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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:56 pm    Post subject:

Luke should have been playing MO all year then maybe the FO wouldn't have traded Zubac for MM.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:18 pm    Post subject:

So Luke and coaching staff don't get credit for development of Mo & other players. Do we take it for granted how his players, at least one's acquired & developing in his system, hustle and play hard. They love playing for him & work their butts off for his team.

We have seen this scenario of one young player exceeding expectations, time after time under Luke. Not that's happened prior to his arrival, or that's what's seen on average in NBA, and we take it for granted that Lakers will continue this trend without him.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:29 pm    Post subject:

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So Luke and coaching staff don't get credit for development of Mo & other players. Do we take it for granted how his players, at least one's acquired & developing in his system, hustle and play hard. They love playing for him & work their butts off for his team.

We have seen this scenario of one young player exceeding expectations, time after time under Luke. Not that's happened prior to his arrival, or that's what's seen on average in NBA, and we take it for granted that Lakers will continue this trend without him.


how about not playing wagner all year ? walton needs to go asap....the rest i have no idea what you talking about, who exceeded expectatios under luke walton ?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:35 pm    Post subject:

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So Luke and coaching staff don't get credit for development of Mo & other players. Do we take it for granted how his players, at least one's acquired & developing in his system, hustle and play hard. They love playing for him & work their butts off for his team.

We have seen this scenario of one young player exceeding expectations, time after time under Luke. Not that's happened prior to his arrival, or that's what's seen on average in NBA, and we take it for granted that Lakers will continue this trend without him.


how about not playing wagner all year ? walton needs to go asap....the rest i have no idea what you talking about, who exceeded expectatios under luke walton ?


Draftees don't land in NBA, game ready, let alone 25th pick. And if there's not awareness of stream of good young players that's come through in past 3-4 years, then any discussion is moot.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:40 pm    Post subject:

Wagner would look much better if he wasn't in Lukes High School offense.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:45 pm    Post subject:

rami34 wrote:
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rami34 wrote:
So Luke and coaching staff don't get credit for development of Mo & other players. Do we take it for granted how his players, at least one's acquired & developing in his system, hustle and play hard. They love playing for him & work their butts off for his team.

We have seen this scenario of one young player exceeding expectations, time after time under Luke. Not that's happened prior to his arrival, or that's what's seen on average in NBA, and we take it for granted that Lakers will continue this trend without him.


how about not playing wagner all year ? walton needs to go asap....the rest i have no idea what you talking about, who exceeded expectatios under luke walton ?


Draftees don't land in NBA, game ready, let alone 25th pick. And if there's not awareness of stream of good young players that's come through in past 3-4 years, then any discussion is moot.


Luke developed Wagner? He's been getting him ready for game 66 of this year?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:59 pm    Post subject:

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rami34 wrote:
Al13 wrote:
rami34 wrote:
So Luke and coaching staff don't get credit for development of Mo & other players. Do we take it for granted how his players, at least one's acquired & developing in his system, hustle and play hard. They love playing for him & work their butts off for his team.

We have seen this scenario of one young player exceeding expectations, time after time under Luke. Not that's happened prior to his arrival, or that's what's seen on average in NBA, and we take it for granted that Lakers will continue this trend without him.


how about not playing wagner all year ? walton needs to go asap....the rest i have no idea what you talking about, who exceeded expectatios under luke walton ?


Draftees don't land in NBA, game ready, let alone 25th pick. And if there's not awareness of stream of good young players that's come through in past 3-4 years, then any discussion is moot.


Luke developed Wagner? He's been getting him ready for game 66 of this year?

Yeah, sort of. He wasn’t quite ready to play early in the season, so the organization (not necessarily Luke) let him get his reps in the G League and in practice. And as the season has worn on and down, the team determined that he was capable of getting more minutes in real games. It helps that the Lakers are out of playoff contention, so he can get those reps relatively pressure-free.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:00 pm    Post subject:

I tell you, the NBA is salivating after one more asset of ours, and it's not a player. Waiting for us to make one extra gaffe, because Luke will be one of most sought after coaches in NBA.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject:

Lol .

Luke didn’t develop (bleep) here. It’s on him for constantly playing the craptastic “vets” every year over our young players.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:40 pm    Post subject:

So we still should have drafted Robinson or u guys good with Mo now that he's getting opportunities to shine?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject:

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So we still should have drafted Robinson or u guys good with Mo now that he's getting opportunities to shine?

Mitchell Robinson is posting the highest rookie BPM since Jordan in '83.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject:

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Lol .

Luke didn’t develop (bleep) here. It’s on him for constantly playing the craptastic “vets” every year over our young players.

Another unjustified Luke criticism. Last year, he literally benched Luol Deng for the entire season, giving his minutes instead to Ingram and Kuzma and Randle.

Also, playing alongside veterans is one of the best ways a young player can learn.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:51 pm    Post subject:

The whole Zu for Muscala thing looks even dumber now.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:53 pm    Post subject:

Good job Moe.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:03 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The whole Zu for Muscala thing looks even dumber now.


I didn't think it could possibly look any dumber
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:14 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
LonzoLegend2 wrote:
So we still should have drafted Robinson or u guys good with Mo now that he's getting opportunities to shine?

Mitchell Robinson is posting the highest rookie BPM since Jordan in '83.


Holy (bleep). We missed out on the second greatest player of all time
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Bol wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
LonzoLegend2 wrote:
So we still should have drafted Robinson or u guys good with Mo now that he's getting opportunities to shine?

Mitchell Robinson is posting the highest rookie BPM since Jordan in '83.


Holy (bleep). We missed out on the second greatest player of all time

Pretty sure the Lakers had no shot at Jordan in the draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:14 pm    Post subject:

LuciusAllen wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
rami34 wrote:
Al13 wrote:
rami34 wrote:
So Luke and coaching staff don't get credit for development of Mo & other players. Do we take it for granted how his players, at least one's acquired & developing in his system, hustle and play hard. They love playing for him & work their butts off for his team.

We have seen this scenario of one young player exceeding expectations, time after time under Luke. Not that's happened prior to his arrival, or that's what's seen on average in NBA, and we take it for granted that Lakers will continue this trend without him.


how about not playing wagner all year ? walton needs to go asap....the rest i have no idea what you talking about, who exceeded expectatios under luke walton ?


Draftees don't land in NBA, game ready, let alone 25th pick. And if there's not awareness of stream of good young players that's come through in past 3-4 years, then any discussion is moot.


Luke developed Wagner? He's been getting him ready for game 66 of this year?

Yeah, sort of. He wasn’t quite ready to play early in the season, so the organization (not necessarily Luke) let him get his reps in the G League and in practice. And as the season has worn on and down, the team determined that he was capable of getting more minutes in real games. It helps that the Lakers are out of playoff contention, so he can get those reps relatively pressure-free.

Same thing applies to Zubac. He wasn’t ready in early of the season and improved by the mid of the season. Not playing a player in a game doesn’t mean no player development.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:27 pm    Post subject:

LakerLogic wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The whole Zu for Muscala thing looks even dumber now.


I didn't think it could possibly look any dumber


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:36 pm    Post subject:

Again, having Wagner completely means we never needed Muscala.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:47 am    Post subject:

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Again, having Wagner completely means we never needed Muscala.


Upsets me just thinking about that trade. Yeah, Zubac is no star, but this trade got to me because it represents one of the worst asset evaluations I've seen here in recent years, both in terms of what they received and what they gave up.

Glad to see Moe play like that last night, though. He wouldn't have been my pick at 25, but the bottom line is that if he hits as a solid contributor, it's hard to criticize the pick.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:10 am    Post subject:

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Again, having Wagner completely means we never needed Muscala.


yeah, could've let Wear play to see if he can be a back up stretch 4. I think they already had their mind made up with Zubac, I think it was summer league or early in season where they were lip read 'he can't play' when Zubac was playing... Zubac/Moe would've been a cheap back up bigs. Let see what this summer bring, maybe Zubac small cap hold is needed for a big fish
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:33 am    Post subject:

LonzoLegend2 wrote:
So we still should have drafted Robinson or u guys good with Mo now that he's getting opportunities to shine?

Yep Mitchell would give us rebounding/shot blocking/defensive center wed need for next 10+ years
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:46 am    Post subject:

lakersfan8 wrote:
LuciusAllen wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
rami34 wrote:
Al13 wrote:
rami34 wrote:
So Luke and coaching staff don't get credit for development of Mo & other players. Do we take it for granted how his players, at least one's acquired & developing in his system, hustle and play hard. They love playing for him & work their butts off for his team.

We have seen this scenario of one young player exceeding expectations, time after time under Luke. Not that's happened prior to his arrival, or that's what's seen on average in NBA, and we take it for granted that Lakers will continue this trend without him.


how about not playing wagner all year ? walton needs to go asap....the rest i have no idea what you talking about, who exceeded expectatios under luke walton ?


Draftees don't land in NBA, game ready, let alone 25th pick. And if there's not awareness of stream of good young players that's come through in past 3-4 years, then any discussion is moot.


Luke developed Wagner? He's been getting him ready for game 66 of this year?

Yeah, sort of. He wasn’t quite ready to play early in the season, so the organization (not necessarily Luke) let him get his reps in the G League and in practice. And as the season has worn on and down, the team determined that he was capable of getting more minutes in real games. It helps that the Lakers are out of playoff contention, so he can get those reps relatively pressure-free.

Same thing applies to Zubac. He wasn’t ready in early of the season and improved by the mid of the season. Not playing a player in a game doesn’t mean no player development.




ZU showed quite a few signs earlier in his career too, it was not just a sudden burst this season. Luke and his so called staff got good looks at ZU almost endlessly at practices too.
Lakers blew it, lost ZU for essentially nothing. What's next? Wagner going to be dealt in a package of some kind soon too?

Wagner has shown a great enthusiasm, passion for the game. Cheering teammates on all the way through. Hustles, gives it his all every second of the game. High energy that feeds off to the other guys.

He gets a start and scores 22 points. No coincidence, I think he would score over 15 a game with minutes, while giving the lakers heart,hustle,high energy, and alot of things the stat sheet does not show......

Along with Brons overall game, I loved BI's last 6 games, and Wagners intensity and hustle,high energy, bright spots for me this season....
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject:

Robinson was and probably will always be the right pick but Wagner was also never given a chance to show much. He still has a long way to go, particularly in being a better/more reliable shooter, defensively, and strength wise, but the raw tools and skill set he posses is exactly what you'd want in a bench rotation big.
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