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GoldenThroat
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | I would trade Ingram and Ball for Kawhi before Kuzma so it isn't like I am attached to any of them.
Just saying, we can easily spin situations however we want. Did you hear Magic call Ingram untouchable? Have you heard Magic call Kuzma untouchable?
Do you remember Ramona saying the Lakers were unhappy with the diss track Kuzma released? Perhaps Kuzma needed an ode written about him because the previous two days of press highlighted immaturity and the Lakers needed to change the story.
We will never know who the FO values more because as you said, just because they trade Ingram or Ball before Kuzma, doesn't mean they value each less. |
Kuzma released a diss track?
Ding was working on that article well before the Lakers felt that their feud was becoming problematic.
Magic called Ingram untouchable, and then begged Lonzo to not break all of his assist records with the Lakers. Magic is gonna hype guys up in the press. What I'm talking about how these guys are talked about outside of the public comments to the press. They said plenty of positive things about D'Angelo Russell in the press as well, but the narrative around him outside of those settings was very different. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | If the assumption is that the Lakers get Lebron, Kawhi and PG13 then I would think Lonzo is the player you keep of the Kuz/Ingram/Ball trio.
There are other factors in play obviously, but Lonzo fits best imo if we are assuming we landed all 3 stars.
It’s still going to hurt to give up Kuz and Ingram if that’s how it goes down. People who don’t watch the Lakers don’t get how good these guys will be moving forward. |
Lonzo has Kendall Marshall level shooting and Lebron would have the ball in his hands. I would dump Lonzo and his crazy daddy. BI will be the most coveted by any team. |
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| Sago wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | Why tade away a piece when you can sign the FA outright ?
That makes no sence. |
If we get Pg and Lebron this year, Lakers won’t able to sign Kawhi next year unless he takes less money or Deng a lot of pieces are moved. |
He’s referring to Haynes saying Ball for LeBron. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Practice wrote: | | I see Kuzma as a role player and nothing more, so it’s weird to see the Lakers having that opinion. |
They also might be pushing this misdirection out there on purpose.
Some are falling for it, let’s hope SA does too. |
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leor_77
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| My only issue is the lack of value...Magic needs to convince Lebron to deal with him for a few months, up Lonzo's trade value, and then ship him out then. |
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trablos
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It's difficult for me to see the value in trading Lonzo this early, I mean he's literally only played 1 season and has shown great flashes of being the type of PG every team needs. He's a better fit with a couple all stars who need the ball to score, and he's the one who initiates our transition offense and sets the pace for us. Sure his scoring was god-awful but it's very reasonable to assume he won't be nowhere as bad going forward. Even if he's a league average 3pt shooter and develops his penetration, the guy will be a major problem ESPECIALLY if he's surrounded by other threats.
And we haven't even talked about his defense. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| leor_77 wrote: | | My only issue is the lack of value...Magic needs to convince Lebron to deal with him for a few months, up Lonzo's trade value, and then ship him out then. |
Ya. I think Lonzo's value will go up playing alongside stars. It's not a given. But it's a relatively safe bet.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Man, if we trade Lonzo, Magic turned on him quickly. |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| leor_77 wrote: | | My only issue is the lack of value...Magic needs to convince Lebron to deal with him for a few months, up Lonzo's trade value, and then ship him out then. |
Deal with him? How many rookies did LeBron go out of his way to wish a Happy Birthday this season? How many rookies was LeBron pulling aside to advise? How many rookies did he go out of his way to watch their Summer League game?
LeBron doesn't need any convincing about Lonzo. If he's who'd have to go out for Kawhi or Lillard, so be it, but Lonzo is a feature to LeBron, not a bug. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| 24ways2die wrote: | | Man, if we trade Lonzo, Magic turned on him quickly. |
And it's a sign that he blew the draft. Would be trading the 2 pick at a low value.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | leor_77 wrote: | | My only issue is the lack of value...Magic needs to convince Lebron to deal with him for a few months, up Lonzo's trade value, and then ship him out then. |
Deal with him? How many rookies did LeBron go out of his way to wish a Happy Birthday this season? How many rookies was LeBron pulling aside to advise? How many rookies did he go out of his way to watch their Summer League game?
LeBron doesn't need any convincing about Lonzo. If he's who'd have to go out for Kawhi or Lillard, so be it, but Lonzo is a feature to LeBron, not a bug. |
This guy codes lol |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Purp 32 wrote: | | It's Lavar's fault though. Calling Magic's bluff is idiotic. |
Magic making basketball decision based on Lavar would be idiotic. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:31 am Post subject: |
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I think Phoenix would still be interested in Lonzo Ball
What about Lonzo+Deng for the #16 pick? |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Purp 32 wrote: | | It's Lavar's fault though. Calling Magic's bluff is idiotic. |
Magic making basketball decision based on Lavar would be idiotic. |
Yup, if they were going to make basketball decisions based off Lavar, it should have been before the draft. Now is the wrong time.
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | leor_77 wrote: | | My only issue is the lack of value...Magic needs to convince Lebron to deal with him for a few months, up Lonzo's trade value, and then ship him out then. |
Deal with him? How many rookies did LeBron go out of his way to wish a Happy Birthday this season? How many rookies was LeBron pulling aside to advise? How many rookies did he go out of his way to watch their Summer League game?
LeBron doesn't need any convincing about Lonzo. If he's who'd have to go out for Kawhi or Lillard, so be it, but Lonzo is a feature to LeBron, not a bug. |
Lot of folk here transfer their bias to players rather than objectively looking at player's actions.
PG...if he wanted to be in OKC would have made that clear like KD.
LBJ has been very clear talking with Zo after each game with mouth covered...Zo is an attractive piece for him.
Personally I think KL is a pipe and Dame will cost more than we want to give...but we'll go through the motion to demonstrate to LBJ that we're willing to explore his wishes but also that we will make the final call on all moves.
What do you think GT?
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | First Dlo, now Lonzo |
DLO sucked and Lonzo is nothing great at this point. Missed 1/3 of the season, shoots horrible and spends his offseason making rap videos instead of working on his crappy shooting form and 45% free throw shooting.
I will bet you, he is not in the gym like some of the other guys and Magic is watching.... |
Because you can't do both of those in the same summer. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| hydrohead wrote: | I think Phoenix would still be interested in Lonzo Ball
What about Lonzo+Deng for the #16 pick? |
why are we trading former #2 pick for garbage? if its not to trade KL, keep all the guys. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| hydrohead wrote: | I think Phoenix would still be interested in Lonzo Ball
What about Lonzo+Deng for the #16 pick? |
This should be a popular idea.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | I think Phoenix would still be interested in Lonzo Ball
What about Lonzo+Deng for the #16 pick? |
why are we trading former #2 pick for garbage? if its not to trade KL, keep all the guys. |
I think hydrohead scenario is trade Ball for #16 then attach #16 and #25 with BI/Kuzma to Spurs for KL |
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| PG13 wrote: | | 24ways2die wrote: | | Man, if we trade Lonzo, Magic turned on him quickly. |
And it's a sign that he blew the draft. Would be trading the 2 pick at a low value. |
Should've went with his first gut instinct that Lonzo "wasn't that impressive." Daddy trolled Lonzo into being the #2 pick just like Trump trolled his way to the presidency. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | I think Phoenix would still be interested in Lonzo Ball
What about Lonzo+Deng for the #16 pick? |
why are we trading former #2 pick for garbage? if its not to trade KL, keep all the guys. |
I think hydrohead scenario is trade Ball for #16 then attach #16 and #25 with BI/Kuzma to Spurs for KL |
so blow up all the young guys to get KL.
i strongly disagree with that scenario then. u know the guy is expirer right? |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | I think Phoenix would still be interested in Lonzo Ball
What about Lonzo+Deng for the #16 pick? |
why are we trading former #2 pick for garbage? if its not to trade KL, keep all the guys. |
I think hydrohead scenario is trade Ball for #16 then attach #16 and #25 with BI/Kuzma to Spurs for KL |
so blow up all the young guys to get KL.
i strongly disagree with that scenario then. u know the guy is expirer right? |
You argue we want championships... you give to get what you want... |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | 24ways2die wrote: | | Man, if we trade Lonzo, Magic turned on him quickly. |
And it's a sign that he blew the draft. Would be trading the 2 pick at a low value. |
Should've went with his first gut instinct that Lonzo "wasn't that impressive." Daddy trolled Lonzo into being the #2 pick just like Trump trolled his way to the presidency. |
Tatum gets you KL with attaching Deng and you wouldn't have to give up anything else. The cost of that miss at 2 is going to be losing almost all of the young guys.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | I think Phoenix would still be interested in Lonzo Ball
What about Lonzo+Deng for the #16 pick? |
why are we trading former #2 pick for garbage? if its not to trade KL, keep all the guys. |
I think hydrohead scenario is trade Ball for #16 then attach #16 and #25 with BI/Kuzma to Spurs for KL |
so blow up all the young guys to get KL.
i strongly disagree with that scenario then. u know the guy is expirer right? |
You argue we want championships... you give to get what you want... |
yeah but i don't pay $100 for a $20 cheese burger |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:49 am Post subject: |
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its funny how Tatum is untouchable for boston to get KL but we are happily including all our young guys.
trade deng somewhere else and Spurs don't have any package better then BI/25th pick |
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