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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:07 pm    Post subject:

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Would you eat the Bulls Asik deal as part of a trade as well?


Only if Bamba is there at #7. Otherwise, no.

IMO, this is a 3 man draft at the top. Ayton, Bamba, Doncic. In that order for me. After that, guys like JJJ, Bagley, Bridges, Porer, Young, etc don't wow me enough. For Ayton- yup. For Bamba- yeah. For Doncic- Maybe but I don't think his ceiling is higher than Ingram's necessarily, it would more so be for the cap space that comes with it while not giving away an asset to do it.

For me, the prize has to be Bamba. That kid is going to be a more offensively inclined Rudy Gobert-- with crazy speed and range.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject:

Cavs need to rebuild

I would offer them all of our picks this year and next year, plus Deng, Bryant and etc to match salries for Hood And Bron. Win win for both teams
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject:

regardless of if we get Lebron/Durant/Kareem/Wilt, we have to keep our core of Ball, Hart, Ingram, Kuzma, Randle. these guys have ~10 years of playing at a high level ahead of them and will ensure we stay competitive for a long period of time. whatever pieces we add, these guys should stay
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:00 pm    Post subject:

Fortysixn2 wrote:
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Iíd LIKE us to keep

Ball
Hart
BI
Kuz

I donít really care about the rest. I think Randle has hit his ceiling, unless he adds a jumper and a 3 point shot there isnít much room for him to improve. Heís an average to slightly above average defender, a good rebounder and good offensely around the rim. maybe heís at his ceiling. We will see. I wouldnít be all that sad to see him go honestly, not a fan of his play style on either end. If LBJ doesnít come iíd probably still want us to be relieved of whatever salary he will fetch and give kuzma his minutes.



I would love to see Randle in the play offs. He would punish dudes1 But yeah he does need a jumper.


Playoffs teams typically are better then average defensively and do a lot of game planning. Randle canít shoot, so it would be pretty easy to shut him down. Look at Capela, who is basically a better version of randle. Against GS in 7 games he was 10 pt 10 rb guy which is fine. Randle would be a 8/8 guy at best in the playoffs, not even really starter material on a playoff team to be very honest (IMHO)


They're two very different players:

Julius Randle

Play Type....PPP....Poss....NBA %ile
Iso...............0.85.....1.3.....50th
Post.............0.89.....3.3.....55th

Roll man......1.16.....1.9.....68th
Transition....1.11.....3.1.....54th
Cut...............1.35.....1.5.....72nd
Spot up........0.90.....1.6.....35th
Putback.......1.25......1.6....79th

AST%:TOV%
15.8%:16.3% (0.969)

Clint Capela

Play Type....PPP....Poss....NBA %ile
Iso...............0.50.....0.3.......3rd
Post............0.63......0.4......10th
Roll man.....1.34......3.9.......91st
Transition...1.34......1.3.......90th

Cut..............1.25......3.2.......48th
Spot up.......1.00......0.1.......54th
Putback......1.11......1.7.......53rd

AST%:TOV%
5.7%:11.5% (0.495)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:03 pm    Post subject:

It's amazing that anyone would think Randle has already hit ceiling after the season he just had. Just amazing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject:

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There is no need to trade BI, and he will end the discussion of whether he's more valuable than Randle this season. Keep everyone if you can! If not, trade Randle with Deng.


That isnít a discussion
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
It's amazing that anyone would think Randle has already hit ceiling after the season he just had. Just amazing.

I actually agree with you. And of course you couldn't help throwing in a passive aggressive jab, but at least it's toward a poster who consistently misrepresents Randle's game and accomplishments (@Fortysix), so it's a bit more palatable.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject:

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James coming or not, a trade for WCS is what we need.

Okafor's a free agent. Why not just sign him for the minimum?


We could sign Zsa Zsa and maybe he would attract Klay
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject:

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James coming or not, a trade for WCS is what we need.

Okafor's a free agent. Why not just sign him for the minimum?


We could sign Zsa Zsa and maybe he would attract Klay

Zsa Zsa is dead.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject:

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Would you eat the Bulls Asik deal as part of a trade as well?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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James coming or not, a trade for WCS is what we need.

Okafor's a free agent. Why not just sign him for the minimum?


We could sign Zsa Zsa and maybe he would attract Klay


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:35 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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It's amazing that anyone would think Randle has already hit ceiling after the season he just had. Just amazing.

I actually agree with you. And of course you couldn't help throwing in a passive aggressive jab, but at least it's toward a poster who consistently misrepresents Randle's game and accomplishments (@Fortysix), so it's a bit more palatable.

I should seriously reconsider my position on it then

And I really appreciate that critique. I almost read your whole post that time instead of scrolling right by it like I usually do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:46 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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There is no need to trade BI, and he will end the discussion of whether he's more valuable than Randle this season. Keep everyone if you can! If not, trade Randle with Deng.


That isnít a discussion


Ingram is still more valuable to the Lakers future then Randle any way you put it
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject:

I'm obviously keeping BI and Zo.

I try to keep Hart, Randle and Kuzma but they'd be available/gone depending on the circumstances.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:53 pm    Post subject:

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Bulls 7 for Ingram and Deng is much more realistic - I agree.

I think I take that deal tbh.


I'd much rather do Ball and Deng for Dunn or some variation of that trade.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:54 pm    Post subject:

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Lonzo, Randle and Kuz are at the top of the list for me because they would really complement Lebron and PG13 well. I'd love to hold onto Hart as well. I love how much BI improved this past season, but he's the most expendable to me because he replicates much of what Lebron and PG13 already do at a higher level.


Are you making a decision on year 1 or next 5-7 years?

If you are trying to have a championship window that extends as Lebron ages, you keep Ingram over Lonzo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
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Bulls 7 for Ingram and Deng is much more realistic - I agree.

I think I take that deal tbh.


I'd much rather do Ball and Deng for Dunn or some variation of that trade.

You'd rather have Dunn instead of Lonzo?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Bulls 7 for Ingram and Deng is much more realistic - I agree.

I think I take that deal tbh.


I'd much rather do Ball and Deng for Dunn or some variation of that trade.

Woof. So you're setting Ball's value as below that of Kris Dunn?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject:

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It's amazing that anyone would think Randle has already hit ceiling after the season he just had. Just amazing.

I actually agree with you. And of course you couldn't help throwing in a passive aggressive jab, but at least it's toward a poster who consistently misrepresents Randle's game and accomplishments (@Fortysix), so it's a bit more palatable.

I should seriously reconsider my position on it then

And I really appreciate that critique. I almost read your whole post that time instead of scrolling right by it like I usually do.

We are two of the most annoying posters on LG.com. If we didn't scroll past one another's posts on the regular, we'd probably open a rift in the space time continuum.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:08 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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PHILosophize wrote:
Bulls 7 for Ingram and Deng is much more realistic - I agree.

I think I take that deal tbh.


I'd much rather do Ball and Deng for Dunn or some variation of that trade.

Woof. So you're setting Ball's value as below that of Kris Dunn?


No. It is the same logic as the Ingram for #7 trade.

I wouldn't trade Ingram for #7. I wouldn't trade for Ball for Dunn.

But if you're constructing a trade to dump Deng and get something back, I am trading Ball before Ingram and that trade makes more sense for both the Lakers and Chicago.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
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PHILosophize wrote:
Bulls 7 for Ingram and Deng is much more realistic - I agree.

I think I take that deal tbh.


I'd much rather do Ball and Deng for Dunn or some variation of that trade.

Woof. So you're setting Ball's value as below that of Kris Dunn?


No. It is the same logic as the Ingram for #7 trade.

I wouldn't trade Ingram for #7. I wouldn't trade for Ball for Dunn.

But if you're constructing a trade to dump Deng and get something back, I am trading Ball before Ingram and that trade makes more sense for both the Lakers and Chicago.

My post was poorly phrased, my bad. I would seriously think about it for #7 and Deng going out, but Dunn is merely meh with little upside at age 24.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:16 pm    Post subject:

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James coming or not, a trade for WCS is what we need.

Okafor's a free agent. Why not just sign him for the minimum?


We need a C with size that can switch onto guards, finish around the basket(bonus lob target) and do something offensively when given a favorable matchup. If you're going to have good defensive wings/guards, why ruin the whole thing with an immobile Center?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject:

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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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James coming or not, a trade for WCS is what we need.

Okafor's a free agent. Why not just sign him for the minimum?


We need a C with size that can switch onto guards, finish around the basket(bonus lob target) and do something offensively when given a favorable matchup. If you're going to have good defensive wings/guards, why ruin the whole thing with an immobile Center?

Yes, why do that. Why would anyone ever choose Okafor?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:20 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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It's amazing that anyone would think Randle has already hit ceiling after the season he just had. Just amazing.

I actually agree with you. And of course you couldn't help throwing in a passive aggressive jab, but at least it's toward a poster who consistently misrepresents Randle's game and accomplishments (@Fortysix), so it's a bit more palatable.


Yeah I donít mind, people here get very defensive about the players they like. I mean in the Randle thread the sentiment is that he is better than Draymond Green last time I checked. I donít think heís bad, but heís also not very good...Capela > Randle = Portis in my eyes.

And yeah, heís near his ceiling unless he learns to shoot. Say what you want, heís just another guy whose production is amplified by our general lack of talent (like Clarkson).

Eventually Iíll be proven right...or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
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Lonzo, Randle and Kuz are at the top of the list for me because they would really complement Lebron and PG13 well. I'd love to hold onto Hart as well. I love how much BI improved this past season, but he's the most expendable to me because he replicates much of what Lebron and PG13 already do at a higher level.


Are you making a decision on year 1 or next 5-7 years?

If you are trying to have a championship window that extends as Lebron ages, you keep Ingram over Lonzo.


I think that the decision needs to be made for the next 3 years, we will be lucky to get that much from Lebron.
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