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| splashmtn wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | watchME wrote: | PG.Hart
SG.Svi
SF.Ingram
PF.Kuzma
C.Lebron
ummm |
Against other teams's bench for like 8 minutes a game...ok...I likey. |
Why against the bench only? Depending on the matchup, this may work against some starting lineups.
Two initiators, 3 shooters. |
well if thats the case
give me
ball
kcp/or hart
Svi
kuz
Bron
Two lights out distributors, super up tempo. still some solid defense from at list 3 of the positions. |
If Ball improves his shooting percentages, I would be on board with this.
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | epak wrote: | | McSassy wrote: | | epak wrote: | Why wasabi?
They don't even have real wasabi in America.
It's colored horse radish.
Maybe his nick should be "Green horse radish." |
They have real wasabi at some sushi spots lmao...I've had it a couple times in LA. They grate the root right in front of you with a special grater. |
Oh nice. Which one? |
If you/re in OC: Oshima
LA: Sushi Gen |
Or if you want to go cheap, Urasawa. |
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watchME
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | watchME wrote: | PG.Hart
SG.Svi
SF.Ingram
PF.Kuzma
C.Lebron
ummm |
Against other teams's bench for like 8 minutes a game...ok...I likey. |
Why against the bench only? Depending on the matchup, this may work against some starting lineups.
Two initiators, 3 shooters. |
Also those 2 initiatiators are very good 3pt shooters. |
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| watchME wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | watchME wrote: | PG.Hart
SG.Svi
SF.Ingram
PF.Kuzma
C.Lebron
ummm |
Against other teams's bench for like 8 minutes a game...ok...I likey. |
Why against the bench only? Depending on the matchup, this may work against some starting lineups.
Two initiators, 3 shooters. |
Also those 2 initiatiators are very good 3pt shooters. |
At least LeBron is a tick above league average on a pull up 3pt shot. Ingram barely took any.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Annihilator wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | watchME wrote: | PG.Hart
SG.Svi
SF.Ingram
PF.Kuzma
C.Lebron
ummm |
Against other teams's bench for like 8 minutes a game...ok...I likey. |
Why against the bench only? Depending on the matchup, this may work against some starting lineups.
Two initiators, 3 shooters. |
well if thats the case
give me
ball
kcp/or hart
Svi
kuz
Bron
Two lights out distributors, super up tempo. still some solid defense from at list 3 of the positions. |
If Ball improves his shooting percentages, I would be on board with this. |
with a team like that it wont matter, which is why i put ball there to begin with.
you wont need him to be a shooter too. you have more than enough shooting at 3 spots and actually 4 if you have bron playing center. he will be one of the best 3 pt shooting centers in the nba at that moment in time. you dont need 5 shooters. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Annihilator wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | watchME wrote: | PG.Hart
SG.Svi
SF.Ingram
PF.Kuzma
C.Lebron
ummm |
Against other teams's bench for like 8 minutes a game...ok...I likey. |
Why against the bench only? Depending on the matchup, this may work against some starting lineups.
Two initiators, 3 shooters. |
well if thats the case
give me
ball
kcp/or hart
Svi
kuz
Bron
Two lights out distributors, super up tempo. still some solid defense from at list 3 of the positions. |
If Ball improves his shooting percentages, I would be on board with this. |
with a team like that it wont matter, which is why i put ball there to begin with.
you wont need him to be a shooter too. you have more than enough shooting at 3 spots and actually 4 if you have bron playing center. he will be one of the best 3 pt shooting centers in the nba at that moment in time. you dont need 5 shooters. |
45% free throw shooting from your PG is a bit low. 36% FG and 30.5% from the 3-point line are not helpful. I am very hopeful that these numbers improve significantly this year.
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Hector the Pup
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | epak wrote: | | McSassy wrote: | | epak wrote: | Why wasabi?
They don't even have real wasabi in America.
It's colored horse radish.
Maybe his nick should be "Green horse radish." |
They have real wasabi at some sushi spots lmao...I've had it a couple times in LA. They grate the root right in front of you with a special grater. |
Oh nice. Which one? |
If you/re in OC: Oshima
LA: Sushi Gen |
Or if you want to go cheap, Urasawa. |
https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/urasawa-beverly-hills?select=dEcpr1UammOXd6nnys9QTg |
Ah, they must have had a coupon.  |
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| Hiding a sushi message board inside a Svi thread is ingenious. Kinda like when people hide video game emulators inside the Apple App Store. 🤣 |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | epak wrote: | | McSassy wrote: | | epak wrote: | Why wasabi?
They don't even have real wasabi in America.
It's colored horse radish.
Maybe his nick should be "Green horse radish." |
They have real wasabi at some sushi spots lmao...I've had it a couple times in LA. They grate the root right in front of you with a special grater. |
Oh nice. Which one? |
If you/re in OC: Oshima
LA: Sushi Gen |
Or if you want to go cheap, Urasawa. |
https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/urasawa-beverly-hills?select=dEcpr1UammOXd6nnys9QTg |
Ah, they must have had a coupon. |
The best jokes are the ones that take people just a little time to figure out that they have been had. Well done.
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| Quote: | | you dont need 5 shooters. |
So I'll disagree in two ways.
1. You can get away with 4 shooters or less as long as the non-shooters screen VERY well and provide more spacing for the shooters
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2. You don't need 5 shooters, unless the hypothetical defender at the non-shooting position can't contest perimeter shots well, so he'll get closer to the perimeter.
That being said, Ball is a playmaker. You DO need him to shoot. Otherwise defenses would have no issue conceding 30% behind the arc to Lonzo unless he starts showing more consistency.
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How much time do any of you think Svi will actually get as a rook? I know he seems like a lock IF his shot continues to be true, but on this roster and with this coach, what are you actually expecting at least for next year?
You can answer the same question for the kraut (I am a kraut, I can say that).
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| non-player zealot wrote: | How much time do any of you think Svi will actually get as a rook? I know he seems like a lock IF his shot continues to be true, but on this roster and with this coach, what are you actually expecting at least for next year?
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This is a fabulous question. I don't have an answer. The roster is essentially:
PG: Ball, Rondo, (Bonga at South Bay)
SG/SF/PF: Hart, KCP, BI, James, Kuzma, Stephenson, Beasley & Svi
C: Zubac, McGee, Wagner
Street Clothes at end of bench: Deng
To get playing time, Svi is going to have to be better than a lot of veteran players and a young core that has some potential.
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Lebron loves having an elite knockdown shooter to kick the ball to. If he proves himself as elite in his rookie year I think they will find a way to get him minutes at the expense of anyone who isnt hitting their shots
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | Lebron loves having an elite knockdown shooter to kick the ball to. If he proves himself as elite in his rookie year I think they will find a way to get him minutes at the expense of anyone who isnt hitting their shots |
Which comes first? They find him minutes so that he can prove himself to be an elite shooter, or he proves himself to be an elite shooter, then they'll find him minutes? |
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Assuming no odd-man trades, where we do a 2 or 3 for 1 to create cap space, Svi may not get very much time, barring injuries or poor performance by others. Svi probably spends a lot of time in the minor leagues, maybe being used on back to back games, blowouts, that sort of thing.
I think, sort of like Zubac (and also likely Wagner), they are not in a hurry to put the rookies in over their heads. Next year, especially if we attract a KL or Butler, the one year guys are likely gone and Wagner fills in either for Zubac or McGee, and Svi takes up one of the Lance/KCP spots, and both get more playing time next year.
Of Wagner and Svi, I would expect Svi to get more playing time this year, but who knows really?
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| I have been watching his videos for a while and summer league confirmed that there is some good material in Svi. He , in some fashion, reminds me of Peja Stojakovic. Maybe he is not going to be that good but probably somewhere close. Definitely can see our future on SG position with him and Hart. |
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| blackmamba08 wrote: | | I have been watching his videos for a while and summer league confirmed that there is some good material in Svi. He , in some fashion, reminds me of Peja Stojakovic. Maybe he is not going to be that good but probably somewhere close. Definitely can see our future on SG position with him and Hart. |
Peja Stojakovic would be a max player today. If Svi is close to Peja, then he's an $80-100 mil player.
Peja in 2003-04 put up:
81 games
40.3 min
48% fg%
8.2 - 17.1 fga
43.3% 3p%
92.7% ft%
6.3 reb
24.2 ppg
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | Lebron loves having an elite knockdown shooter to kick the ball to. If he proves himself as elite in his rookie year I think they will find a way to get him minutes at the expense of anyone who isnt hitting their shots |
Which comes first? They find him minutes so that he can prove himself to be an elite shooter, or he proves himself to be an elite shooter, then they'll find him minutes? |
Probably happens simultaneously. Its gonna depend also on how he capitalizes on the opportunites he's given and the mastery of some skill/s the team is lacking e.g coming of off screens. |
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He's the best shooter on the team. He better get minutes and major minutes.
A bench of:
Rondo
Svi
Hart
Beasley/Stephenson
Zubac/Wagner
would dominate. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| non-player zealot wrote: | How much time do any of you think Svi will actually get as a rook? I know he seems like a lock IF his shot continues to be true, but on this roster and with this coach, what are you actually expecting at least for next year?
You can answer the same question for the kraut (I am a kraut, I can say that). |
Barring an injury, he’ll get garbage time and/or time when we are in a funk and need to switch things up.
Next year, he’ll play more as Hart’s primary backup, IMO. |
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If Svi can knock down his shots early in the season with whatever small minutes he can get, he will get much more significant minutes as the season goes on. I expect someone like KCP to decline in minutes and/or get traded later in the season when Hart and Svi surpass him.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | | you dont need 5 shooters. |
So I'll disagree in two ways.
1. You can get away with 4 shooters or less as long as the non-shooters screen VERY well and provide more spacing for the shooters
OR
2. You don't need 5 shooters, unless the hypothetical defender at the non-shooting position can't contest perimeter shots well, so he'll get closer to the perimeter.
That being said, Ball is a playmaker. You DO need him to shoot. Otherwise defenses would have no issue conceding 30% behind the arc to Lonzo unless he starts showing more consistency. |
in theory you are correct. but he's 6'6 to 6'7. similar to how simmons does it. everyone was mad at him for not having a 3 ball. truth is he doesnt need one. they back up. he scoots up. they back up some more. he scoots up some more. he's done this throughout college and high school(seen the clips.) What use to happen when kobe would rondo 25 feet and dare him to shoot is, rondo would stay where he was and dribble around the perimeter and look for openings gaps, but couldnt find any. rondo is a good size pg with super long arms. but rondo isnt' as tall as zo. nor simmons. There's something about big guards like this even if you back up. they can take up that space and dare you to back up again and again. and backing up wont help the team if we have other shooters out there like you guys said. and yes you are correct guys would need to set all kinds of on and off ball screens for the chuckers. as they should. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | If Svi can knock down his shots early in the season with whatever small minutes he can get, he will get much more significant minutes as the season goes on. I expect someone like KCP to decline in minutes and/or get traded later in the season when Hart and Svi surpass him. |
what is with this idea that KCP is a finished product and isnt young and that hart and svi are going to surpass him so quickly? |
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