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| Rek wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | ducasse wrote: | | DaGreat81 wrote: | | He’s amazing, 21 years old destroying records, incredible player, maybe we can sign him in the next 5-10 years 😊 |
There's no way Cuban will let him go. He'll do whatever it takes to put talent around him so he doesn't leave. |
AD and Luka! |
Everyone should be much more concerned about Giannis forcing his way to Dallas imo. If I'm Giannis, that would be my first priority if Milwaukee is willing to take back Kristaps + filler + picks instead of losing The Freak for nothing. |
It all depends on his mental processing.
KD thought it would be cool, but he found out he wasn’t happy front-running.
If the Bucks don’t win this season or next, the narrative will be that Giannis needed Luka to win. Not sure he wants that. Same thing applies to him going to Golden State. |
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^ Only way Luka leaves the Mavs is if Cuban somehow implodes and pulls a Dan Gilbert.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
Doncic put up 29-9-9 this season. Lebron is the only reliable initiator on the team. I think they would fit. |
Oh they'd make it work. Don't get me wrong. But I give the edge to AD since he is a better pick and roll partner for Bron plus he's arguably the best defender in the league.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Don't why this thread is alive from the dead but I would have traded every lotto pick over those 6 years for Luka. Dude is on his way to all time great status. IMO he is to LeBron what Kobe is to Jordan. The heir apparent. |
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This is a spicy take.
For every 1 Kobe there is a TMAC, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Brandon Roy, Ginobli, Wade.
You may be right. You may not be. It'll probably come down to playoff success.
1 thing is unquestionable though IMO. Luka is/will be considered an all-time great. |
Yeah I understand that and I agree but that's where guys like Trae, Booker, Tatum, Mitchell, etc will end up. Hall of fame, all NBA, all stars, max players, etc etc. Luka is head and shoulders above every other young player in the NBA. He's got that thing about him that you rarely see but can't not see when you do.
Again, it's my opinion, but he's in the ilk of LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, MJ, Larry, Magic. You saw in all of them superstardom/true lead players on championship team from day 1.. it was just a matter of when.
Like I said, he will be top 10 all time. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
Doncic put up 29-9-9 this season. Lebron is the only reliable initiator on the team. I think they would fit. |
Oh they'd make it work. Don't get me wrong. But I give the edge to AD since he is a better pick and roll partner for Bron plus he's arguably the best defender in the league. |
I’m not sure that basing a decision on a 35 yo player over a 20 yo player is the correct way to build a team.
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wish we could have drafted him!!
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | ^ Only way Luka leaves the Mavs is if Cuban somehow implodes and pulls a Dan Gilbert. |
The context was AD to Mavs. Not the other way around.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Ingram and 25 for Doncic in a heartbeat for me. |
I am glad I wrote this TWO years ago, well before, Doncic proved to be a legit franchise guy.
I just saw something in the guy, I felt he had it. His skill level was crazy, but he also had this mentality you can not teach. If Porzingis stays healthy, and they build a balanced team around those 2, they will win a ring or two, IMO. |
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| Doncic is one of the best players in the league right now. AMAZING, especially given his age. I am really impressed with how much better he is on the defensive side of the ball. He was causing Mary George fits. |
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Not gonna happen. 
And Luka will be an all time great no doubt. Mavs really hit the lotto with him, and he's definitely tier above AD in terms of impact. In fact you can put him in the Lebron/Kobe tier if he keeps it up for another 4-5 seasons. However, the key will be keeping him (and Porzingis) healthy for the long haul. His ankle woes are certainly concerning and could be a problem in the future. Young players just tend to be more injury prone these days, which is why I fear for guys like Zion. One wrong landing and he may never be the same player. Seems like injury prevention specialists will be more in demand than ever. Look at how much the Pels worked on Zion's running and landing mechanics. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Don't why this thread is alive from the dead but I would have traded every lotto pick over those 6 years for Luka. Dude is on his way to all time great status. IMO he is to LeBron what Kobe is to Jordan. The heir apparent. |
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This is a spicy take.
For every 1 Kobe there is a TMAC, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Brandon Roy, Ginobli, Wade.
You may be right. You may not be. It'll probably come down to playoff success.
1 thing is unquestionable though IMO. Luka is/will be considered an all-time great. |
Yeah I understand that and I agree but that's where guys like Trae, Booker, Tatum, Mitchell, etc will end up. Hall of fame, all NBA, all stars, max players, etc etc. Luka is head and shoulders above every other young player in the NBA. He's got that thing about him that you rarely see but can't not see when you do.
Again, it's my opinion, but he's in the ilk of LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, MJ, Larry, Magic. You saw in all of them superstardom/true lead players on championship team from day 1.. it was just a matter of when.
Like I said, he will be top 10 all time. |
I don't got him top 10 all time. Not with the people in there or close (MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Oscar, Duncan in no order except MJ 1, Kareem 2). Kicking out those guys is a tall order. |
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| focus wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Don't why this thread is alive from the dead but I would have traded every lotto pick over those 6 years for Luka. Dude is on his way to all time great status. IMO he is to LeBron what Kobe is to Jordan. The heir apparent. |
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This is a spicy take.
For every 1 Kobe there is a TMAC, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Brandon Roy, Ginobli, Wade.
You may be right. You may not be. It'll probably come down to playoff success.
1 thing is unquestionable though IMO. Luka is/will be considered an all-time great. |
Yeah I understand that and I agree but that's where guys like Trae, Booker, Tatum, Mitchell, etc will end up. Hall of fame, all NBA, all stars, max players, etc etc. Luka is head and shoulders above every other young player in the NBA. He's got that thing about him that you rarely see but can't not see when you do.
Again, it's my opinion, but he's in the ilk of LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, MJ, Larry, Magic. You saw in all of them superstardom/true lead players on championship team from day 1.. it was just a matter of when.
Like I said, he will be top 10 all time. |
I don't got him top 10 all time. Not with the people in there or close (MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Oscar, Duncan in no order except MJ 1, Kareem 2). Kicking out those guys is a tall order. |
Luka looks like an excellent player, but getting to the top 10 is a hard route that takes 15-20 years. Luck and health are the X factors and it's easy to get derailed. |
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Glad we didn’t have a top 5 first round pick in 2018. We already had Zo, so Stephen A would be screaming at us on TV, Madsen would have beaten the (bleep) out of Luka in the workout, Luke would have ignored the offense and questioned his defense and his heart. Byron would have somehow called Magic and told him that Luka looked “soft”. And Pelinka would have been on the phone crying to Kobe how he can’t work with these people any longer.
I know I’m just joking, but there’s some truth in there. Just see how they treated Porzigis in his workout.
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"Lakers interested in Doncic.......
......with reports that 28 other NBA teams are also interested in the Slovenian superstar"
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| activeverb wrote: | | focus wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Don't why this thread is alive from the dead but I would have traded every lotto pick over those 6 years for Luka. Dude is on his way to all time great status. IMO he is to LeBron what Kobe is to Jordan. The heir apparent. |
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This is a spicy take.
For every 1 Kobe there is a TMAC, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Brandon Roy, Ginobli, Wade.
You may be right. You may not be. It'll probably come down to playoff success.
1 thing is unquestionable though IMO. Luka is/will be considered an all-time great. |
Yeah I understand that and I agree but that's where guys like Trae, Booker, Tatum, Mitchell, etc will end up. Hall of fame, all NBA, all stars, max players, etc etc. Luka is head and shoulders above every other young player in the NBA. He's got that thing about him that you rarely see but can't not see when you do.
Again, it's my opinion, but he's in the ilk of LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, MJ, Larry, Magic. You saw in all of them superstardom/true lead players on championship team from day 1.. it was just a matter of when.
Like I said, he will be top 10 all time. |
I don't got him top 10 all time. Not with the people in there or close (MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Oscar, Duncan in no order except MJ 1, Kareem 2). Kicking out those guys is a tall order. |
Luka looks like an excellent player, but getting to the top 10 is a hard route that takes 15-20 years. Luck and health are the X factors and it's easy to get derailed. |
Right, longevity will be key. I think that he seems to have developed an old man's game by the age of 12 will help his game age well while Giannis could have a steeper downward trend as he gets older and slower without improvement as a jump shooter.
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| Quote: | I don't got him top 10 all time. Not with the people in there or close (MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Oscar, Duncan in no order except MJ 1, Kareem 2). Kicking out those guys is a tall order.
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It's very early, yes.
But I've never seen a dude that was just big at his position, using his skill, and then taking a sub-talented Mavs team to the highest offensive rating in the NBA of all time, with margin, as a 20YO getting 28.9/9.4/8.8.
For all this talk about Russell Westbrook averaging a triple double with help from his own teammates, Luka wasn't trying, and was already right there, in his second year.
Even with the perceived "subpar shooting," it doesn't matter as much when his FTr is nearly 50%. That is outlier stuff for point guards usually. Hence, his TS is above league average, despite 31.6% arc shooting.
Just wait until his 3pt shooting just gets to league average. He's already pretty unguardable if Kawhi has a hard time against him.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | I don't got him top 10 all time. Not with the people in there or close (MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Oscar, Duncan in no order except MJ 1, Kareem 2). Kicking out those guys is a tall order.
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It's very early, yes.
But I've never seen a dude that was just big at his position, using his skill, and then taking a sub-talented Mavs team to the highest offensive rating in the NBA of all time, with margin, as a 20YO getting 28.9/9.4/8.8.
For all this talk about Russell Westbrook averaging a triple double with help from his own teammates, Luka wasn't trying, and was already right there, in his second year.
Even with the perceived "subpar shooting," it doesn't matter as much when his FTr is nearly 50%. That is outlier stuff for point guards usually. Hence, his TS is above league average, despite 31.6% arc shooting.
Just wait until his 3pt shooting just gets to league average. He's already pretty unguardable if Kawhi has a hard time against him. |
I misstated what I think in saying I do not have him in the top 10, should have added that I don't exclude him from that possibility. In other words, I don't think you CAN project someone top 10 from two (or less than) years of play, given the accomplishments and genius of the top 12 or so, even assuming good health, continued progression etc. To me, he actually could end up being the greatest player of all time, MJ included.
At that stratosphere where we are parsing out Bill Russell from Hakeem or Larry Bird from Michael, it's hard to see from way down here at my NBA fan level to make such fine edge determinations. Or probably even from a lot closer, like way up there at NBA average player level. I don't know what it means to be Jeff Bezos rich vs Bill Gates rich vs Bloomberg rich. It's all just damn rich to me. |
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I’m a fan of Doncic, but let me play devils advocate. There’s only a 5% chance that he’d have a better career than Kobe (health, accolades, championships, etc). Now many non Lakers fans have Kobe at around 13th all time. A lot of them have him behind Duncan. To me Kobe is clearly top 10, but I just want to highlight how difficult it is to put Luka in the top 10 so damn early.
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | I’m a fan of Doncic, but let me play devils advocate. There’s only a 5% chance that he’d have a better career than Kobe (health, accolades, championships, etc). Now many non Lakers fans have Kobe at around 13th all time. A lot of them have him behind Duncan. To me Kobe is clearly top 10, but I just want to highlight how difficult it is to put Luka in the top 10 so damn early. |
Luka is clearly better than your typical NBA rookie, I mean he was a pro in Europe since 2015. The development will be how much better can he get in the NBA, that is a question that remains to be answered. |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | I’m a fan of Doncic, but let me play devils advocate. There’s only a 5% chance that he’d have a better career than Kobe (health, accolades, championships, etc). Now many non Lakers fans have Kobe at around 13th all time. A lot of them have him behind Duncan. To me Kobe is clearly top 10, but I just want to highlight how difficult it is to put Luka in the top 10 so damn early. |
I think it's a better chance. It's up to the FO of his team to help him.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | I’m a fan of Doncic, but let me play devils advocate. There’s only a 5% chance that he’d have a better career than Kobe (health, accolades, championships, etc). Now many non Lakers fans have Kobe at around 13th all time. A lot of them have him behind Duncan. To me Kobe is clearly top 10, but I just want to highlight how difficult it is to put Luka in the top 10 so damn early. |
I think it's a better chance. It's up to the FO of his team to help him. |
Here's what Jerry thinks about him. https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2020/01/03/nba-icon-jerry-west-says-mavs-star-luka-doncic-will-be-better-than-dirk-nowitzki/
I didn't even watch the game but he got 38 9 and 9 being the obvious defensive focus without Porzingis and bum ankle in elimination game. And taking a beating. Never fails to impress at every point. Great leadership. |
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Well, I think his chances of willingly signing with the Clippers went down this week...
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| focus wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | I’m a fan of Doncic, but let me play devils advocate. There’s only a 5% chance that he’d have a better career than Kobe (health, accolades, championships, etc). Now many non Lakers fans have Kobe at around 13th all time. A lot of them have him behind Duncan. To me Kobe is clearly top 10, but I just want to highlight how difficult it is to put Luka in the top 10 so damn early. |
I think it's a better chance. It's up to the FO of his team to help him. |
Here's what Jerry thinks about him. https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2020/01/03/nba-icon-jerry-west-says-mavs-star-luka-doncic-will-be-better-than-dirk-nowitzki/
I didn't even watch the game but he got 38 9 and 9 being the obvious defensive focus without Porzingis and bum ankle in elimination game. And taking a beating. Never fails to impress at every point. Great leadership. |
Oh easily. Dirk really struggled his first couple of years in the league.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | focus wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | I’m a fan of Doncic, but let me play devils advocate. There’s only a 5% chance that he’d have a better career than Kobe (health, accolades, championships, etc). Now many non Lakers fans have Kobe at around 13th all time. A lot of them have him behind Duncan. To me Kobe is clearly top 10, but I just want to highlight how difficult it is to put Luka in the top 10 so damn early. |
I think it's a better chance. It's up to the FO of his team to help him. |
Here's what Jerry thinks about him. https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2020/01/03/nba-icon-jerry-west-says-mavs-star-luka-doncic-will-be-better-than-dirk-nowitzki/
I didn't even watch the game but he got 38 9 and 9 being the obvious defensive focus without Porzingis and bum ankle in elimination game. And taking a beating. Never fails to impress at every point. Great leadership. |
Oh easily. Dirk really struggled his first couple of years in the league. |
That's the headline, which you know, Dallas newspaper, but there's more specific projection from Jerry about how great he'll be. For example,
"Magic and Kobe were in the conversation for the greatest players of their eras.
Can Luka rate the same?
“I think that’s a reach now,” West says. “He could certainly be in the top five.
“Ask me that question in two years and we’ll see.” |
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Doncic is a great all around player, but his constant whining and complaining (to the refs) bugs me, anyone else?
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