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Inspector Gadget
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| Nobody wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | No thanks, even if Doncic is ready to contribute right away, it doesn’t make sense to get another prospect when the Lakers are in win now mode.... from here on out..any player we acquire will be a veteran Impact player... the Lakers are already young enough... no point getting younger. |
Doncic is not a prospect. He's the best player of the second best league in the world. And he's 19 years old. |
Key word: 19
Yeah he probably dominated the euro-league but the NBA is a whole different animal with multiple athletic defenders on his grill... yeah he’s gonna be good but there will be a adjustment period... |
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | Lakers Interest in Doncic.
I'm interested in Kate Upton.
Guess what???? |
don't sell yourself short bro |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Nobody wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | No thanks, even if Doncic is ready to contribute right away, it doesn’t make sense to get another prospect when the Lakers are in win now mode.... from here on out..any player we acquire will be a veteran Impact player... the Lakers are already young enough... no point getting younger. |
Doncic is not a prospect. He's the best player of the second best league in the world. And he's 19 years old. |
Key word: 19
Yeah he probably dominated the euro-league but the NBA is a whole different animal with multiple athletic defenders on his grill... yeah he’s gonna be good but there will be a adjustment period... |
Okay, so you brush off Euroleague because it's different than the NBA (and add his age to boot). But at the same time you apparently have completely different expectations for his peers that play in the NCAA (against kids) and haven't played a serious game in their lives? I can't really argue with that. 
I agree that there is going to be an adjustment period. But it should be a bit quicker considering what he's done so far. |
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Somebody likes Lonzo that much? Third pick for Lonzo AND Deng? :o :o Sign me up then. I'll take that trade anyday. |
"Maaaayunn, Lonzo's better than Kawhi." |
Lonzo better than Kawhi? LOL, only in the Ball family a few others. |
Whoever thinks Lonzo is better than Leonard needs to be admitted into a insane asylum. Would trade Lonzo in a heartbeat to get better. Remember Lonzo can't shoot a lick and he was injured 1/3 of the season. Oh and he has a jackass of a father.. |
If you ask 98% of the nation, they probably say the Kawhi injured and not playingis and in street clothes is better than an active and healthy Ball. |
98% of the nation is dumb. So that isn't really a great argument. In fact, it's probably more like 99%.
Obviously a guy who can contribute on the court is more useful than one who either can't or won't (we're not really sure in Kawhi's case). Until he prove he can get on the court, in my mind his value is zero. And the fact that he's possibly a head case makes me wary as well.
That said, in no universe is healthy Lonzo more valuable than a healthy, mentally sound Kawhi. But the latter is more fantasy at the moment than the former. |
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Ball+Doncic would be the most aesthetically pleasing and as incredibly conductive to winning a backcourt that I could imagine. That would be a dream.
Ingram+Hart+Deng for #3+#30
Sign Paul George. Sign LeBron. Match/Sign Randle. Sign Brook(Room Exception)
PG - Ball / Ring Chaser / #30 Pick
SG - Doncic / #27 Pick
SF - George / Kuzma
PF - LeBron / Kuzma
C - Randle / Brook
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakers4Life33 wrote: | Ball+Doncic would be the most aesthetically pleasing and as incredibly conductive to winning a backcourt that I could imagine. That would be a dream.
Ingram+Hart+Deng for #3+#30
Sign Paul George. Sign LeBron. Match/Sign Randle. Sign Brook(Room Exception)
PG - Ball / Ring Chaser / #30 Pick
SG - Doncic / #27 Pick
SF - George / Kuzma
PF - LeBron / Kuzma
C - Randle / Brook
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you're going to trade all that just to miss on Doncic by 1 pick? |
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| 2019 wrote: | | Lakers4Life33 wrote: | Ball+Doncic would be the most aesthetically pleasing and as incredibly conductive to winning a backcourt that I could imagine. That would be a dream.
Ingram+Hart+Deng for #3+#30
Sign Paul George. Sign LeBron. Match/Sign Randle. Sign Brook(Room Exception)
PG - Ball / Ring Chaser / #30 Pick
SG - Doncic / #27 Pick
SF - George / Kuzma
PF - LeBron / Kuzma
C - Randle / Brook
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you're going to trade all that just to miss on Doncic by 1 pick? |
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Whoever is not interested in Doncic must already have an all-star backcourt guaranteed for the next 5 years. Or talk to a psychiatrist.
That said, a reality check is also a useful thing. Do we have any good way of getting Doncic? UNfortunately no. So, it's a pipe dream. Move on.
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Shaber wrote: | Whoever is not interested in Doncic must already have an all-star backcourt guaranteed for the next 5 years. Or talk to a psychiatrist.
That said, a reality check is also a useful thing. Do we have any good way of getting Doncic? UNfortunately no. So, it's a pipe dream. Move on. |
I could see something happening with Atlanta if Doncic is still on the board. Latest mock draft on NBADraft.Net has Doncic slipping to #5. They have Atlanta taking Jackson at #3. If the Lakers feel strongly about Doncic, maybe they offer Atlanta Ingram and Deng for #3 and #19? Take Doncic with #3 and Robinson with #19. |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Is he really that good? fast enough for NBA? |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | Is he really that good? fast enough for NBA? |
He's not a prospect so you don't have to ask |
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Ohh my! Remember the days of the backcourt of the next decade: Dlo & JC  |
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| I’m not sure how much of it smoke, but the more I read/hear about Doncic, the less confidence I have in how he’ll do. |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Practice wrote: | | I’m not sure how much of it smoke, but the more I read/hear about Doncic, the less confidence I have in how he’ll do. |
Some european players do well in the NBA some others don't. You'll never know.
Doncic can create his own shot. So that is something that will help.
Being best player in Europe at the age 19 is something you just do not ignore.
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I just watched a 4th quarter where LeBron James was attacking the basket using strength against Stephen Curry, not quickness. Outpowered him to the hoop multiple times, found the open man repeatedly, barely ran screen and roll.
But, Doncic can't do this?
The fact that it draws out KD as the initial defensive assignment, then PnR forces a switch onto Curry, just emphasizes how critical it is to basically have a Magic Johnson-size PG with actual vision, passing, and an average 3-point shot.
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| Practice wrote: | | I’m not sure how much of it smoke, but the more I read/hear about Doncic, the less confidence I have in how he’ll do. |
Think he'd look great on a good team.
On a bad team, people would wonder if they blew the pick. |
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| scoobs wrote: | | Shaber wrote: | Whoever is not interested in Doncic must already have an all-star backcourt guaranteed for the next 5 years. Or talk to a psychiatrist.
That said, a reality check is also a useful thing. Do we have any good way of getting Doncic? UNfortunately no. So, it's a pipe dream. Move on. |
I could see something happening with Atlanta if Doncic is still on the board. Latest mock draft on NBADraft.Net has Doncic slipping to #5. They have Atlanta taking Jackson at #3. If the Lakers feel strongly about Doncic, maybe they offer Atlanta Ingram and Deng for #3 and #19? Take Doncic with #3 and Robinson with #19. |
Youre not gonna get the 3rd pick for Ingram and you want the 19th?
If I could trade Ingram for Doncic, I would. Hes going to have a bigger impact than Ingram.
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It just seems to me that trading for a rookie is a step in the opposite direction in the one the management wants to be heading.
I want to keep the core together but if we trade one or two of our pieces for an all star type player, then atleast it'd be easier to understand. But trading our pieces for a rookie who won't be able to contribute to the level the player we trade can for the first few seasons just doesn't make any sense.
There's going to be 'fancy' new players in every draft but at some point we gotta go with what we have. |
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We can’t get him. He is a major talent and the league scouts know it.
I remember when the Knocks picked Porzingis and Knicks fans were outraged.
Those days are over. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Das wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | Shaber wrote: | Whoever is not interested in Doncic must already have an all-star backcourt guaranteed for the next 5 years. Or talk to a psychiatrist.
That said, a reality check is also a useful thing. Do we have any good way of getting Doncic? UNfortunately no. So, it's a pipe dream. Move on. |
I could see something happening with Atlanta if Doncic is still on the board. Latest mock draft on NBADraft.Net has Doncic slipping to #5. They have Atlanta taking Jackson at #3. If the Lakers feel strongly about Doncic, maybe they offer Atlanta Ingram and Deng for #3 and #19? Take Doncic with #3 and Robinson with #19. |
Youre not gonna get the 3rd pick for Ingram and you want the 19th?
If I could trade Ingram for Doncic, I would. Hes going to have a bigger impact than Ingram. |
Ingram's value went up imo, based on his off season work outs. Atlanta might feel Ingram is more of a sure thing for them, already got 16,5 and 4, granted it was on a bad team but he did that at only 20 years old. I wouldnt count on them giving us the #19, maybe the #30 would be a good compromise. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Ingram isn’t going anywhere unless we are getting KAT/ Kawhi or Anthony Davis. |
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| What am I missing? It might just be the YouTube video quality, but Doncic looks big and slow to me. He can shoot the three, crossover some chain smoking European dude, and make the occasional uncontested dunk. But does that make him a shoo-in for the best player in the draft? How is he defensively? How about elite court vision? Rebounding? Making teammates better? Etc... |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Ingram isn’t going anywhere unless we are getting KAT/ Kawhi or Anthony Davis. |
Speaking of big, slow, and clueless on defense. Ladies and Gentlemen.... I give you KAT... |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Ingram isn’t going anywhere unless we are getting KAT/ Kawhi or Anthony Davis. |
Speaking of big, slow, and clueless on defense. Ladies and Gentlemen.... I give you KAT... |
Slow? Every time I watched Minnesota play... Towns was always running in transition. |
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| I wouldn’t give Ingram up for any player in this draft. |
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