What's the minimum number of championships needed for trading away the young core to be a success?
None - trading the young core is too risky. We might have a bigger, better championships window if they develop.
4%
[ 4 ]
Any amount - even one championship is worth it.
60%
[ 55 ]
At least 2 - our young core has huge upside.
25%
[ 23 ]
3+ - I have high standards for success
9%
[ 9 ]
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Vadorojo Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:42 am Post subject: How Many Championships Make a Trade/FA "Worth It"?
I find myself asking this question because I'm attached to the young core. It's strange as a Laker fan to have young talent and watch it grow, and it's been fun for these past few years, even in the midst of losing seasons. With all this trade and free agency chatter, the prospect of losing Ingram (whose jersey I bought) or Kuzma or Randle or Ball or Hart makes me sad. That being said, if we make the big moves and ultimately win a championship, isn't it worth it? The fear of course, is that we don't. But look at Boston - don't you think the Ray Allen/KG/Paul Pierce era was worth it for them, even for just 1 championship?
I've come to the conclusion that any and all trades are worth it if we ultimately win a championship - even just one - because that's the whole point - winning it all. _________________ "I like looking at a guy's face when he realizes that even his best moves aren't going to work on me all night. They look depressed." - Ron Artest
Considering an Ingram/Lonzo/Randle core probably doesn't get us a title, even one title would be worth it. _________________ If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft. - Magic Johnson Mar 27, 2011
For all of you out there questioning Jimmer Fredette of BYU, he is the real deal. - Magic Johnson Mar 20, 2011
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:31 am Post subject:
I teeter between one and two. I don't see the current core winning it. So, one would be huge. But trading a bunch for 1 title, and a worse long-term outlook with age and such... those decisions can impact a franchise for a number of years. _________________ "We got a new universe coming and he's going to control all our universes. We're going to put our universes together" - Metta World Peace
Although we have a lot of championships already, they aren’t easy to come by and yeah, our current young core isn’t going to get us there on their own no matter how long we keep them together. One championship by moving them is more then we could ever get keeping them together.
Count the seasons any team ran with their "promising" youth and didn't win a championship.
If your scenario allows a guarantee of 1 ring - all exec's would do it.
Houston would say yes.
Boston yes.
philly yes.
But for the lakers, sure you'd still get some hate cuz that's just how spoiled we are. That scenario doesn't guarantee a dynasty (3-peat). _________________ KOBE!!!
With all things being equal, on average a NBA team should win a championship once every 30 years(the amount of teams in the NBA).
Obviously it doesn't work like this in real life, but there's only 30 championships in every 30 year span. So whatever moves we do that accelerates us past that average is worth it in my opinion.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:32 am Post subject:
You folks can't have a regular conversation without adding a poll that less than 0.5% of viewers vote on it!!!
Where's the option of keeping young core & ADDING a FREE agent, that's why they call it free so you don't have to give up anybody & Magic would be foolish to trade away 21 yr olds when they can just sign their names & have 8-9 very good players instead of 3 & a bunch of past prime career dudes... _________________ My Laker squad.
Mr. Clutch, Nixon, Eddie, Nick, Magic, Kareem,
Silk, Cooper, AC, Worthy, Horry, Shaq, Kobe.
HC: Riley
You folks can't have a regular conversation without adding a poll that less than 0.5% of viewers vote on it!!!
Where's the option of keeping young core & ADDING a FREE agent, that's why they call it free so you don't have to give up anybody & Magic would be foolish to trade away 21 yr olds when they can just sign their names & have 8-9 very good players instead of 3 & a bunch of past prime career dudes...
Sounds like you fall in poll option number one - trading away the young core isn't worth it. This discussion is specifically about trading away the young core, not adding free agents.
I, too, would love to simply add LBJ and PG13 and see if we can win a championship that way. But that's also taking a risk - maybe we never win with that plan, and Kawhi was on the table ... there's a risk, either way. Branching paths. Big decisions. _________________ "I like looking at a guy's face when he realizes that even his best moves aren't going to work on me all night. They look depressed." - Ron Artest
One title would be worth it. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Let's be honest with ourselves: this young core is talented and fun to watch BUT they are not projected to be championship caliber players on their own.
There's no guarantee they'll reach their ceilings which is why I am ok with giving a few of them away for current superstars that we know are in their prime and could lead us to ring(s).
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:31 am Post subject: Re: How Many Championships Make a Trade/FA "Worth It"?
Vadorojo wrote:
I find myself asking this question because I'm attached to the young core. It's strange as a Laker fan to have young talent and watch it grow, and it's been fun for these past few years, even in the midst of losing seasons. With all this trade and free agency chatter, the prospect of losing Ingram (whose jersey I bought) or Kuzma or Randle or Ball or Hart makes me sad. That being said, if we make the big moves and ultimately win a championship, isn't it worth it? The fear of course, is that we don't. But look at Boston - don't you think the Ray Allen/KG/Paul Pierce era was worth it for them, even for just 1 championship?
I've come to the conclusion that any and all trades are worth it if we ultimately win a championship - even just one - because that's the whole point - winning it all.
The Lakers have been so successfully that some fans have forgotten have difficult winning a championship is.
Something like a third of the teams in the league have never won a ring.
Boston took 22 years to win its last ring, and it's been 9 years since then.
So, sure, if you have a chance to get a ring you take it. But everything is a calculated risk. Heck, we could trade for a big three or keep the young core entire or do anything inbetween -- and none of it guarantees a ring.
What if we trade the young guys away and we spend 5 years where we make the WCF a few times, maybe even the NBA finals once, but we never win the title. Would it have been worth it? Compared to being a bubble team who might make it out of the first round only once or twice in that time frame.
What if we trade the young guys away and we spend 5 years where we make the WCF a few times, maybe even the NBA finals once, but we never win the title. Would it have been worth it? Compared to being a bubble team who might make it out of the first round only once or twice in that time frame.
Not worth it at all. I'd rather be a young team with growing talent that flames out early in the playoffs (and potentially attracts big names, like GSW 5 years ago) than trade the farm and only make it to the WCF. Championships are all that matter. _________________ "I like looking at a guy's face when he realizes that even his best moves aren't going to work on me all night. They look depressed." - Ron Artest
What if we trade the young guys away and we spend 5 years where we make the WCF a few times, maybe even the NBA finals once, but we never win the title. Would it have been worth it? Compared to being a bubble team who might make it out of the first round only once or twice in that time frame.
Still worth it, getting the Lakers back to being a contender should always be the goal
What if we trade the young guys away and we spend 5 years where we make the WCF a few times, maybe even the NBA finals once, but we never win the title. Would it have been worth it? Compared to being a bubble team who might make it out of the first round only once or twice in that time frame.
Not worth it at all. I'd rather be a young team with growing talent that flames out early in the playoffs (and potentially attracts big names, like GSW 5 years ago) than trade the farm and only make it to the WCF. Championships are all that matter.
I'm remembering all of the titles that Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Vlade Divac, Elden Campbell, Cedric Ceballos, Anthony Peeler, George Lynch, Pig Miller & Sedale Threatt won here! I'm so glad they didn't trade away our young core to go after free agents and make trades . . . _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
What if we trade the young guys away and we spend 5 years where we make the WCF a few times, maybe even the NBA finals once, but we never win the title. Would it have been worth it? Compared to being a bubble team who might make it out of the first round only once or twice in that time frame.
Still worth it, getting the Lakers back to being a contender should always be the goal
You can't guarantee a championship, especially with the Hampton 5 in our division, and Rockets may still improve. The best you can do is give yourself a tangible, fighting chance at getting one (or more). There is a gap in the poll between not trading and not winning and trading and guaranteed to win.
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