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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:34 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | LAkers 4 Life wrote: | epak wrote: | Isaac's agent is also Clint Capela and AD's agent. Just keeping touch? |
If the "trade" is a 3-year deal for Bonga now instead of stashing him overseas in exchange for an Anthony Davis trade later, then everyone should be all in on that one. |
Heh. Not saying it'll happen. Just a fun connection to look at. |
Hmm... kinda makes you wonder |
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cal1piggy Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:35 am Post subject: |
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over 50% of 1st round picks do not work out, especially after 1 and done.
the front office has brought us ball, kuz, hart and svi in the last 2 years.
yet why the piling on for a high risk high reward pick?
bonga is probably the youngest player picked.
he obviously needs a lot of development but it is the same front office that picked the other guys... |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:38 am Post subject: |
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AFireInside619 wrote: | epak wrote: | LAkers 4 Life wrote: | epak wrote: | Isaac's agent is also Clint Capela and AD's agent. Just keeping touch? |
If the "trade" is a 3-year deal for Bonga now instead of stashing him overseas in exchange for an Anthony Davis trade later, then everyone should be all in on that one. |
Heh. Not saying it'll happen. Just a fun connection to look at. |
Hmm... kinda makes you wonder |
Bonga got a 3 year deal pretty quick...#conspiracytheory
Seriously though, I think he has shown some good stuff like 5% of his playing time and he reads the floor well imo. It’s just a matter of will he ever be able to show well 80% of the time...and not travel 3 times per game. |
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oldlakerfan Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:34 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | I think we see him as possibly forming into a player in the Lamar Odom mold. |
if so, he is miles and miles behind where Odom was at this age. |
Wasn't Odom in High School at this age? |
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oldlakerfan Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Bonga is the 14th youngest player ever to enter the NBA and that includes all the kids that went directly to the NBA. Other than Lebron none of them were ready for the NBA. Kobe wasn't, Moses Malone wasn't, Garnett wasn't. Why would a 2nd rounder be any different? I would rather have Bonga then Ennis as the last guy on the bench. He is exactly the type of guy that the G league was made for. |
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cal1piggy Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:52 am Post subject: |
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oldlakerfan wrote: | adkindo wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | I think we see him as possibly forming into a player in the Lamar Odom mold. |
if so, he is miles and miles behind where Odom was at this age. |
Wasn't Odom in High School at this age? |
odom was 20 in his first year in the nba.
those 2 years are huge.
bi was a freshman at duke at age 18 weighing 180lbs.
he came into the nba at age 19 and was one of the younger players.
most one-and-done are at least 19 if not 20. |
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cal1piggy Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Here is another comp: At the time, Garnett was the youngest NBA player in history at 19 years and 11 months of age.
that is basically 2 years older than bonga.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Garnett |
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Bol Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:07 am Post subject: |
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These upside picks late in the draft hardly ever pan out. Obviously, the guys who really look like they have great upside get picked in the lottery, and even most of those don't work out. I'm hoping for the best for Bonga, but I'm glad the Lakers went with more proven players with their other picks. |
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cal1piggy Star Player
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Bol wrote: | These upside picks late in the draft hardly ever pan out. Obviously, the guys who really look like they have great upside get picked in the lottery, and even most of those don't work out. I'm hoping for the best for Bonga, but I'm glad the Lakers went with more proven players with their other picks. |
note that bonga did not workout for anyone else or sent his medical info to any other team.
lakers traded for an earlier 2nd round pick that was used to draft bonga.
he was signed the very first day he could be signed for a 3 year contract that substantially exceeded rookie minimum annual $.
that sounds like a prearranged deal to me.
if someone wants to a conspiracy, here is one.
over the last year, he improved his ft% from 70% to 90%.
so there is the will to improve.
so there is hope for his shooting, and he actually shot 30% from european 3p range last year.
he is 6'9" weighing 200lbs.
in one year, he may gain at least 10 lbs
that would help the finishing on his drives.
he already has good handling and passing.
defense is supposed to be decent already.
20lbs of muscle can add a lot of explosiveness and finishing through contact.
if he improved his 3p% by 5%, he would be respectable shooting.
that is obviously the biggest problem as his form sucks.
our fo has been really smart in the draft.
i dont see the fo making a stupid pick.
to me, he seems like another bi.
he could be taller and stronger than bi
he seems to have handles that are as good as bi
he passes better with better vision, while bi may shoot better and that is not definite as he already shoots 90% for ft's. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:48 am Post subject: |
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pokoy wrote: | StillSWOL wrote: | epak wrote: |
2. Isaac's agent is also Clint Capela and AD's agent. Just keeping touch? |
Interesting |
Okay no we're getting somewhere.... |
yeah....Jeanie better budget for more fines. |
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cal1piggy wrote: | Bol wrote: | These upside picks late in the draft hardly ever pan out. Obviously, the guys who really look like they have great upside get picked in the lottery, and even most of those don't work out. I'm hoping for the best for Bonga, but I'm glad the Lakers went with more proven players with their other picks. |
note that bonga did not workout for anyone else or sent his medical info to any other team.
lakers traded for an earlier 2nd round pick that was used to draft bonga.
he was signed the very first day he could be signed for a 3 year contract that substantially exceeded rookie minimum annual $.
that sounds like a prearranged deal to me.
if someone wants to a conspiracy, here is one.
over the last year, he improved his ft% from 70% to 90%.
so there is the will to improve.
so there is hope for his shooting, and he actually shot 30% from european 3p range last year.
he is 6'9" weighing 200lbs.
in one year, he may gain at least 10 lbs
that would help the finishing on his drives.
he already has good handling and passing.
defense is supposed to be decent already.
20lbs of muscle can add a lot of explosiveness and finishing through contact.
if he improved his 3p% by 5%, he would be respectable shooting.
that is obviously the biggest problem as his form sucks.
our fo has been really smart in the draft.
i dont see the fo making a stupid pick.
to me, he seems like another bi.
he could be taller and stronger than bi
he seems to have handles that are as good as bi
he passes better with better vision, while bi may shoot better and that is not definite as he already shoots 90% for ft's. |
I don’t know man, kinda look like a poor poor man Darius Miles right now. He is 18 tho so I hope you’re right |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:54 am Post subject: |
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cal1piggy wrote: | oldlakerfan wrote: | adkindo wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | I think we see him as possibly forming into a player in the Lamar Odom mold. |
if so, he is miles and miles behind where Odom was at this age. |
Wasn't Odom in High School at this age? |
odom was 20 in his first year in the nba.
those 2 years are huge.
bi was a freshman at duke at age 18 weighing 180lbs.
he came into the nba at age 19 and was one of the younger players.
most one-and-done are at least 19 if not 20. |
When Lamar was 18, he was at Rhode Island.....and was one of the most hyped prospects to come out of NYC in recent memory. Scouts were calling him the perfect blend of Magic and Jordan....the hype was enormous....and while he never lived up to the hype....his skill level was unquestionable. Comparing Lamar @ 18 to Bonga for those that do not recall Lamar at that time....would be similar to comparing Ben Simmons @ LSU to Bonga.....the gap is huge. |
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cal1piggy Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:55 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | cal1piggy wrote: | Bol wrote: | These upside picks late in the draft hardly ever pan out. Obviously, the guys who really look like they have great upside get picked in the lottery, and even most of those don't work out. I'm hoping for the best for Bonga, but I'm glad the Lakers went with more proven players with their other picks. |
note that bonga did not workout for anyone else or sent his medical info to any other team.
lakers traded for an earlier 2nd round pick that was used to draft bonga.
he was signed the very first day he could be signed for a 3 year contract that substantially exceeded rookie minimum annual $.
that sounds like a prearranged deal to me.
if someone wants to a conspiracy, here is one.
over the last year, he improved his ft% from 70% to 90%.
so there is the will to improve.
so there is hope for his shooting, and he actually shot 30% from european 3p range last year.
he is 6'9" weighing 200lbs.
in one year, he may gain at least 10 lbs
that would help the finishing on his drives.
he already has good handling and passing.
defense is supposed to be decent already.
20lbs of muscle can add a lot of explosiveness and finishing through contact.
if he improved his 3p% by 5%, he would be respectable shooting.
that is obviously the biggest problem as his form sucks.
our fo has been really smart in the draft.
i dont see the fo making a stupid pick.
to me, he seems like another bi.
he could be taller and stronger than bi
he seems to have handles that are as good as bi
he passes better with better vision, while bi may shoot better and that is not definite as he already shoots 90% for ft's. |
I don’t know man, kinda look like a poor poor man Darius Miles right now. He is 18 tho so I hope you’re right |
high-risk high reward pick.
our front office is not stupid and their track record speaks for itself.
note that bonga did not workout for anyone else or sent his medical info to any other team.
lakers traded for an earlier 2nd round pick that was used to draft bonga.
he was signed the very first day he could be signed for a 3 year contract that substantially exceeded rookie minimum annual $.
that sounds like a prearranged deal to me.
if someone wants to a conspiracy, here is one. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I have no big issue with the Bonga pick....sometimes teams take a low risk/high reward swing. If he bombs, nobody will really remember....but if does develop into a future star, and we did not take him....we would all be asking how the FO passed on him. It is what it is.
In reality....this matters very little....if that, but I am still confused if the reports are correct that we were the only team that had real interest in him, why did we use the #39th pick on him. I would think that we could have purchased a sub #55 pick to get his rights. |
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cal1piggy Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:18 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | cal1piggy wrote: | oldlakerfan wrote: | adkindo wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | I think we see him as possibly forming into a player in the Lamar Odom mold. |
if so, he is miles and miles behind where Odom was at this age. |
Wasn't Odom in High School at this age? |
odom was 20 in his first year in the nba.
those 2 years are huge.
bi was a freshman at duke at age 18 weighing 180lbs.
he came into the nba at age 19 and was one of the younger players.
most one-and-done are at least 19 if not 20. |
When Lamar was 18, he was at Rhode Island.....and was one of the most hyped prospects to come out of NYC in recent memory. Scouts were calling him the perfect blend of Magic and Jordan....the hype was enormous....and while he never lived up to the hype....his skill level was unquestionable. Comparing Lamar @ 18 to Bonga for those that do not recall Lamar at that time....would be similar to comparing Ben Simmons @ LSU to Bonga.....the gap is huge. |
i actually looked into bonga after the draft.
bonga was a hyped prospect in europe with many calling him the next giannis.
after seeing the results of the last 2 years, i would not question the fo's decisions.
it is not as if the fo did not do its homework on bonga.
the scouts and rob went to watch him play in germany.
he came in for a workout.
afterwards, he did not workout for anyone else.
he did not send his medical to anyone else.
we got him with the 39 pick.
not the 2nd pick. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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cal1piggy wrote: | adkindo wrote: | cal1piggy wrote: | oldlakerfan wrote: | adkindo wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | I think we see him as possibly forming into a player in the Lamar Odom mold. |
if so, he is miles and miles behind where Odom was at this age. |
Wasn't Odom in High School at this age? |
odom was 20 in his first year in the nba.
those 2 years are huge.
bi was a freshman at duke at age 18 weighing 180lbs.
he came into the nba at age 19 and was one of the younger players.
most one-and-done are at least 19 if not 20. |
When Lamar was 18, he was at Rhode Island.....and was one of the most hyped prospects to come out of NYC in recent memory. Scouts were calling him the perfect blend of Magic and Jordan....the hype was enormous....and while he never lived up to the hype....his skill level was unquestionable. Comparing Lamar @ 18 to Bonga for those that do not recall Lamar at that time....would be similar to comparing Ben Simmons @ LSU to Bonga.....the gap is huge. |
i actually looked into bonga after the draft.
bonga was a hyped prospect in europe with many calling him the next giannis.
after seeing the results of the last 2 years, i would not question the fo's decisions.
it is not as if the fo did not do its homework on bonga.
the scouts and rob went to watch him play in germany.
he came in for a workout.
afterwards, he did not workout for anyone else.
he did not send his medical to anyone else.
we got him with the 39 pick.
not the 2nd pick. |
like I have said, I do not have much of an issue with taking a chance on Bonga? .....and he may end up being better than Lamar some day....my point was he is not near what Lamar was as an 18 year old coming out of high school. @ Rhode Island Odom averaged 18 Points, 9 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 2 blocks and a steal as a Freshman.....then the next year as a NBA rookie, put up 17 Points, 8 Rebounds, 4 Assists, a block and a steal. Bonga has a long way to go to get to that level of player. |
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cal1piggy Star Player
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adkindo wrote: | cal1piggy wrote: | adkindo wrote: | cal1piggy wrote: | oldlakerfan wrote: | adkindo wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | I think we see him as possibly forming into a player in the Lamar Odom mold. |
if so, he is miles and miles behind where Odom was at this age. |
Wasn't Odom in High School at this age? |
odom was 20 in his first year in the nba.
those 2 years are huge.
bi was a freshman at duke at age 18 weighing 180lbs.
he came into the nba at age 19 and was one of the younger players.
most one-and-done are at least 19 if not 20. |
When Lamar was 18, he was at Rhode Island.....and was one of the most hyped prospects to come out of NYC in recent memory. Scouts were calling him the perfect blend of Magic and Jordan....the hype was enormous....and while he never lived up to the hype....his skill level was unquestionable. Comparing Lamar @ 18 to Bonga for those that do not recall Lamar at that time....would be similar to comparing Ben Simmons @ LSU to Bonga.....the gap is huge. |
i actually looked into bonga after the draft.
bonga was a hyped prospect in europe with many calling him the next giannis.
after seeing the results of the last 2 years, i would not question the fo's decisions.
it is not as if the fo did not do its homework on bonga.
the scouts and rob went to watch him play in germany.
he came in for a workout.
afterwards, he did not workout for anyone else.
he did not send his medical to anyone else.
we got him with the 39 pick.
not the 2nd pick. |
like I have said, I do not have much of an issue with taking a chance on Bonga? .....and he may end up being better than Lamar some day....my point was he is not near what Lamar was as an 18 year old coming out of high school. @ Rhode Island Odom averaged 18 Points, 9 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 2 blocks and a steal as a Freshman.....then the next year as a NBA rookie, put up 17 Points, 8 Rebounds, 4 Assists, a block and a steal. Bonga has a long way to go to get to that level of player. |
yeah, i saw that.
i dont think of him like odom.
but more like bi but with more ball handling and less shooting, even though his ft% is already 90%.
i think many would be happy if they took svi at 39 and bonga at 47.
the fo took bonga first because they were more worried that someone else would take the chance.
paying him much more than a rookie minimum suggests that there was a predraft deal where he would not workout for anyone else and not send his medical to anyone else.
bonga looks like a pure pg.
if he did nothing else this year but gain 10 lbs and improve his shooting form, it would make a big difference. |
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^^^this discussion reminded me of how underrated Lamar was as a basketball player with that size and skill. |
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cal1piggy Star Player
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adkindo wrote: | ^^^this discussion reminded me of how underrated Lamar was as a basketball player with that size and skill. |
odom was a freak alright as it appears his body matured sooner than many others
well odom was underrated but also underachieved or we would never have gotten him in the trade
bonga now is a 200lb string bean at 18 with horrible shooting form
bi was a 180lb skinny string bean at 18 at duke
giannis was better 1st year in nba at 19. |
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Lakers probably could have got him without picking him, looks like he was probably not on anyone's radar.. _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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unleasHell wrote: | Lakers probably could have got him without picking him, looks like he was probably not on anyone's radar.. |
Quote from Wasserman in late 2017
Quote: | Draft range: Middle of the first to second round
Isaac Bonga is on the first-round radar for his unique point-forward skills. At 6'9", he's a true facilitator capable of handling the ball and setting up teammates.
He's also a below-average athlete for an NBA wing and has struggled as a shooter from distance, raising questions over how his game will translate.
Versatility and motor are still big selling points for Bonga. The efficiency stats haven't been, but he won't turn 18 years old until November and he thrives in areas that can't be taught. But he'll need to show progress with his jumper and two-point scoring to build a more convincing first-round case.
So far, Bonga has made four threes through five games (made 17 in 44 games last year) and hasn't missed any of his 14 free-throw attempts. |
I would be interested to know if any other team did like him. |
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oldlakerfan wrote: | Bonga is the 14th youngest player ever to enter the NBA and that includes all the kids that went directly to the NBA. Other than Lebron none of them were ready for the NBA. Kobe wasn't, Moses Malone wasn't, Garnett wasn't. Why would a 2nd rounder be any different? I would rather have Bonga then Ennis as the last guy on the bench. He is exactly the type of guy that the G league was made for. |
It's debatable as to whether Lebron was any more ready than the rest. He got the minutes and was allowed to learn on the fly on a losing team. |
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cal1piggy wrote: | governator wrote: | cal1piggy wrote: | Bol wrote: | These upside picks late in the draft hardly ever pan out. Obviously, the guys who really look like they have great upside get picked in the lottery, and even most of those don't work out. I'm hoping for the best for Bonga, but I'm glad the Lakers went with more proven players with their other picks. |
note that bonga did not workout for anyone else or sent his medical info to any other team.
lakers traded for an earlier 2nd round pick that was used to draft bonga.
he was signed the very first day he could be signed for a 3 year contract that substantially exceeded rookie minimum annual $.
that sounds like a prearranged deal to me.
if someone wants to a conspiracy, here is one.
over the last year, he improved his ft% from 70% to 90%.
so there is the will to improve.
so there is hope for his shooting, and he actually shot 30% from european 3p range last year.
he is 6'9" weighing 200lbs.
in one year, he may gain at least 10 lbs
that would help the finishing on his drives.
he already has good handling and passing.
defense is supposed to be decent already.
20lbs of muscle can add a lot of explosiveness and finishing through contact.
if he improved his 3p% by 5%, he would be respectable shooting.
that is obviously the biggest problem as his form sucks.
our fo has been really smart in the draft.
i dont see the fo making a stupid pick.
to me, he seems like another bi.
he could be taller and stronger than bi
he seems to have handles that are as good as bi
he passes better with better vision, while bi may shoot better and that is not definite as he already shoots 90% for ft's. |
I don’t know man, kinda look like a poor poor man Darius Miles right now. He is 18 tho so I hope you’re right |
high-risk high reward pick.
our front office is not stupid and their track record speaks for itself.
note that bonga did not workout for anyone else or sent his medical info to any other team.
lakers traded for an earlier 2nd round pick that was used to draft bonga.
he was signed the very first day he could be signed for a 3 year contract that substantially exceeded rookie minimum annual $.
that sounds like a prearranged deal to me.
if someone wants to a conspiracy, here is one. |
I wouldn't call a 2nd-round pick "high risk", but in hindsight, it would have been costly if they had missed out on Svi. |
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epak wrote: | unleasHell wrote: | Lakers probably could have got him without picking him, looks like he was probably not on anyone's radar.. |
Quote from Wasserman in late 2017
Quote: | Draft range: Middle of the first to second round
Isaac Bonga is on the first-round radar for his unique point-forward skills. At 6'9", he's a true facilitator capable of handling the ball and setting up teammates.
He's also a below-average athlete for an NBA wing and has struggled as a shooter from distance, raising questions over how his game will translate.
Versatility and motor are still big selling points for Bonga. The efficiency stats haven't been, but he won't turn 18 years old until November and he thrives in areas that can't be taught. But he'll need to show progress with his jumper and two-point scoring to build a more convincing first-round case.
So far, Bonga has made four threes through five games (made 17 in 44 games last year) and hasn't missed any of his 14 free-throw attempts. |
I would be interested to know if any other team did like him. |
Only way to know is to have not selected him at all.
Hoping no one picks the player you covet so you could pick him later or sign him as a udfa is an ill conceived draft philosophy imo.
I am also a Rams fan and I remember they supposedly wanted LB Bobby Wagner but I believe they traded down to get more assets thinking they could pick him later. Well the Seahawks drafted him instead and Fisher supposedly pounded his fist on the table. They ended up with RB Pead instead and that was not a good trade off. |
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Thankfully it looks like we did well with Wagner/Svi.
Bonga, 2 years from being 2 years away. But he's so young so the hope is he improves dramatically now that he's here. However by the time he may be ready to contribute, his contract will be up. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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