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KB824MJ
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | Brandon Ingram 2nd year vs. Paul George 2nd year
Ingram 16.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 3.9 APG 0.8 STL 0.7 BLK
George 12.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 2.4 APG 1.6 STL 0.6 BLK
Wow... inconceivable that BI can ever be as good as PG...
If you go by age... the difference in BI's favor is even more pronounced. |
BI is actually way better than people think, to be honest. He is a late bloomer and plenty of guys explode on their 3rd-5th years. And BI has already outplayed most in their second season. You keep this kid at all costs. He could have averaged 20 points last season, just needs to hit his freethrows and he would have gotten there |
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I wanted both, great perimeter defense is the only way to defeat the Warriors.
Ingram, Kawhi and PG are the only ones who can provide that. We are fine on offense without a guy who can't play off ball in LeBron, and heaven and earth knows LeBron doesn't play consistent defense anymore.
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| KB824MJ wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | Brandon Ingram 2nd year vs. Paul George 2nd year
Ingram 16.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 3.9 APG 0.8 STL 0.7 BLK
George 12.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 2.4 APG 1.6 STL 0.6 BLK
Wow... inconceivable that BI can ever be as good as PG...
If you go by age... the difference in BI's favor is even more pronounced. |
BI is actually way better than people think, to be honest. He is a late bloomer and plenty of guys explode on their 3rd-5th years. And BI has already outplayed most in their second season. You keep this kid at all costs. He could have averaged 20 points last season, just needs to hit his freethrows and he would have gotten there |
That's the one thing that PG really has him beat... FT%... but if Ingram works hard and raises his percentages... works on his defense... he will be right at his level. |
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| The thing for me about BI, is that he is already quite the dynamic basketball talent yet somehow manages to still be one the most raw players on the team. It's a very odd situation to be in with a player but it's true for Brandon and a huge reason why I have all the faith in the world in the kid. |
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kawhileonard
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I doubt Ingram would do as well as PG13 if he was in OKC.
PG13 was literally the third option behind Russ and HOODY MELO. Also, PG13 didn't become the man until Danny Granger left and this dude carried the pacers against lebron's super Heat teams very well imo.
Ingram has a high ceiling, but dont make it sound like Ingram is there or anywhere near that level yet... PG13 was at a point of time, one of the best players in the NBA |
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| MJST wrote: | George said more than no.
He said "ya'll don't even get a meeting"
Like Whiteside did to Jim and Mitch. |
This may sound like sour grapes, but it's not. I'll reserve those for something a little more grandiose than Paul George. After what happened with Dwight, if a player/FA is letting the LA Lakers know that they don't wanna be here, believe them and accept it as a gift that they didn't second guess themselves and come here anyway. Not everyone is made for this market and franchise. George is content with small Midwestern franchises and if he isn't risking this market and these expectations, it's for the best long term that he stays wherever he is, at least if and until Brawn admits that PG not signing here made up his own mind not to. Until that's a given thing, we ain't gonna live or die on a decision by Paul George no matter what it is. On its face, not getting Paul George doesn't even feel as bad as coming in 2nd to Orlando for Ho Grant in 94 where he lauded the FO, but didn't think we were set to win anything. It's definitely not as embarrassing as how LMA was completely unimpressed with our pitch and our lack of analytics and entitlement based on winning history. PG didn't necessarily avoid us like the plague based on perception of the FO/mgmnt like Whiteside quite probably did with Jim/Mitch. He might just be happy to take the money and stay in OKC. He's been acclimated to that locale after starting his career in "alt-OKC" (Indianapolis).
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I agree with this... If Ingram can find his focus on the court, he can be just as good as George and truth be told even better defensively!
But he's got to put on some weight/muscle... |
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| Lakers are unwilling to move BI for a reason |
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| Ingram is 20 years old. How old was PG13 when he finally became what yall consider great? BI will be fine lets stop trying to trade this guy away for ever big name yall can think of. This guy is 20! |
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I really doubt it but I would sure love to be wrong (unless we trade him for Kawhi  )
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| kawhileonard wrote: | I doubt Ingram would do as well as PG13 if he was in OKC.
PG13 was literally the third option behind Russ and HOODY MELO. Also, PG13 didn't become the man until Danny Granger left and this dude carried the pacers against lebron's super Heat teams very well imo.
Ingram has a high ceiling, but dont make it sound like Ingram is there or anywhere near that level yet... PG13 was at a point of time, one of the best players in the NBA |
So you're signing with us in 2019, right 
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Paul George has signed with the OKC Thunder.
But Playoff P has apparently been an unrestricted free agent since 2016.
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| The problem is these two weren't mutually exclusive. He and Kawhi are, unless we wait a year. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | Brandon Ingram 2nd year vs. Paul George 2nd year
Ingram 16.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 3.9 APG 0.8 STL 0.7 BLK
George 12.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 2.4 APG 1.6 STL 0.6 BLK
Wow... inconceivable that BI can ever be as good as PG...
If you go by age... the difference in BI's favor is even more pronounced. |
His numbers were also better than Giannis as a second year player. But you know LG, if the guy isn't making the all star team by year 2, ship him out.
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I'm sorry someone actually made an argument we should have traded Ingram for George last year because we didn't sign him as an UFA?
Good way to destroy your franchise.
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | Brandon Ingram 2nd year vs. Paul George 2nd year
Ingram 16.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 3.9 APG 0.8 STL 0.7 BLK
George 12.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 2.4 APG 1.6 STL 0.6 BLK
Wow... inconceivable that BI can ever be as good as PG...
If you go by age... the difference in BI's favor is even more pronounced. |
The problem with this sort of argument is that it implicitly assumes that, because one player blossomed, another player will do the same thing. In fact, we could probably find players who were equal to or better than Ingram at the same point, but who never blossomed or even regressed. For example:
Try this one — Ingram vs. Andrew Wiggins
Or this one — Ingram vs. Marvin Williams
So far, Ingram has been sort of the midpoint between Wiggins and Williams. Williams never got close to his ceiling, and Wiggins does not look like he will get there, either. We know Ingram has a high ceiling. The question is whether he will get there, or even close. |
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| MJST wrote: | | Really wish this kind of faith in him had been spout before George said no, back when everyone was screaming to trade Ingram for the still injured Kawhi for the past week and a half. |
this. and it wasnt just Ingram, but Kuzma + picks as well, while we would waive Randle. thats how much people here valued them
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Really wish this kind of faith in him had been spout before George said no, back when everyone was screaming to trade Ingram for the still injured Kawhi for the past week and a half. |
this. and it wasnt just Ingram, but Kuzma + picks as well, while we would waive Randle. thats how much people here valued them |
It says something that we reluctantly were willing to give up BI for Kawhi, but wouldn't entertain giving up BI for PG. |
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| trablos wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Really wish this kind of faith in him had been spout before George said no, back when everyone was screaming to trade Ingram for the still injured Kawhi for the past week and a half. |
this. and it wasnt just Ingram, but Kuzma + picks as well, while we would waive Randle. thats how much people here valued them |
It says something that we reluctantly were willing to give up BI for Kawhi, but wouldn't entertain giving up BI for PG. |
I wouldn't even give up Kuz for PG straight up, so it makes sense to me. |
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| lakers4life78 wrote: | I'm sorry someone actually made an argument we should have traded Ingram for George last year because we didn't sign him as an UFA?
Good way to destroy your franchise. |
Cough VLF |
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The Lakers are probably approaching kawhi trade talks like the Sixers probably are - by telling the Spurs that the entire roster is available with a few exceptions. And I imagine that Ingram would be one of those exceptions.
If so (and it's all conjecture on my part) ... it's probably likely that SA would say "but Ingram isn't anywhere close to the level of Embiid or Simmons. So we would need BI plus a few other assets." But the Lakers should hold firm, because I think once the season starts, BI will start to show how valuable he really is. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | Brandon Ingram 2nd year vs. Paul George 2nd year
Ingram 16.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 3.9 APG 0.8 STL 0.7 BLK
George 12.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 2.4 APG 1.6 STL 0.6 BLK
Wow... inconceivable that BI can ever be as good as PG...
If you go by age... the difference in BI's favor is even more pronounced. |
The problem with this sort of argument is that it implicitly assumes that, because one player blossomed, another player will do the same thing. In fact, we could probably find players who were equal to or better than Ingram at the same point, but who never blossomed or even regressed. For example:
Try this one — Ingram vs. Andrew Wiggins
Or this one — Ingram vs. Marvin Williams
So far, Ingram has been sort of the midpoint between Wiggins and Williams. Williams never got close to his ceiling, and Wiggins does not look like he will get there, either. We know Ingram has a high ceiling. The question is whether he will get there, or even close. |
Ingram looks like a better playmaker then both of those guys. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | Brandon Ingram 2nd year vs. Paul George 2nd year
Ingram 16.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 3.9 APG 0.8 STL 0.7 BLK
George 12.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 2.4 APG 1.6 STL 0.6 BLK
Wow... inconceivable that BI can ever be as good as PG...
If you go by age... the difference in BI's favor is even more pronounced. |
BPM, DBPM, VROP, and WS tell a different story. Hopefully, Ingram can make a nice leap this coming season, though. We forget how young he is.
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| If the Spurs thought like you then we'd have introduced Kawhi Leonard as a Laker last week. |
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LuciusAllen
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| Fastbreak32 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | Brandon Ingram 2nd year vs. Paul George 2nd year
Ingram 16.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 3.9 APG 0.8 STL 0.7 BLK
George 12.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 2.4 APG 1.6 STL 0.6 BLK
Wow... inconceivable that BI can ever be as good as PG...
If you go by age... the difference in BI's favor is even more pronounced. |
BPM, DBPM, VROP, and WS tell a different story. Hopefully, Ingram can make a nice leap this coming season, though. We forget how young he is. |
BI was younger than PG during their 2nd seasons. |
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