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If 13 points 7.4 rebounds and 4.7 assists is a legit all star....cool. does he bring the intangibles and improved his defense this year? Absolutely. Still a borderline all star imo.
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And no, Kuzma and Ingram are not better than Tatum and Brown. I'd make that swap in a second.
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| Maybe in time. Maybe in time. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Maybe in time. Maybe in time. |
Possible.
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | And no, Kuzma and Ingram are not better than Tatum and Brown. I'd make that swap in a second. |
I wouldn't trade Ingram for Brown. Tatum for Kuzma, sure. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | If 13 points 7.4 rebounds and 4.7 assists is a legit all star....cool. does he bring the intangibles and improved his defense this year? Absolutely. Still a borderline all star imo. |
I'd take him over DeRozan. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | And no, Kuzma and Ingram are not better than Tatum and Brown. I'd make that swap in a second. |
I wouldn't trade Ingram for Brown. Tatum for Kuzma, sure. |
Ingram for Tatum. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | And no, Kuzma and Ingram are not better than Tatum and Brown. I'd make that swap in a second. |
I wouldn't trade Ingram for Brown. Tatum for Kuzma, sure. |
I was just talking about a 2 for 2 swap.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | And no, Kuzma and Ingram are not better than Tatum and Brown. I'd make that swap in a second. |
I wouldn't trade Ingram for Brown. Tatum for Kuzma, sure. |
Ingram for Tatum. |
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I mentioned this in the pre-season when Kuz outplayed Tatum, saying the #27 pick held his own vs the #3 pick.
Even in the regular season Kuz outshined Tatum.
So i agree with the headline
Brown has a more stubby frame, BI is slimmer & longer, but once he bulks up a bit, he’s gonna be a problem on both ends of the floor.
Kuz + BI > Tatum + Brown |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| The Tatum hype is outta control at this point. Put him in Phoenix or on our team and he'd be perceived much differently. |
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| I think circumstance does elevate Tatum's game but he's very talented. He's a 3-level scorer but Ingram is a better playmaker and likely defender down the line. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| tj24 wrote: | | The Tatum hype is outta control at this point. Put him in Phoenix or on our team and he'd be perceived much differently. |
He is where he is and doing a great job. Give credit
where credit is due.
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| I don't know who will be better from that group. But I certainly don't find myself clamoring over any of Boston's young bucks, I'm good with the guys we've drafted. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | BynumForThree wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | BynumForThree wrote: | | Let's compare their Playoff stats. |
Let’s compare the allstars they play with too. |
Al Horford is the only All Star they're playing with so... |
And he is borderline. |
He shouldn't be considered as such. |
lol what? One Horford is legit and he’s probably been in the playoffs almost every year of his career. Name 5 centers in the east better than Horford. He was arguably the best defensive player of the year. Throw in Kyrie who’s top 3 at pg and it’s no wonder their in the playoffs. I’m not discounting what Tatum and Brown has done in the playoffs but they got their with the help of two allstars. Anyone saying otherwise isn’t being honest.
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| tj24 wrote: | | The Tatum hype is outta control at this point. Put him in Phoenix or on our team and he'd be perceived much differently. |
He’s good and I like his heart but he does get overrated skill wise. They even overrate his length. I think it was Tim Legler comparing the Lakers youth and Boston’s youth and he said Boston’s youth are very long and versatile lol I’m like what? That applies more to the Lakers youth than anyone else’s.
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| deal wrote: | | tj24 wrote: | | The Tatum hype is outta control at this point. Put him in Phoenix or on our team and he'd be perceived much differently. |
He is where he is and doing a great job. Give credit
where credit is due. |
Majority of his scoring assisted. He gets credit for knocking down the shots but life would be different for him playing ingrams role(s)in LA or coming off the bench in PHX playing next to alex len like josh jackson.
hes a very nice player for boston. |
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JeezyXVII
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| tj24 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | tj24 wrote: | | The Tatum hype is outta control at this point. Put him in Phoenix or on our team and he'd be perceived much differently. |
He is where he is and doing a great job. Give credit
where credit is due. |
Majority of his scoring assisted. He gets credit for knocking down the shots but life would be different for him playing ingrams role(s)in LA or coming off the bench in PHX playing next to alex len like josh jackson.
hes a very nice player for boston. |
Agree! Boston got a very talented player who they use correctly. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Car54 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | BynumForThree wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | BynumForThree wrote: | | Let's compare their Playoff stats. |
Let’s compare the allstars they play with too. |
Al Horford is the only All Star they're playing with so... |
And he is borderline. |
He shouldn't be considered as such. |
lol what? One Horford is legit and he’s probably been in the playoffs almost every year of his career. Name 5 centers in the east better than Horford. He was arguably the best defensive player of the year. Throw in Kyrie who’s top 3 at pg and it’s no wonder their in the playoffs. I’m not discounting what Tatum and Brown has done in the playoffs but they got their with the help of two allstars. Anyone saying otherwise isn’t being honest. |
I assume you're responding to the lovely Vancouver since you and I agree. |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | Disagree. Tatum has a better offensive game due to his dribbling skill. And let's not forget Tatum is also younger. I have no doubt Ingram is better than Brown though |
Kuzma offense is a lot more versatile than Tatums and I don’t think he handles the ball any better than Kuzma. Kuzma offensive game includes posting up hook shots etc... Kuzma also gets to the basket just as easy.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | BynumForThree wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | BynumForThree wrote: | | Let's compare their Playoff stats. |
Let’s compare the allstars they play with too. |
Al Horford is the only All Star they're playing with so... |
And he is borderline. |
He shouldn't be considered as such. |
lol what? One Horford is legit and he’s probably been in the playoffs almost every year of his career. Name 5 centers in the east better than Horford. He was arguably the best defensive player of the year. Throw in Kyrie who’s top 3 at pg and it’s no wonder their in the playoffs. I’m not discounting what Tatum and Brown has done in the playoffs but they got their with the help of two allstars. Anyone saying otherwise isn’t being honest. |
I assume you're responding to the lovely Vancouver since you and I agree. |
yes
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Man when Tatum gets to Kuzma's age...
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| cthroatgtr wrote: | | Yes but Brad Stevens > Luke |
if you compare records for their first 2 years its pretty close. Plus one is in east and one is in west. |
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| tj24 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | tj24 wrote: | | The Tatum hype is outta control at this point. Put him in Phoenix or on our team and he'd be perceived much differently. |
He is where he is and doing a great job. Give credit
where credit is due. |
Majority of his scoring assisted. He gets credit for knocking down the shots but life would be different for him playing ingrams role(s)in LA or coming off the bench in PHX playing next to alex len like josh jackson.
hes a very nice player for boston. |
Credit it to him for upping his game in the playoffs without Irving, though. His usage rate and percentage of unassisted FGs have gone up without a significant drop in TS% while he's creating more for teammates. His playoff performance has impressed me much more than his regular season performance. |
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| Were I Kuzma or Ingram I'd be using Tatum/Brown's deep run into the playoffs as motivation to get better. Appreciate your optimism OP, but right now, Kuz and BI should feel outclassed. And if they don't, we've got problems. |
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