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 Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: How about Hedo Turkoglu in the same deal with Francis? |
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This guy is rock solid. Period. He's solid at everything but he's became quite a good scorer.
He's averaging 14.2 ppg in Orlando and that's better that any Laker not named Kobe.
If we deal for Francis, I'd really like to get this guy as well.
He's like a poor man's Odom but smarter and a better scorer.
Thoughts?
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Hedo would be real nice. What he lacks on defense, he makes up in offensive skill. I would assume the Magic keep him to team up with Howard and Darko. |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| We are not interested in Steve Francis |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I'd rather see if I could pry the rights to Fran Vasquez from the Magic in any Odom/Francis deal.
Vasquez sounds as though he might have the tools to perform well in the Triangle offense.
And even if he's not in the Laker's plan, he might represent a nice, cheap "throw-in" to any off-season deal to acquire more size. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: Re: How about Hedo Turkoglu in the same deal with Francis? |
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| 62 wrote: | This guy is rock solid. Period. He's solid at everything but he's became quite a good scorer.
He's averaging 14.2 ppg in Orlando and that's better that any Laker not named Kobe.
If we deal for Francis, I'd really like to get this guy as well.
He's like a poor man's Odom but smarter and a better scorer.
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That would be nice...they have any other F's that we could pick up with Francis to replace Odom with Luke and DG??? |
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Frankly IF this Francis thing were true - I would expect Turk in the deal to even it out - but I don't expect francis.
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THE GOODS
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| Forget trying to get Francis man...Lakers should be trying to work out a deal with Toronto to pry away Chris Bosh and some fillers man... |
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| THE GOODS wrote: | | Forget trying to get Francis man...Lakers should be trying to work out a deal with Toronto to pry away Chris Bosh and some fillers man... |
Remind us again why Toronto would be willing to give away the cornerstone of their franchise, an All-Star with great potential who is having a career season. For argument's sake, let's say that they are in fact shopping him. Who does L.A. have to offer? Certainly not that perennial underachiever in your avatar. :roll: |
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Turkey has a bad contract.
Only would make sense if were comfortable with havaing a core of Stevie + Kobe + Hedu?
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | We are not interested in Steve Francis |
according to the orlando sentinal we are
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| emplay wrote: | | Frankly IF this Francis thing were true - I would expect Turk in the deal to even it out - but I don't expect francis. |
I don't expect it, but this is the Lakers. This isn't the Clippers, this isn't even the Kings, we are talking about the Los Angeles Lakers. The Buss family are sick of losing. I believe they will force Jackon's and Kupchak's hands, and make the Odom for Francis deal happen.
Odom=No Heart.
Francis=All Heart.
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| thumpinghead wrote: | | emplay wrote: | | Frankly IF this Francis thing were true - I would expect Turk in the deal to even it out - but I don't expect francis. |
Odom=No Cancer.
Francis=All Cancer. |
adjusted for accuracy. |
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| thumpinghead wrote: | | emplay wrote: | | Frankly IF this Francis thing were true - I would expect Turk in the deal to even it out - but I don't expect francis. |
Odom=No Heart.
Francis=All Heart. |
LO=No heart, NO Passion, NON AGGRESSIVE, LOUSY O game, Avg. at best defender. Frequently disappears. Lousy decision maker.
Steve=Agressive. Wont spectate when Kobe has ball. Good defender. better handles. Passion. Shows up. Plays like he cares
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didnt Stevie get suspended cause he didnt want to go back in a game during the 4th? When did Stevie become a good defender? Thats news to me. Steve has also made alot of boneheaded plays in his career. Him and Odom are the same in terms of decision making.
Only advantage Stevie has is he can score a little bit more.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Didn't he completely choke in the 2004 playoffs against us? |
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| Why would we want Hedo? We have Cook who can do the same things he does at a cheaper rate. |
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| LAKERLVR wrote: | | Didn't he completely choke in the 2004 playoffs against us? |
No. He hit some big shots. Say what you want about his attitude, but his clutchness can't really be questioned. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| KobeButler wrote: | didnt Stevie get suspended cause he didnt want to go back in a game during the 4th? When did Stevie become a good defender? Thats news to me. Steve has also made alot of boneheaded plays in his career. Him and Odom are the same in terms of decision making.
Only advantage Stevie has is he can score a little bit more. |
I think Stevie didn't go back in to a game they were being blown out. Hey, Kobe didn't go back in to the game against the Mavs, even though PJ asked him if he wanted to...
Anyway, I agree with you in that there really is no clear reason to trade LO for Steve Francis. Both bring something to the table, i.e. scoring (Francis) or rebounding (Odom).
However, if you look at it this way, Francis could initiate the offense probably a little better than Odom, he's a PG for god sakes. Francis can score more and is an equal, if not better assist man. Odom's rebounding can be made up by the team collectively, if that's what it took. Nobody can just start scoring more. The team just doesn't have the right players to score. Thus...make the trade. |
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| Francis has some positive attributes but also has a lot of negatives to go with them. Does anybody really think Francis and Marbury could coexist? How more so can he Kobe exist then? Both demand the ball. Both put up relatively the same numbers. But both play the same way... with the rock in hand. I just don't see Kobe & Francis in the same backcourt. |
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| Sage_10 wrote: | | Francis has some positive attributes but also has a lot of negatives to go with them. Does anybody really think Francis and Marbury could coexist? How more so can he Kobe exist then? Both demand the ball. Both put up relatively the same numbers. But both play the same way... with the rock in hand. I just don't see Kobe & Francis in the same backcourt. |
Same numbers?! Kobe scores about 14 more points that Francis and Steve gets about 3-4 more assists a game that Kobe. While I don't think they would be the best backcourt ever, they would certainly be a handful. Steve can pass the ball when he needs to. He played well with Yao and took them to the playoffs. He could play well with Kobe, without demanding the ball. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | Sage_10 wrote: | | Francis has some positive attributes but also has a lot of negatives to go with them. Does anybody really think Francis and Marbury could coexist? How more so can he Kobe exist then? Both demand the ball. Both put up relatively the same numbers. But both play the same way... with the rock in hand. I just don't see Kobe & Francis in the same backcourt. |
Same numbers?! Kobe scores about 14 more points that Francis and Steve gets about 3-4 more assists a game that Kobe. While I don't think they would be the best backcourt ever, they would certainly be a handful. Steve can pass the ball when he needs to. He played well with Yao and took them to the playoffs. He could play well with Kobe, without demanding the ball. |
This season that isn't the case but Kobe is lumped into that class of players that post 20+ 5 and 5. Francis is capable and has posted season numbers like that. As far as him and Yao, if he was playing that well with Yao he wouldn't have been traded. He could play well with Kobe but who couldn't. I reiterate, I can't see him and Kobe coexisting. |
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Turkoglu is as bad a defender as Luke Walton.
Completely a one way player.
No thank you.
If I want to pay 6-7 milion for a tall SF - I would sign James Posey this summer with the Full 5 year MLE. |
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Turkeyglue is anything but rock solid.
And neither is Francis.
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| drzucchini wrote: | | LAKERLVR wrote: | | Didn't he completely choke in the 2004 playoffs against us? |
No. He hit some big shots. Say what you want about his attitude, but his clutchness can't really be questioned. |
WHAT??? HE has no clutchness. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | KobeButler wrote: | didnt Stevie get suspended cause he didnt want to go back in a game during the 4th? When did Stevie become a good defender? Thats news to me. Steve has also made alot of boneheaded plays in his career. Him and Odom are the same in terms of decision making.
Only advantage Stevie has is he can score a little bit more. |
I think Stevie didn't go back in to a game they were being blown out. Hey, Kobe didn't go back in to the game against the Mavs, even though PJ asked him if he wanted to...
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uhh theirs a big difference buddy. Lakers were winning by a large margin and Phil ASKED.
Magic's coach wanted Steve to come in and he didnt listen to his coach, in fact I belive he went back in the locker room. Then got suspended for it.
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