Jordan Clarkson's Struggles Making It Painfully Clear Lakers Won IT Trade
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject:

So the cost of shedding JC's contract and a Late 1st was Larry? Sounds like we were on the better end of the deal.
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I donít miss Clarkson and that salary, I do however miss Larry Nance. I think he really helped our defense. Unfortunately his next contract would have destroyed any value he had moving forward and the fact that he hasnít developed a shot yet is a huge blow to his potential moving forward. I see Nance getting a contract a la Dwight Powell.


I don't see a Dwight Powell pattern or direction developing. One's purely a Four, a face-up shooter-scorer who avoids contact and the other is a physical specimen with hops, no position and poor shooting skill. Their post-rook contracts could end up weighing about the same, but I doubt it goes that way. $10M for Larry in 2019-2020 would seem to require his becoming a far bigger contributor than he's been so far.


The only reason I think Nance wouldnít get a contract at that price is if he gets hit with injury, which he has been prone to in the past.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:50 pm    Post subject:

Nice article, Emplay.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject:

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We gave Larry Nance away for the 25th pick. Thatís a bad trade in my book. This LeBron pipe dream caused the Lakers to trade away a perfect complementary player: works hard, freakish athlete, plays defense, scores efficiently.
...and who in the playoffs was a DNP-CD in two games and in four other games played less than eight minutes. Nance is a fabulous player for what he does--and deserves to be a fan favorite--but he didn't exactly set the playoffs on fire.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:26 am    Post subject:

The only thing blatantly obvious to me is the Cleveland Cavs front office made a lot of blunders in player management and coaching. That goes back to the top. Dan Gilbert. Nough said.

And...how Ty Lue justifies playing a 36-37 year old (barely can shoot /zero defense) Kyle Korver over Jordan Clarkson says it all to me. I have defended Lue in the past for being put into an unfair situation because of incompetent ownership but I cannot defend him on this one.

There's no doubt in my mind that Jordan Clarkson should have been on the floor considering Lebron James had little to no offensive help....plus you had JR Smith out there giving you his typical out of body performance.

The Lakers won this trade because it cleared a lot of needed cap space but Clarkson's troubles have a lot to do with the incompetence of the Cavs organization.

As for Larry Nance, seeing him with the Cavs -- should have finally put to bed any notion he is good as Randle. I remember when that was a conversation around here. People going on and on about how much they preferred Nance on the court to Randle. Nance will be productive on the Cavs or any other team in his NBA career. However, I will not miss his nonchalant attitude, subpar mid range shot, and suspect defense.

He obviously fares better in an open system like LA. However, his game is limited and attitude/mindset leaves a lot to be desired.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:57 am    Post subject:

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We gave Larry Nance away for the 25th pick. Thatís a bad trade in my book. This LeBron pipe dream caused the Lakers to trade away a perfect complementary player: works hard, freakish athlete, plays defense, scores efficiently.
...and who in the playoffs was a DNP-CD in two games and in four other games played less than eight minutes. Nance is a fabulous player for what he does--and deserves to be a fan favorite--but he didn't exactly set the playoffs on fire.


Nance is overrated defensively. He was always a step slow when being switched on the perimeter. His minutes took away minutes from Randle (better player) and took away minutes from kuzma so it would have hindered his growth.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject:

Nance doesn't contain guards well and that's really where the NBA is right now especially on the elite level
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject:

70sdude wrote:
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I donít miss Clarkson and that salary, I do however miss Larry Nance. I think he really helped our defense. Unfortunately his next contract would have destroyed any value he had moving forward and the fact that he hasnít developed a shot yet is a huge blow to his potential moving forward. I see Nance getting a contract a la Dwight Powell.


I don't see a Dwight Powell pattern or direction developing. One's purely a Four, a face-up shooter-scorer who avoids contact and the other is a physical specimen with hops, no position and poor shooting skill. Their post-rook contracts could end up weighing about the same, but I doubt it goes that way. $10M for Larry in 2019-2020 would seem to require his becoming a far bigger contributor than he's been so far.


Iím not comparing their game or playing style. Just the contract I think Nance will get.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject:

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The only thing blatantly obvious to me is the Cleveland Cavs front office made a lot of blunders in player management and coaching. That goes back to the top. Dan Gilbert. Nough said.

And...how Ty Lue justifies playing a 36-37 year old (barely can shoot /zero defense) Kyle Korver over Jordan Clarkson says it all to me. I have defended Lue in the past for being put into an unfair situation because of incompetent ownership but I cannot defend him on this one.

There's no doubt in my mind that Jordan Clarkson should have been on the floor considering Lebron James had little to no offensive help....plus you had JR Smith out there giving you his typical out of body performance. .


I don't think it mattered. Jordan shot 3 for 13 in the finals, and Korver shot 1 for 16. Outside of Lebron, their team shot about 38% from the field and 28% from the 3-point line so everyone they rolled out sucked.

Jordan had sucked since the playoffs began, while Korver played well in the earlier rounds, so I can't blame Lue for going with him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject:

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So the cost of shedding JC's contract and a Late 1st was Larry? Sounds like we were on the better end of the deal.


We won the trade, but the Cavs didn't lose much on it. They gave up a low draft pick and the Clarkson won't affect their rebuilding. It was a reasonable throw of the dice given their position.
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I know they're written by different people, but it's striking how often the headline for your articles don't really match the tone or focus of the articles.


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This is one aspect of writing for an online audience, or any audience, that I've always despised. But I guess the editors know what sells...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject:

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So the cost of shedding JC's contract and a Late 1st was Larry? Sounds like we were on the better end of the deal.


We won the trade, but the Cavs didn't lose much on it. They gave up a low draft pick and the Clarkson won't affect their rebuilding. It was a reasonable throw of the dice given their position.

Honestly Nance was good for the Cavs and worth a late 1st.
They lost some cap space with Clarkson but it's not the end of the world. He's not worth $12M on a contender but on a bad team like the Lakers were or the Cavs will be, he'll have his value.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:18 pm    Post subject:

It's really amazing to consider how much JC has regressed since his rookie year. We had so much hope for him. Hopefully he can get that back.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:44 pm    Post subject:

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It's really amazing to consider how much JC has regressed since his rookie year. We had so much hope for him. Hopefully he can get that back.


He really hasn't regressed, as much as he hasn't improved. On a 36-min basis, his performance has been virtually identical each of his first four years
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It's really amazing to consider how much JC has regressed since his rookie year. We had so much hope for him. Hopefully he can get that back.


He really hasn't regressed, as much as he hasn't improved. On a 36-min basis, his performance has been virtually identical each of his first four years


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:01 pm    Post subject:

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Yes, 20 games of IT was super duper.


surely, add the fact that the Cavs made a push and saved their season after that trade, makes this thread feel like that odd place where people in denial hangout to provide assurances for each other. LOL.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject:

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Yes, 20 games of IT was super duper.


surely, add the fact that the Cavs made a push and saved their season after that trade, makes this thread feel like that odd place where people in denial hangout to provide assurances for each other. LOL.


Oh the irony.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:37 am    Post subject:

LakersRGolden wrote:
So the cost of shedding JC's contract and a Late 1st was Larry? Sounds like we were on the better end of the deal.


I donít think thatís even debatable at this point. Maginka have exceeded expectations SO FAR. Now this will be their playoffs over the next month.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:22 pm    Post subject:

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Yes, 20 games of IT was super duper.


You know full damn well those 20 games aren't why this was a win for the PnG. Keep on keepin' on.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:15 am    Post subject:

jonnybravo wrote:
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Yes, 20 games of IT was super duper.


You know full damn well those 20 games aren't why this was a win for the PnG. Keep on keepin' on.
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mhan00 wrote:
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Yes, 20 games of IT was super duper.


You know full damn well those 20 games aren't why this was a win for the PnG. Keep on keepin' on.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:56 am    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
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jonnybravo wrote:
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Yes, 20 games of IT was super duper.


You know full damn well those 20 games aren't why this was a win for the PnG. Keep on keepin' on.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:31 pm    Post subject:

wasn't an 'IT' trade ... it was a salary dump with and ending contract and draft pick in return
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject:

Donít really miss either player on the court. Good trade
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:51 pm    Post subject:

Didn't someone likened JC's game to someone who doesn't know the score?

The Cavs a few of those apparently
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