I can't wait to see how much that "talent" wins next season without him.
How many games would the 08 Lakers have won without Kobe?
Probably not bottom 3 in the entire NBA which is what that Cavs team is without Lebron.
Keep in mind that essentially the same team before they added Pau Gasol, Kobe had to average 35 a night just to get them to the playoffs. They added Gasol to that team and Kobe was able to take them to 3 straight finals. You remove Kobe and just have Pau Gasol, they don't make the playoffs and are probably a bottom 5 team in the West. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
I can't wait to see how much that "talent" wins next season without him.
Kevin Love's last season in Minny he won 40 games in the West. In the East Cavs would still be in the playoff hunt (8-10 seed) without Lebron.
Have you seen how slow Kevin Love is now?
I'm watching Kevin Love put up 21/12 in the Finals and look just like Minnesota Kevin Love last night putting up 20/13/3 on 46% from the field and 43% from three and no one give him any credit whatsoever and still treating him like a scrub cause they don't want to blame LeBron.
Lebron has never received any real criticism his entire career because of the media.
he received plenty back when he was crap/scared in the clutch
Use the search tool. I could post a list of articles to disprove that claim. Hell, use the filter “Chris Broussard” and read the trash that he published and the agenda that he pushed on ESPiN or for that “clutch” argument, search “Henry Abbott” and so forth.
“Other than Lebron, there isn’t a player on the Cavs that cracks [the Warriors] rotation.” - Nick Wright
That show aired when the Warriors were starting Kevon Looney .
The media.
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I can't wait to see how much that "talent" wins next season without him.
Kevin Love's last season in Minny he won 40 games in the West. In the East Cavs would still be in the playoff hunt (8-10 seed) without Lebron.
Have you seen how slow Kevin Love is now?
He's just as good now as he was in Minnesota. Lebron just plays Bron ball and relegates guys like Love to spot up shooters.
Essentially what Chris Bosh tried to warn Love about.
Chris Bosh, 24/11 on 51% from the field and 36% from three before he went to Miami and was treated like the weakest link/third wheel on that team.
The truth of the matter is, LeBron wants the lane, all day every day, and if you play with him you're relegated to standing in a corner and waiting and thus having to be a perimeter player near full time.
LeBron doesn' tmaximize what you do, he just minimizes your role to "wait till I throw you the ball in the corner after I pound the ball and eventually get into the lane" and their play and efficiency diminishes.
Let's not forget, after LeBron left Cleveland again, because the tragic situation with Chris Bosh's body situation, he suddenly was back to being a 20/10 guy and looking like he looked in Toronto.
It's not a coincidence.
So all those efficient, beautiful takes to the basket we love watching Ingram get as he's fully gaining the confidence to finish and take anyone to the basket? Get ready to say goodbye to all of that if LeBron ever came here and prepare to watch Ingram stand in a corner for 90% of the game waiting to be passed to. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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This isn't what Kobe was doing since he was just answering a reporter's question, but using the Smush/Kwame team as a barometer to prove that Lebron's current squad isn't that weak is such a fallacious argument. Purely judging this roster against the Finals teams of past (or even Conference Finals for that matter), it's (bleep) weak all around. The only reason they got this far is because the rest of the East was equally weak. People want so badly to either tear Lebron down or prop him up that we're hearing all sorts of stupid arguments at both extremes, but in reality it's somewhere in between. He HAS been historically great this playoff run, and his teammates are NOT that bad. But the weak conference is probably the biggest reason such a crappy overall team is in the Finals.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:26 am Post subject:
The Juggernaut wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
I can't wait to see how much that "talent" wins next season without him.
Kevin Love's last season in Minny he won 40 games in the West. In the East Cavs would still be in the playoff hunt (8-10 seed) without Lebron.
Have you seen how slow Kevin Love is now?
He's just as good now as he was in Minnesota. Lebron just plays Bron ball and relegates guys like Love to spot up shooters.
This is just not true. They post up Love all the time.
No they don't. Bron also marginalized Bosh to a spot up shooter in Miami.
It's called being the third option with another ball dominant wing player. Is it truly that hard to grasp, or are you just having fun tossing around cheapshots?
Anyway, Love has posted up more than Anthony Davis in these playoffs.
Did anyone say when we swept the Nets and beat the 76ers in 5 "Well Kobe and Shaq don't deserve this 2nd or 3rd ring, because the Nets/76ers were just so vastly inferior... the only credit they deserve really is beating the Pacers."
How would we all have reacted if ESPN started trying to do that to us?
Only LeBron gets this treatment, and ESPN does it intentionally to protect him and diminish any other team that defeats him. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Do we really need more Kobe/Lebron threads in the Lounge? We know who's gonna win here, this is pointless and the same arguments on both sides will be regurgitated.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:30 am Post subject:
TheBlackMamba wrote:
Do we really need more Kobe/Lebron threads in the Lounge? We know who's gonna win here, this is pointless and the same arguments on both sides will be regurgitated.
When he becomes a Laker I wonder if we'll still hear this crap.
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Kobe Bryant doesn't buy the "LeBron has no help" excuses
MJST wrote:
Kobe Bryant Says LeBron Has Talent Around Him:
"It seems like he has some good talent to me. He's got Kyle Korver who's a great shooter, J.R. Smith who has always been a solid player -- we focus on his one mistake and that tends to overshadow all the things he's done to help them win a championship before --you've got Kevin Love, who was an All-Star and an Olympian, you've got Tristan Thompson who is back to playing like he played a few years ago.
--Jordan Clarkson has a lot of talent and potential, I’ve played with him and know what he can do. Rodney Hood was a 17-point-per-game scorer in the West, so I’m supposed to believe he can’t play all of a sudden?
It’s just a matter of what the team chemistry is and the team dynamics are. --
He's got some workable pieces there.
I don't understand how, in order to talk about how great LeBron is we need to [expletive] on everybody else. That's not O.K. Those guys have talent. I don't buy this whole thing that he's playing with a bunch of garbage."
I agree with Kobe. The media and fans alike always throw LeBron a bone with the talent crap. There are some solid players there. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Do we really need more Kobe/Lebron threads in the Lounge? We know who's gonna win here, this is pointless and the same arguments on both sides will be regurgitated.
When he becomes a Laker I wonder if we'll still hear this crap.
When he goes to Philly, a lot of fans that are praising him because they want him to be a Laker will go back to feeling the way about him the way they felt before he was on the verge of becoming a Free Agent. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
You’re arguing that he has no help, but also that prime Chris Bosh and prime Kevin Love were his third options. .
Love is his third option this season?
This season Love is the second option. I think the reference is to when Irving was second and Love third options... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
LeBron has had Kevin Love and Chris Bosh as the 3rd best player on his teams yet people go on about he had ho help when he was getting blasted. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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