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Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | kawhileonard wrote: | I'm going to b***** a whole season that we traded DLO for nothing. |
Josh Hart isn't nothing, even though we botched the #42nd pick. Pairing DLO with Ball isn't a great idea unless you're opening an arthroscopy clinic. | Dlo Zo Bi Kuz and Randle is a nice young core but I digress. What's done is done. We just better not strike out. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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DocK36 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Time to explore dealing with Denver to absorp some of their bad contracts to get them under the luxury tax in exchange for some assets. _________________ Ringo "You retired too?"
Doc "Not me, I'm in my prime." |
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kawhileonard Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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DocK36 wrote: | Time to explore dealing with Denver to absorp some of their bad contracts to get them under the luxury tax in exchange for some assets. |
True that.
We could use that pick to draft Bol Bol or shaq's son |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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kawhileonard wrote: | is it time to make a tank thread? |
This is the tank thread. _________________ Under New Management |
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Showtime2009 Sixth Man
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Lakers strike out, and hopefully bring back KCP, IT and Lopez on one year deals to reload for 2019 and hope for one last time to 2 FA's of possibly Durant/Leonard/Thompson. Then trade Deng for a solid contributor or possibly with our young assets for another all star type.
Ball/Hart
Leonard/Ingram/Svi
Durant/Kuz
Randle
Lopez(signs for cheap), Zu, Wagner
Don't know what Leonard/Durant/Klay maxes will be
Lakers strike out again, then finally just accept that FA's no longer want to be a Laker and roll with our young guys |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:01 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | If we strike out this year in free agency, then the Lakers need to finally acknowledge what Jim and Mitch acknowledged the year they were fired. That we aren't 'players in free agency' just because we're the Lakers and in Los Angeles anymore.
And they need to start finally treating the youngsters that bust their tails like they actually have faith in them leading our team to a Championship one day instead of acting like they're really just delaying until some max free agent comes and rescues us. And finally start building around the young core as our main options going forward.
Because if they strike out completely in free agency, and then go into next season like "we'll still be players for Kawhi and Klay next off-season" then they'll have learned nothing and we'll stay in this constant circle that winds back to the same place every off-season. |
_________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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lakers4life78 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Go asset gathering with financial flexibility. bring in guys for a year, roll with the youth. _________________ 17 time World Champions |
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3baller Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Feel like we're gonna get trolled even harder this year if we miss out again entirely |
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statyin Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:13 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | MJST wrote: | If we strike out this year in free agency, then the Lakers need to finally acknowledge what Jim and Mitch acknowledged the year they were fired. That we aren't 'players in free agency' just because we're the Lakers and in Los Angeles anymore.
And they need to start finally treating the youngsters that bust their tails like they actually have faith in them leading our team to a Championship one day instead of acting like they're really just delaying until some max free agent comes and rescues us. And finally start building around the young core as our main options going forward.
Because if they strike out completely in free agency, and then go into next season like "we'll still be players for Kawhi and Klay next off-season" then they'll have learned nothing and we'll stay in this constant circle that winds back to the same place every off-season.
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So true, but i doubt people in our FO with that much laker pride will ever admit we are "just another team in the league". I am all for drafting and developing young talents. GSW did it the right way. |
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:14 am Post subject: |
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3baller wrote: | Feel like we're gonna get trolled even harder this year if we miss out again entirely |
Just stay strong. Its just sports in the end. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:16 am Post subject: |
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statyin wrote: | MJST wrote: | MJST wrote: | If we strike out this year in free agency, then the Lakers need to finally acknowledge what Jim and Mitch acknowledged the year they were fired. That we aren't 'players in free agency' just because we're the Lakers and in Los Angeles anymore.
And they need to start finally treating the youngsters that bust their tails like they actually have faith in them leading our team to a Championship one day instead of acting like they're really just delaying until some max free agent comes and rescues us. And finally start building around the young core as our main options going forward.
Because if they strike out completely in free agency, and then go into next season like "we'll still be players for Kawhi and Klay next off-season" then they'll have learned nothing and we'll stay in this constant circle that winds back to the same place every off-season.
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So true, but i doubt people in our FO with that much laker pride will ever admit we are "just another team in the league". I am all for drafting and developing young talents. GSW did it the right way. |
Mitch and Jim got fired when they realized that truth and that we weren't going anywhere till our youth started leading us to wins.
Jeanie replaced them with Magic and the whole "We're a player in max free agency every year cause we're the Lakers" crap that failed for 4 straight off-seasons prior.
If we do not land a max free agent this off-season it just shows how big of a mistake that was. Personally I think Jesse should be running things instead of Jeanie, but that's another discussion altogether.
If we don't land a max free agent this off-season however after all the stuff they pulled last off-season in anticipation that we were going to... then that mentality needs to be put away for good. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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alleyoop Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:17 am Post subject: |
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This thread is irrelevant because we won't strike out
Too many signs are pointing to us getting LeBron |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:18 am Post subject: |
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If no marquee signings the first thing to be done is repair the damage done to the egos of the young core. Then make it clear that the future is in the hands of the young core.
Instead of using the same strategy of placeholder one year deals and always taliking about next year’s big free agents you change the narrative to “ we believe in development and roster chemistry”.
Sign Randle. Then use the cap to sign or absorb players that fit the system they are trying to develop. Patient long term rebuild in place. Earn the respect of the league again by playing hard and winning games. It may take a couple years as the young players learn how to win. But I’m confident they can get there if given a chance.
FO and ownership have to sell the narrative of we went big game hunting, didn’t like the results and have decided to trust “the process” West Coast style. |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
Joined: 23 May 2013 Posts: 8842
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:18 am Post subject: |
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The Buss family needs to sell the damn team. All they know is recycling through past Laker great even though the job is suited for them, and basking blindly and arrogantly in past Laker glories which no one cares anymore. Just watch and mark my words, if we strike out completely, Jeannie Buss gonna use her mouthpiece to bring up Phil Jackson’s name to run things.
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Drifts Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:18 am Post subject: |
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we can tank again. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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statyin Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:21 am Post subject: |
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3baller wrote: | Feel like we're gonna get trolled even harder this year if we miss out again entirely |
I dont see us getting trolled at all. Teams chasing FA fail all the times, it happens. But we have to set our mind straight and stop getting overhyped just becoz big names mention lakers as their potential destination. Just let the chips fall where they may. It is the mentality of "someone to lakers is a lock/done deal" that makes us look bad. We trolled ourselves more than others tbh. |
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WindyCityLakerFan Star Player
Joined: 18 Jul 2002 Posts: 1537 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:35 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | statyin wrote: | MJST wrote: | MJST wrote: | If we strike out this year in free agency, then the Lakers need to finally acknowledge what Jim and Mitch acknowledged the year they were fired. That we aren't 'players in free agency' just because we're the Lakers and in Los Angeles anymore.
And they need to start finally treating the youngsters that bust their tails like they actually have faith in them leading our team to a Championship one day instead of acting like they're really just delaying until some max free agent comes and rescues us. And finally start building around the young core as our main options going forward.
Because if they strike out completely in free agency, and then go into next season like "we'll still be players for Kawhi and Klay next off-season" then they'll have learned nothing and we'll stay in this constant circle that winds back to the same place every off-season.
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So true, but i doubt people in our FO with that much laker pride will ever admit we are "just another team in the league". I am all for drafting and developing young talents. GSW did it the right way. |
Mitch and Jim got fired when they realized that truth and that we weren't going anywhere till our youth started leading us to wins.
Jeanie replaced them with Magic and the whole "We're a player in max free agency every year cause we're the Lakers" crap that failed for 4 straight off-seasons prior.
If we do not land a max free agent this off-season it just shows how big of a mistake that was. Personally I think Jesse should be running things instead of Jeanie, but that's another discussion altogether.
If we don't land a max free agent this off-season however after all the stuff they pulled last off-season in anticipation that we were going to... then that mentality needs to be put away for good. |
So what was the other options keeping d lo and Mozgov. Keeping keeping nance and JC. Where does that team get us. |
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i❤️ Rookie
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Lakers have a great young core, trading them is too much of a gamble just to make the playoffs. |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm not ready to tank just yet but it's getting there for sure. _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Byron Scott is always available to bring us some lottery picks
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Y'all Piss and Moan about the FO, but don't come up with a plan
Here's my Plan Z
1) Resign Randle 12.4 mill
2) Absorb Faried and Arthur 21.3 mill for a future 1st round pick
3) Sign Three Young Guys with Potential @ 10 mill ea = 30 mill
Potential Guys:
-Hezonja
-Exum
-????
We might be able to trade and buyout Carmelo too for a future 1st or 2nd round pick instead of signing three fliers.
Without huge leaps from the young core we are looking at a 40 win max team. Good enough for a late lottery pick. But hey, a lot of the greatest draft steals are in that range. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Doesn’t look like the following is going to age well:
“Cap space, 2 max FA”
“God is good”
“Leather pants” |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Vancouver Fan wrote: | Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | kawhileonard wrote: | I'm going to b***** a whole season that we traded DLO for nothing. |
Josh Hart isn't nothing, even though we botched the #42nd pick. Pairing DLO with Ball isn't a great idea unless you're opening an arthroscopy clinic. | Dlo Zo Bi Kuz and Randle is a nice young core but I digress. What's done is done. We just better not strike out. |
Actually if we keep Russell, it is more likely we drafted Tatum instead of Lonzo so the lineup would be
DLO, Ingram, Tatum, Kuzma, Randle |
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GreekTrojan Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:56 am Post subject: |
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If we strike out then the approach is simple, get on the phone with capped teams like Denver, OKC, Memphis etc... as see whats the best offer is to take their albatross contracts/eliminate the tax (1 year deals). Let another year of Deng roll off the books. Sign a bunch of 1 year deals (there are a lot more FA than teams to spend money this year). Aim for FA 2019. If we strike out next year, thats when you have to waive the flag of the Lakers' being a premium destination and focus (even more) internally, replace Magic with a more analytics guy (since recruiting isn't the focus) and move forward. |
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strong9 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:04 am Post subject: |
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GreekTrojan wrote: | If we strike out then the approach is simple, get on the phone with capped teams like Denver, OKC, Memphis etc... as see whats the best offer is to take their albatross contracts/eliminate the tax (1 year deals). Let another year of Deng roll off the books. Sign a bunch of 1 year deals (there are a lot more FA than teams to spend money this year). Aim for FA 2019. If we strike out next year, thats when you have to waive the flag of the Lakers' being a premium destination and focus (even more) internally, replace Magic with a more analytics guy (since recruiting isn't the focus) and move forward. |
I'd rather start that analytics, "process" build now. We are already down that path with the youth. Let's pivot to that approach and if we get a big name free agent to come in '19, great. But don't bank on it. |
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