tax and CBA have changed more than once since then and they seem to change a lot more often lately. So maybe if you start a certain strategy now you will be screwed by cap and CBA changes in a couple of years.

Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to watch a lot of playoffs. But I can't really say that there are free agents except LeBron that impressed me a whole lot. There are some other players - but trading away young talent is a difficult decision, especially since most of the players you want to have nobody else wants to give away...
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:33 am    Post subject:

Celtics are up 3-1 in the semis without an all NBA guard and an all star caliber forward.

PLUS they own Sacramento's first rounder next year (unless it falls at one) or the Lakers pick this year if it falls at 2-5. PLUS the Memphis first rounder (top 8 and 6 protection next two years, then unprotected in 2021, Memphis completely stinks by the way). PLUS the Clippers first either in 2019 or 2020 if the Clippers make the playoffs. That's in addition to their own picks. They could easily swing a deal for AD or Leonard with those juicy draft assets and attaching a couple superfluous guys like Brown and Rozier or Smart. They don't even have to touch their core.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:13 am    Post subject:

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Celtics are up 3-1 in the semis without an all NBA guard and an all star caliber forward.

PLUS they own Sacramento's first rounder next year (unless it falls at one) or the Lakers pick this year if it falls at 2-5. PLUS the Memphis first rounder (top 8 and 6 protection next two years, then unprotected in 2021, Memphis completely stinks by the way). PLUS the Clippers first either in 2019 or 2020 if the Clippers make the playoffs. That's in addition to their own picks. They could easily swing a deal for AD or Leonard with those juicy draft assets and attaching a couple superfluous guys like Brown and Rozier or Smart. They don't even have to touch their core.

you do realize brown and rozier are their core right?

who do you think has been balling? Hayward went down day one. Kryie has been down recently. who's been balling it up? tatum, brown, and Rozier.You might not want to just toss those guys out so quickly when they've shown great signs as youngsters. unless of course you see a lebron in the draft.

I'm not so sure i would trade away these guys for Kawhi if i wasnt 100% sure he was 100% healthy. because even if he did come to their team. is he going to make that much a difference? They are already balling. they already have perimeter players. are you going to bench tatum? would this help or hurt his trajectory? remember tatum and KL play the same position SF.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: With the way Utah, Boston & Gs are! Does that mean the Lakers Will???

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Looking at what Boston is doing with only one Star "Horford" and young hungry dudes. And what Utah is doing with all young dudes and two up and coming stars. And to include what GS became even before they added KD.

Is that the wining formal to build your team up and win chips? And if you believe that it is the correct formal, is it safe to say just Adding PG13 with the Lakers young hungry dudes we will be in the mix Next year?


There isn't a "winning formula." If you look at the last few ring teams -- GS, Cleveland, the Spurs, the Heat, Dallas and the Lakers -- you'll see a lot of variation in how they assembled their teams.

We just need to figure out the best way to assemble the most talent that fits together well, and there are lots of ways to do that. So what Utah, GS, Boston or anyone did shouldn't have any bearing on what we do.
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What Boston has done is incredible. They had one non playoff year and now they have a championship core, with future stars like Tatum and Brown and guys stepping up looking like gems like Rozier. They can easily put together a package for AD or Leonard, possible even deal Kyrie and retain Smart and Rozier. Best coaching in the NBA as well plus Sacramento's pick next year? Lol.

Our backup PGs were Caruso and Tyler Ennis. Running circles around the Lakers right now.
What boston has done is not incredible.

When you have kg, ray allen, and paul pierce on the same team. Then you had a young rondo(because before you brought those guys in your team sucked.) you have assets when you only win one ring with that super team. once you realized time to break it up(which is much easier thing to do when you've only won ONE TIME.) you have people to trade to other desperate teams with picks. those guys get old on the other team and that team goes into the tank(NETS) and you get all sorts of high picks from it. you keep flipping picks for other picks. next thing you know, you have a team full of young guys and a couple of new FA's. Its not mind blowing that this has occurred. It's solid GM work for sure. but not mind blowing.

Philly sucking since DR J, then sucking again since barkley, then sucking again post AI. Then finally fielding a team of young guys that get to the playoffs. then to blow that up to tank year after year after year after year until you finally get lucky and hit on a couple of top picks. nothing is ground breaking about that either. just in case you were going there too.

Gstate's way isnt ground breaking either. you suck for a long time. then finally become semi decent post latrell sprewell. the Baron davis era. Then you fall back down again. then some of your picks end up getting injured early in their careers, which means you suck again some more. never seeing the WCF's, never seeing the finals. The warriors were not contenders for like 30+ years prior to this recent run.

The bucks haven't looked this decent since Big Dog robinson, ray allen, and Michael redd played on the same team...i'm not sure redd was even there yet.. probably tim thomas(the suns still bothers me). and they never went to the finals either. shoot was kareem's championship the last bucks ring? I think so.

lets not even talk about the raptors. air canad amounted to nothing in all reality. and they are still in the same place. going no where fast(probably going to get swept by a hobbling cavs team..what a shame.)


basically the rule of thumb is suck for awhile and pray the guys you pick in the draft turn into ballers.

The lakers...why arent we there yet? because we have won too often since the 80's. a bunch of back to backs or 3 peats. you win like that and you can't just let the band go and start over again like boston did with ray allen, kg, etc. you can't even hit the semi reset like the spurs did after every other year when they would never win a back 2 back title. This is why you're just now seeing our young core starting to make strides. we're late to the be sorry for a bit and pick good guys party. and unlike these other teams we have not sucked for DECADES. So please laker fans. please dont get so caught up in what these other teams are doing or really not doing aside from being bad for a long time and finally getting good picks and assets to trade for better players or cap space to have to woo better players.

its easy to have cap space, and high picks when you've sucked for awhile. that doesnt take a lot of smarts to pull off.


Lakers lost a LOT of ground because Stern killed the CP3 trade. Simple. If CP3 came here along with Howard and Kobe, anything could have happened. We also would have had tradeable pieces if it didn't work out. That one nixed trade set this franchise back at least 5 years. There is no one way to win a ring. Whatever works for your franchise is what you do. The Lakers are doing their thing right now and we will see how it plays out soon enough.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: With the way Utah, Boston & Gs are! Does that mean the Lakers Will???

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Looking at what Boston is doing with only one Star "Horford" and young hungry dudes. And what Utah is doing with all young dudes and two up and coming stars. And to include what GS became even before they added KD.

Is that the wining formal to build your team up and win chips? And if you believe that it is the correct formal, is it safe to say just Adding PG13 with the Lakers young hungry dudes we will be in the mix Next year?



The Céltics are bruisers that can score this season, that makes plenty dangerous. But they had KI a good part of the season to, no need to forget that. Next season they should be even more dangerous with two star (that adds up to 3) coming back & a nice supporting cast.

Don't forget Philly, they are getting better..

Lakers, today, don't have the pieces today to compete.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject:

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What those teams have in common is great coaches, something Luke is not.


Give Luke some time. Snyder has been coaching since 1992 and a head coach since 2014. Stevens since 2001 and head coach since 2013. A bit unfair to Luke... As much as people preach about letting the core grow, the same could be said about our coaching staff.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:27 pm    Post subject:

Singe has only been good in recent years. He’s sucked for a long damn time as an executive. He’s had one championship since 2003.

You can’t trash the former Lakers management and in the same breath praise Ainge when the Lakers have had more Championships in the same time frame. Look at his 2013 & 2014 drafts.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: With the way Utah, Boston & Gs are! Does that mean the Lakers Will???

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Looking at what Boston is doing with only one Star "Horford" and young hungry dudes. And what Utah is doing with all young dudes and two up and coming stars. And to include what GS became even before they added KD.

Is that the wining formal to build your team up and win chips? And if you believe that it is the correct formal, is it safe to say just Adding PG13 with the Lakers young hungry dudes we will be in the mix Next year?



The Céltics are bruisers that can score this season, that makes plenty dangerous. But they had KI a good part of the season to, no need to forget that. Next season they should be even more dangerous with two star (that adds up to 3) coming back & a nice supporting cast.

Don't forget Philly, they are getting better..

Lakers, today, don't have the pieces today to compete.


I disagree. We can beat any team in this league in a 7 game series as is. I don’t see these kids giving up, and we got some smart players on the roster.
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What Boston has done is incredible. They had one non playoff year and now they have a championship core, with future stars like Tatum and Brown and guys stepping up looking like gems like Rozier. They can easily put together a package for AD or Leonard, possible even deal Kyrie and retain Smart and Rozier. Best coaching in the NBA as well plus Sacramento's pick next year? Lol.

Our backup PGs were Caruso and Tyler Ennis. Running circles around the Lakers right now.
What boston has done is not incredible.

When you have kg, ray allen, and paul pierce on the same team. Then you had a young rondo(because before you brought those guys in your team sucked.) you have assets when you only win one ring with that super team. once you realized time to break it up(which is much easier thing to do when you've only won ONE TIME.) you have people to trade to other desperate teams with picks. those guys get old on the other team and that team goes into the tank(NETS) and you get all sorts of high picks from it. you keep flipping picks for other picks. next thing you know, you have a team full of young guys and a couple of new FA's. Its not mind blowing that this has occurred. It's solid GM work for sure. but not mind blowing.

Philly sucking since DR J, then sucking again since barkley, then sucking again post AI. Then finally fielding a team of young guys that get to the playoffs. then to blow that up to tank year after year after year after year until you finally get lucky and hit on a couple of top picks. nothing is ground breaking about that either. just in case you were going there too.

Gstate's way isnt ground breaking either. you suck for a long time. then finally become semi decent post latrell sprewell. the Baron davis era. Then you fall back down again. then some of your picks end up getting injured early in their careers, which means you suck again some more. never seeing the WCF's, never seeing the finals. The warriors were not contenders for like 30+ years prior to this recent run.

The bucks haven't looked this decent since Big Dog robinson, ray allen, and Michael redd played on the same team...i'm not sure redd was even there yet.. probably tim thomas(the suns still bothers me). and they never went to the finals either. shoot was kareem's championship the last bucks ring? I think so.

lets not even talk about the raptors. air canad amounted to nothing in all reality. and they are still in the same place. going no where fast(probably going to get swept by a hobbling cavs team..what a shame.)


basically the rule of thumb is suck for awhile and pray the guys you pick in the draft turn into ballers.

The lakers...why arent we there yet? because we have won too often since the 80's. a bunch of back to backs or 3 peats. you win like that and you can't just let the band go and start over again like boston did with ray allen, kg, etc. you can't even hit the semi reset like the spurs did after every other year when they would never win a back 2 back title. This is why you're just now seeing our young core starting to make strides. we're late to the be sorry for a bit and pick good guys party. and unlike these other teams we have not sucked for DECADES. So please laker fans. please dont get so caught up in what these other teams are doing or really not doing aside from being bad for a long time and finally getting good picks and assets to trade for better players or cap space to have to woo better players.

its easy to have cap space, and high picks when you've sucked for awhile. that doesnt take a lot of smarts to pull off.


Lakers lost a LOT of ground because Stern killed the CP3 trade. Simple. If CP3 came here along with Howard and Kobe, anything could have happened. We also would have had tradeable pieces if it didn't work out. That one nixed trade set this franchise back at least 5 years. There is no one way to win a ring. Whatever works for your franchise is what you do. The Lakers are doing their thing right now and we will see how it plays out soon enough.
That nixed deal put an additional 5 years on any timeline we had. and thats minimum. That move to get cp3 then have dwight in the background waiting was possibly one of the best double plays I've ever seen the lakers make so quickly and they were about to save cash doing it. amazing. this is why i was not so hard on jimbo. He did that when his dad was on his way out. those were two helluva moves. it took some league shenanigans to stop it. something that has never happened before and probably will never happen again from the league side. If thats what it takes to derail us I know how good my lakers FO's can be and making the right deals for the right people at the right time for the overall good of the franchise. You basically had to cheat us to stop us.
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RhodyRay wrote:
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lakers4life78 wrote:
What Boston has done is incredible. They had one non playoff year and now they have a championship core, with future stars like Tatum and Brown and guys stepping up looking like gems like Rozier. They can easily put together a package for AD or Leonard, possible even deal Kyrie and retain Smart and Rozier. Best coaching in the NBA as well plus Sacramento's pick next year? Lol.

Our backup PGs were Caruso and Tyler Ennis. Running circles around the Lakers right now.
What boston has done is not incredible.

When you have kg, ray allen, and paul pierce on the same team. Then you had a young rondo(because before you brought those guys in your team sucked.) you have assets when you only win one ring with that super team. once you realized time to break it up(which is much easier thing to do when you've only won ONE TIME.) you have people to trade to other desperate teams with picks. those guys get old on the other team and that team goes into the tank(NETS) and you get all sorts of high picks from it. you keep flipping picks for other picks. next thing you know, you have a team full of young guys and a couple of new FA's. Its not mind blowing that this has occurred. It's solid GM work for sure. but not mind blowing.

Philly sucking since DR J, then sucking again since barkley, then sucking again post AI. Then finally fielding a team of young guys that get to the playoffs. then to blow that up to tank year after year after year after year until you finally get lucky and hit on a couple of top picks. nothing is ground breaking about that either. just in case you were going there too.

Gstate's way isnt ground breaking either. you suck for a long time. then finally become semi decent post latrell sprewell. the Baron davis era. Then you fall back down again. then some of your picks end up getting injured early in their careers, which means you suck again some more. never seeing the WCF's, never seeing the finals. The warriors were not contenders for like 30+ years prior to this recent run.

The bucks haven't looked this decent since Big Dog robinson, ray allen, and Michael redd played on the same team...i'm not sure redd was even there yet.. probably tim thomas(the suns still bothers me). and they never went to the finals either. shoot was kareem's championship the last bucks ring? I think so.

lets not even talk about the raptors. air canad amounted to nothing in all reality. and they are still in the same place. going no where fast(probably going to get swept by a hobbling cavs team..what a shame.)


basically the rule of thumb is suck for awhile and pray the guys you pick in the draft turn into ballers.

The lakers...why arent we there yet? because we have won too often since the 80's. a bunch of back to backs or 3 peats. you win like that and you can't just let the band go and start over again like boston did with ray allen, kg, etc. you can't even hit the semi reset like the spurs did after every other year when they would never win a back 2 back title. This is why you're just now seeing our young core starting to make strides. we're late to the be sorry for a bit and pick good guys party. and unlike these other teams we have not sucked for DECADES. So please laker fans. please dont get so caught up in what these other teams are doing or really not doing aside from being bad for a long time and finally getting good picks and assets to trade for better players or cap space to have to woo better players.

its easy to have cap space, and high picks when you've sucked for awhile. that doesnt take a lot of smarts to pull off.


Lakers lost a LOT of ground because Stern killed the CP3 trade. Simple. If CP3 came here along with Howard and Kobe, anything could have happened. We also would have had tradeable pieces if it didn't work out. That one nixed trade set this franchise back at least 5 years. There is no one way to win a ring. Whatever works for your franchise is what you do. The Lakers are doing their thing right now and we will see how it plays out soon enough.
That nixed deal put an additional 5 years on any timeline we had. and thats minimum. That move to get cp3 then have dwight in the background waiting was possibly one of the best double plays I've ever seen the lakers make so quickly and they were about to save cash doing it. amazing. this is why i was not so hard on jimbo. He did that when his dad was on his way out. those were two helluva moves. it took some league shenanigans to stop it. something that has never happened before and probably will never happen again from the league side. If thats what it takes to derail us I know how good my lakers FO's can be and making the right deals for the right people at the right time for the overall good of the franchise. You basically had to cheat us to stop us.


To this day I want to punch Stern in the face.

That was complete BS "basketball reasons"
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