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Polarbear
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:36 pm Post subject:

adkindo wrote:

Polarbear wrote:

People crapping on Moe for the sake of a player drafted by some other team

I have to laugh

Moe has been excellent in Summer Pro League and is going to get stronger

Be happy with what you have and stop looking at someone elses grass

laugh until your blue in the face....did not think highly of his ability before the draft, and still think his ceiling is extremely low. If everything goes right for him, he is likely a career rotation player....not the kind of player I am seeking in the 1st Round. Mitchell Robinson, Robert Williams, and De'Anthony Melton all had lottery level talent....and are showing it in summer league. We could have had 2 of those players.

I will take the evaluation of the scouts that got us Ball, Kuzma, and Hart

You dont have a fricken clue how these players will end up.....

As it stands now.....we drafted a big who can shoot from anywhere.....plays hard every time he is on the quart.......who is only going to get better and looks pretty good right now.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:41 pm Post subject:

KAJtheGOAT wrote:

Missed Robinson missed Melton, what’s up with the scouts

Robinson I could understand as he really wasn't a miss because he was drafted ahead of each of their two 2nd round picks. And the entire league thought he was too big a risk for guaranteed money as a first rounder.

Melton however, really really hurts. He'd shown enough in his single year at USC as an 18 year old to show that he was the real deal, and was exceptional value anywhere in the 2nd half of the first round and a stupid steal in the 2nd round. Passed the eye test, and where he really excelled was in the analytics. That we valued him below Bonga and Svi was a big miss! As much as I like Svi, he doesn't bring what Melton brings to the table!

To think that we really could have drafted Mo, Svi, and Melton really stings.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:42 pm Post subject:

Polarbear wrote:

adkindo wrote:

Polarbear wrote:

judging from your response, I agree that you are probably best served trusting others with the decisions....the ones with a "fricken clue".

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:43 pm Post subject:

The God Particle wrote:

fwiw, I do not think any other team in the league was going to give Wagner guaranteed money.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:47 pm Post subject:

After what I’ve seen from Robinson and Wagner, I’d take Wagner still. He has a more complete game and his floor spacing is so important for the Lakers. He reminds me a bit of Lauri.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject:

adkindo wrote:

The God Particle wrote:

fwiw, I do not think any other team in the league was going to give Wagner guaranteed money.

I'd put money (for obvious reasons) that Boston would have drafted Wagner if we didn't. Additionally, I think Wagner was a steal at 25, and I personally think he's showing very well in summer league and was very much worthy of an earlier pick.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:57 pm Post subject:

The God Particle wrote:

adkindo wrote:

The God Particle wrote:

fwiw, I do not think any other team in the league was going to give Wagner guaranteed money.

could not disagree more....he is shooting under 30% from 3....he has some talent, none at the level that will make an impact in the NBA in my opinion. There will be at least 5 players taken after him that will have more impact in the NBA.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject:

NBALakerLegends wrote:

After what I’ve seen from Robinson and Wagner, I’d take Wagner still. He has a more complete game and his floor spacing is so important for the Lakers. He reminds me a bit of Lauri.

Right. Wagner offers more modern-day NBA skill sets. He can play both the 4 and the 5 (especially once he gets stronger), he can handle the ball/create his own offense and he can shoot the 3. That's what you want from a modern NBA big. His ceiling is a better defending Kevin Love or Mehmet Okur.

Robinson, at his best, is another Clint Capela. That's great if he ever gets there, but that player isn't as valuable as what Wagner could potentially offer. Ten years ago, you take a Capela over an Okur, but not today.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:02 pm Post subject:

adkindo wrote:

The God Particle wrote:

adkindo wrote:

The God Particle wrote:

fwiw, I do not think any other team in the league was going to give Wagner guaranteed money.

I completely understand why you think that. I think we disagree on what skills we believe are going to translate and what's going to create advantages for us.

I think his shooting will translate. And he's a much better playmaker and passer than I had anticipated. Both of which I think are going to translate. I think he has a very good chance of being a 90 cents on the dollar Jocic.

I didn't have him rated in the first round either, but I think that was a miss on my part. I think he's going to show to be steal.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:04 pm Post subject:

Funny how Knox is getting hype when he did all of his damage in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, after Mo went down and before Hart starting guarding him. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service Twitter: @DeleteThisPost

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:09 pm Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:

Funny how Knox is getting hype when he did all of his damage in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, after Mo went down and before Hart starting guarding him.

Deservedly so! He's showing (to me) that he's going to be an elite, triple threat scorer. He has a very good handle for his size, has shake, has a shot, good body control and what I'm really loving is his ability to get to the line.

And I think he's doing all of this as the youngest player in the summer league!

He's everything (and then some) that the highly touted MPJ was supposed to be.

A+ draft for the Knicks.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:11 pm Post subject:

adkindo wrote:

Polarbear wrote:

adkindo wrote:

Polarbear wrote:

judging from your response, I agree that you are probably best served trusting others with the decisions....the ones with a "fricken clue".

I do....they just dont include you....sorry

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject:

Game Recap: Lakers 109, Knicks 92

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The Los Angeles Lakers defeated the New York Knicks 109-92 in the Las Vegas Summer League at Cox Pavilion on Tuesday.

Defense was key for Los Angeles, recording nine steals while winning the turnover differential, 18-11. Getting to the free-throw line was also huge for the Lakers, as they went 27-of-36 from the charity stripe.
The Lakers (3-0) got a gem out of Josh Hart, who tallied 27 points, six rebounds, three assists and three steals.

The Knicks (1-2) were led by first-round pick Kevin Knox. The 6-foot-9 forward collected a game-high 29 points, to go along with nine rebounds and two assists.

http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/LALNYK#/sl-recap

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject:

SUMMER LEAGUE STATS: Points Leaders John Collins ATL- 24.0 Josh Hart LAL - 23.3 Kevin Knox NYK - 23.3 Malik Monk CHA - 23.0 Trevon Bluiett NOP - 21.0

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:38 pm Post subject:

July 12th, 5:30PM PST:

We will play the winner of the Clippers vs. Washington (July 11th, Game 46). The winner of the game on July 12 enters the quarterfinals.

Full schedule pasted below (all times in PST):

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Wednesday, July 11

Cox Pavilion

LA Clippers vs. Washington (Game 46) – 1 pm

Brooklyn vs. Houston (Game 49) - 3 pm

Detroit vs. Minnesota (Game 50) – 5 pm

Toronto vs. Denver (Game 52) – 7 pm

Thomas & Mack

Sacramento vs. Cleveland (Game 47) - 1:30 pm

Chicago vs. Dallas (Game 48) – 3:30 pm

Atlanta vs. Indiana (Game 51) - 5:30 pm

Golden State vs. Charlotte (Game 53) – 7:30 pm

Thursday, July 12

Cox Pavilion

Miami vs. New Orleans (Game 55) – 1 pm

Memphis vs. Oklahoma City (Game 57) - 3 pm

San Antonio vs. Milwaukee (Game 58) – 5 pm

Utah vs. Orlando (Game 60) – 7 pm

Thomas & Mack

New York vs. Boston (Game 54) – 1:30 pm

Philadelphia vs. Phoenix (Game 56) – 3:30 pm

Winner of Game 46 vs. LA Lakers (Game 59)– 5:30 pm

Winner of Game 51 vs. Portland (Game 61) – 7:30 pm

Friday, July 13

Cox Pavilion

Loser of Game 49 vs. Loser of Game 51 (Game 62) – 1 pm

Loser of Game 46 vs. Loser of Game 48 (Game 64) – 3 pm

Loser of Game 50 vs. Loser of Game 52 (Game 66) – 5 pm

Loser of Game 53 vs. Loser of Game 47 (Game 68) – 7pm

Thomas & Mack

Loser of Game 54 vs Loser of Game 55 (Game 63) – 1:30 pm

Loser of Game 56 vs. Loser of Game 58 (Game 65) – 3:30 pm

Loser of Game 60 vs. Loser of Game 57 (Game 67) – 5:30 pm

Loser of Game 59 vs. Loser of Game 61 (Game 69) – 7:30 pm

Saturday, July 14

Cox Pavilion

Winner of Game 48 vs. Winner of Game 50 (Game 70) – 4 pm

Winner of Game 52 vs. Winner of Game 53 (Game 72) – 6 pm

Thomas & Mack

Winner of Game 47 vs. Winner of Game 49 (Game 71) – 1:30 pm

Winner of Game 54 vs. Winner of Game 55 (Game 73) – 3:30 pm

Winner of Game 56 vs. Winner of Game 58 (Game 74) – 5:30 pm

Winner of Game 60 vs. Winner of Game 57 (Game 75) – 7:30 pm

Sunday, July 15 - Quarterfinals

Thomas & Mack

Winner of Game 59 vs. Winner of Game 70 (Game 76) – 1 pm

Winner of Game 72 vs. Winner of Game 71 (Game 77) – 3 pm

Winner of Game 61 vs. Winner of Game 73 (Game 78) – 5 pm

Winner of Game 74 vs. Winner of Game 75 (Game 79) – 7 pm

Monday, July 16 – Semifinals

Thomas & Mack

Winner of Game 76 vs. Winner of Game 77 (Game 80) – 5:30 pm

Winner of Game 78 vs. Winner of Game 79 (Game 81) – 7:30 pm

Tuesday, July 17 – Championship

Thomas & Mack

Winner of Game 80 vs. Winner of Game 81 (Game 82) – 7 pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:40 pm Post subject:

pio2u wrote:

SUMMER LEAGUE STATS: Points Leaders

John Collins ATL- 24.0
Josh Hart LAL - 23.3
Kevin Knox NYK - 23.3
Malik Monk CHA - 23.0
Trevon Bluiett NOP - 21.0

Lakers are 3-0

CHA & NOP are 2-1

ATL & NYK are 1-2

assuming voters factor scoring & win record highly when deciding Summer League MVP... Josh Hart has a great shot at it

HAM
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:42 pm Post subject:

cmonkee wrote:

pio2u wrote:

SUMMER LEAGUE STATS: Points Leaders

John Collins ATL- 24.0
Josh Hart LAL - 23.3
Kevin Knox NYK - 23.3
Malik Monk CHA - 23.0
Trevon Bluiett NOP - 21.0

Lakers are 3-0

CHA & NOP are 2-1

ATL & NYK are 1-2

assuming voters factor scoring & win record highly when deciding Summer League MVP... Josh Hart has a great shot at it

The more we win the more of a chance he has.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:45 pm Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:

NBALakerLegends wrote:

After what I’ve seen from Robinson and Wagner, I’d take Wagner still. He has a more complete game and his floor spacing is so important for the Lakers. He reminds me a bit of Lauri.

Robinson offers more offensive potential than Capela. How he handled himself pre-draft is what concerns me. That no other team was willing to risk a 1st on him was telling..

Williams is the antithesis of a modern NBA center. Cannot shoot and sub 50% free throw shooter. Obviously there was some issue with him to cause his fall. His post draft actions reinforce this.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:50 pm Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:

Funny how Knox is getting hype when he did all of his damage in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, after Mo went down and before Hart starting guarding him.

Knox reminds me so much of Rudy Gay both physically and game.

Was not a big fan of his in the draft but he will be a good NBA player. Not sure if he fits at SF or PF but he is skilled.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:51 pm Post subject:

HAM wrote:

cmonkee wrote:

pio2u wrote:

SUMMER LEAGUE STATS: Points Leaders

John Collins ATL- 24.0
Josh Hart LAL - 23.3
Kevin Knox NYK - 23.3
Malik Monk CHA - 23.0
Trevon Bluiett NOP - 21.0

Lakers are 3-0

CHA & NOP are 2-1

ATL & NYK are 1-2

assuming voters factor scoring & win record highly when deciding Summer League MVP... Josh Hart has a great shot at it

The more we win the more of a chance he has.

Doesn't the MVP usually come from the winning team?

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject:

I saw that Trae got hype for making 7 three's...I honestly wasnt too impressed. Very volume at 37% shooting. Has a lot of trouble getting and finishing in the paint. Going to be ugly when he faces real pros.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:08 pm Post subject:

The one thing I will say about Robinson. Yes, we missed on him. So what? We got Hart and Kuzma at the end of the 1st round; also, Svi looks like he'll be really good. If we end up with a great 3-point shooter who can also defend, I'd gladly throw away the other two picks. No matter what you do, you cannot get EVERY pick correct. Even the best scouts cannot do this. Just be happy about the ones that you do get right.

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:11 pm Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:

NBALakerLegends wrote:

After what I’ve seen from Robinson and Wagner, I’d take Wagner still. He has a more complete game and his floor spacing is so important for the Lakers. He reminds me a bit of Lauri.

I don't know. I was SUPER skeptical about Robinson in regards to his intangibles, but he does certain instinctive things on the floor, that keep him on the floor. He has poor fundamentals on both ends and doesn't even carry the strength to set strong screens, but that level of length, twitch, and slight nose around the basketball is unparalleled.

It took me awhile to like Wagner, only because I knew how awful his Defensive Synergy was. I was specifically principled on how wings and guards are the way of the league, defense keeps guys on the floor, and that Wagner needed to make a small leap defensively just to be passable at the NBA level.

It appears he made that small leap within a week.

But at the same time, I think Melton's play speaks for himself. What makes it most upsetting is how it could be Wagner, Melton, Svi, and everybody wins.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:13 pm Post subject:

PlantedTanks wrote:

HAM wrote:

cmonkee wrote:

pio2u wrote:

SUMMER LEAGUE STATS: Points Leaders

John Collins ATL- 24.0
Josh Hart LAL - 23.3
Kevin Knox NYK - 23.3
Malik Monk CHA - 23.0
Trevon Bluiett NOP - 21.0

Lakers are 3-0

CHA & NOP are 2-1

ATL & NYK are 1-2

assuming voters factor scoring & win record highly when deciding Summer League MVP... Josh Hart has a great shot at it

The more we win the more of a chance he has.

Doesn't the MVP usually come from the winning team?

not necessarily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Summer_League#Las_Vegas_MVP_winners

2013 Summer League Champs: GSW; Summer League MVP: Jonas Valanciunas (TOR)
2014 Summer League Champs: SAC; Summer League MVP: Glen Rice Jr. (WAS)
2015 Summer League Champs: SAS; Summer League MVP: Kyle Anderson (SAS)
2016 Summer League Champs: CHI; Summer League MVP: Tyus Jones (MIN)
2017 Summer League Champs: LAL; Summer League MVP: Lonzo Ball (LAL)

2/5 Summer League MVP's awarded to the championship team

PassTheBooze
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject:

Ayres showing exactly why you shouldn't take much from SL games

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